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Patriot Act to be Expanded

m4dm4n writes "It seems that the patriot act is being expanded rather than scaled back after a vote late Tuesday by the Senate Intelligence committee. The FBI has gained new powers to demand documents from companies without a judge's approval, as well as the ability to designate subpoenas as secret and punish disclosure of their existence with up to one year in prison."

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  1. Anyone get the feeling... by ForestGrump · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anyone get the feeling we're becoming more and more of a police state?

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    Is it true that more people vote for the winner of American Idol, than vote for the president? -Ali G.
    1. Re:Anyone get the feeling... by CleverNickedName · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Right, cause there aren't any countries like North Korea that would be closer to the true definition of a police state...
      I don't like the Patriot Act either, but we aren't to the point where we have to fear being killed for critizing our leadership or laws either.


      If your definition of freedom is not having to "fear being killed" by the people who are supposed to be looking out for you, then you deserve what you get.

      I'm also amazed by people who use the argument "at least we're better off than ". That belief will keep you in line right up until America is the most abusive, corrupt, damning country in the world.

      You really do deserve the rights we Europeans take for granted. Unfortunately you now need to fight for these.

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      Unfortunately, I am not Wil Wheaton
    2. Re:Anyone get the feeling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How many people have you heard that wouldn't even think of voting for a 3rd party candidate, because it was wasting a vote? In a land of 300 million, people have a hard time believing that their one small voice matters. They need a way to realize that there are more out there that think the same, and if they get together, they can be a large voice.

      Unfortunately in America that's not really true because of the electoral college voting system. Unless you can turn enough people to flip the state majority from one party to another, then you have made NO difference. As far as voting goes, America is the least democratic of any election holding country in the world.

      The electoral college system provides a sham decocracy that keeps the majority dumb "we're living in utopia" Americans happy with the fig-leaf appearance they're living in a democracy, while being able to ignore all votes except those from a handful of swing states where it can easliy be controlled.

    3. Re:Anyone get the feeling... by cold+wolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why don't we form a Slashdot Organization, and bring the /. effect to the US government? We rank in the hundreds of thousands, so if we create a community that is unified by one simple concept, even a whisper from us would deafen the politicos.

      Slashdot admins, please consider this request. Form a politically active branch of /. that acts in the best interest of all technology advocates.

      Or will you sit back, content with being another Anonymous Coward...

    4. Re:Anyone get the feeling... by zmooc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You may be right that the situation in e.g. North Korea or China is be a lot worse, but those countries don't claim to be the land of the free and we basicly expect them to be like that. We call those states dictatorships rather than police states.

      The USA on the other hand is a democratic country in which freedom has always been a very important thing, a country that has always been trying to expand this freedom to the rest of the world and a country that has always had a large influence on the rest of the world. To see the freedom in this country - of all countries - deterioate this rapidly, is a lot more scary to the rest of the world than the situation in non-democratic and not really that influential countries like China or North Korea.

      It's especially this influence the USA has on the rest of the world that makes this scary; think about the situation around DeCSS, the new German passport that has to contain RFID chips in order to get into the USA, requiring armed US air-marshalls on airplanes while the international agreement is: no guns in planes, invading iraq based on false claims about WMD etc. etc.

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  2. Re:America's been through worse and survived by szaz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Iran! Are you mad! As a former member of Tehran's expatriot community I can say the Iran was - about 6 years ago - a more liberal, tolerant place then the US is now. Iran had no fundamentalists in government - UNTIL the US started threatening it, then the people got scared, voted for fundamentalists who promised to wage war, and now - whilst being far from a fundamentalist state, it is not what it used to be. The average American really should be given lessons in International History

  3. This is why I joined the Free State Project by Seth+Cohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As the federal system gets more and more police state like, I want neighbors who are like minded.
    Here in New Hampshire, even with just over a hundred people moved, we're already making a difference.

    Put aside your preconceptions about New Hampshire (it's not THAT cold, people), about Libertarians (We're a wide mix of positions, from very moderate to extreme), about politics (NH's system is amazingly and uniquely open, and forget 20K, just a few thousand activists could make a huge difference here), and most of all, about liberty and freedom (What are you going to tell your children about what you did when they took your rights away bit by bit?)

    Check out the Free State Project now... we don't need 20K activists to move to make a difference, we just need you.

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  4. One small problem ... by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... they won't let you leave from the big house with bars.

    You might be well advised to find a better government sooner rather than later should you do so at all. As a citizen of another country with an arguably "better government" (Australia) I'd like to point out that (a) we're trying as hard as we can to be as stupid as America, and (b) Please, please, please put your vote to stopping this stupidity at it's source instead. If all the sane, smart Americans leave we're all f**ed.

  5. On the other hand... by metamatic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, on the other hand...

    - The UK has a network of surveillance cameras that America's authoritarians can only dream about.

    - The UK just had an election in which electoral fraud is strongly suspected, because the postal vote system was left open to abuse.

    - In 2001 the Home Secretary described civil liberties as an "airy fairy" concern.

    - The RIP Act makes routine surveillance of ordinary citizens a reality. It goes even further than the PATRIOT act, in that it requires ISPs to develop and install monitoring software at their expense, and makes it a criminal offense to refuse to incriminate yourself by handing over your encryption keys on demand. Oh, and it also makes it an offense to tell anyone you're being investigated or that you have been forced to hand over your keys, so much for freedom of speech.

    - The UK also amended the law in the 90s so that refusing to incriminate yourself could be used as evidence against you in court--i.e. there is no "right to silence".

    - The current government is set on introducing a mandatory identity card with biometric features.

    - The UK Official Secrets act allows people to be put on trial for crimes against the state, without being told what they actually did. (i.e. the evidence against them can be ruled secret under the act).

    - Even though the ruling party deliberately lied to the country to support a war on Iraq, they were still voted back in with a huge majority--just like the situation in the US.

    - The Criminal Justice Act of 2003 suspended the right to trial by jury, and suspended the "double jeopardy" limits, allowing the state to continue to harass people indefinitely.

    - The new Home Secretary is now trying to undermine the right to a fair trial.

    - The UK government handed over power over intellectual property legislation to the WTO, just like America did. Tough luck if you don't like software patents; the government doesn't have the power to decide not to allow them, because of the GATT TRIPS treaties signed in the 90s. (Signed even though many of us wrote letters to politicians, protested, etc.)

    One of the reasons I left the UK is because the country is so damn complacent. For some reason, UK citizens don't care about the UK's lurch towards fascism; they're too busy looking at America and feeling smug. At least Americans seem to be aware of, and care about, their country becoming a fascist state, even if they are powerless to stop it.

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    GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
  6. Re:WWII Generation (was: My new empire!) by makohund · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes, Yoda got that right. And it reminds me of another teaching, from another world, that actually tells you how to deal with it:

    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.

    I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.

    Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    --Bene Gesserit Litany against Fear