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Books in Beta Form

congaflum writes "The Pragmatic Bookshelf recently released the second beta of their upcoming book Agile Web Development with Rails. By releasing the book to the public in beta form, the authors are able to gather feedback about the books content from a larger audience that would normally be the case. Readers get to influence the direction on the books content by posting feedback to the publisher's website. And of course there's the benefit of simply getting to read the book early. Could beta-version books be a sign of future changes in the commercial publishing industry? And with the availability of things like print on demand these days, how about books that are much more frequently revised (why buy a year-old Edition 1 of something, if you can have Edition 1.1.18?)"

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  1. Star Wars Beta? by fembots · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe Star Wars should be released in beta? This way nobody can really argue who shot first.

    For a guide/manual book, beta is probably a good idea because the ultimate goal is for readers to make use of the book easily.

    For a story book, instead of releasing beta of a pseudo-complete book, author should release it chapter by chapter, and change the story direction based on reader feedback, in another word, Plot-Beta rather than Writing-Beta.

    1. Re:Star Wars Beta? by yotto · · Score: 3, Informative

      I like that idea. I post all of my fiction online for free to anybody who can figure out how to ask me for the password (password protected = not published, if you must know. That's important when talking to a publisher) and most of my writings I consider to be "beta" versions of the books/stories. They're beta until someone buys them. Until then, I take all feedback I get and use it to make the story better.
      It's worked for me so far (though I haven't sold anything, I've gotten better feedback after incorporating others' suggestions) and it feels good to "give away" fiction in this way but still maintain the ability to publish if a publisher ever shows an interest.

    2. Re:Star Wars Beta? by Cruciform · · Score: 4, Funny

      That would be a logistical nightmare. Especially for someone writing for the geek crowd.

      "Can you add more swordfights? And sex?"

      "I want a unicorn! And a really hot naked chick! and sex!"

      "I want a hot chick that gets into swordfights and when she's done, has sex with a unicorn! Oh, and could you throw in a star destroyer too?"

    3. Re:Star Wars Beta? by Ambush+Commander · · Score: 3, Interesting
      For a story book, instead of releasing beta of a pseudo-complete book, author should release it chapter by chapter, and change the story direction based on reader feedback, in another word, Plot-Beta rather than Writing-Beta.
      That would be a disaster. ;-) Seriously, though, a lot of the time, the criteria for getting a book published simply is whether or not it's finished or not. Young, struggling writer = Unfinished Novels. Lots of them. Old, struggling writers = Finished Novels that sold about 100 copies. Let's not change the problem.
    4. Re:Star Wars Beta? by globalar · · Score: 2, Informative

      "For a story book, instead of releasing beta of a pseudo-complete book, author should release it chapter by chapter..."

      Charles Dickens released novels (like "A Tale of Two Cities") in a chapter-by-chapter format monthly or weekly. It's obvious to see how this diverted the story's chapters into episodes, often with cliffhangers at the end. Dickens was able to gauge public opinion and take reader feedback to adjust the story as needed, probably greatly contributing to his success.

    5. Re:Star Wars Beta? by Big+Sean+O · · Score: 2, Informative

      It also made some of his novels (I'm thinking David Copperfield) go on and on and on an ON. Also, there's the 'dropped thread'. In one book (I forget which) there was a lady who was a 'little person'. Her thread gets dropped somewhere in the middle of the story. She makes a perfunctory appearance in one of the final chapters, as if Dickens says "Oops, forgot about the midget".

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  2. Post-Publish Fate by BlogPope · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What happens to that book content once the book is published? Will it still be available? Seems odd

    On the plus side I wouldn't mind seeing an "updates" site where the author could publish tech corrections, version updates, etc.

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    1. Re:Post-Publish Fate by joeljkp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's an idea for a wiki if someone wants to implement it:

      ErrataWiki, or maybe WikiFixes

      Search by title, author, ISBN, get book errata and corrections listed by edition, and tagged with any official confirmation

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    2. Re:Post-Publish Fate by Marillion · · Score: 2, Informative
      It's iterative book development. And since iterations is an agile development philosophy, what better context.

      I've bought this book. More to the point, I have the current Beta. The authors have sent e-mails as the book gets updated. I had two ways I could by the book: 1) Dead tree + PDF, or 2) PDF only. I went with #1 since there's nothing like being able to touch it. The PDF's are slightly different that the printed version - The one I bought was watermarked with my name. They're hyperlinked and maximize the PDF format. The printed version won't and can't support hyperlinking. Once published I get to keep both, for the benefits each format brings.

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  3. First Post (beta 0.8b) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Please give feedback on the quality of this post.

    1. Re:First Post (beta 0.8b) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Title incorrect, should be Third Post (beta 0.8.1b)

    2. Re:First Post (beta 0.8b) by NotoriousQ · · Score: 4, Funny

      Although your post uses the correct grammar, the idea has been explored multiple times. You should revise your thesis, and post it again in the next thread.

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  4. They probably thought about it long and hard by 3770 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With people having the electronic format available there's a few factors to consider:

    1) There will be more word of mouth, so more people will hear about it
    2) Some people will buy it because they read some of it and like the content but prefer the format of the book (so that they can read it in the bathroom maybe, what do i know).
    3) Some people will read it and decide that they either don't like it, or that they are satisfied with just having the book in its electronic format.

    What the publisher in this case is that item 1 and 2 will add more buyers than item 3 will cost them.

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  5. Paranoid College $tudent by richdun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, this may just be the paranoid college student in me, but why do I see this being taken advantage of for textbooks? It's bad enough they release a new version just when you're finally ready to sell the book back to your campus bookstore, but updating possibly even quicker, new editions may keep coming out mid-course.

    If they only make you pay once for the beta and for the full version when it is ready, as this one appears to work, that's okay I guess, but this could get way out of hand.

    1. Re:Paranoid College $tudent by trigeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This sounds like they are trying to get us to do their editing and fact-checking for them to save them money. Considering the general quality of commercial software out there, why would the publishing industry want to replicate their(honestly, our) methods?

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  6. Chapter by chapter by cytoman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    More efficient would be to release each chapter as and when it becomes beta-ready. If the publisher is greedy, then the chapters can come with some sort of expiry date so that the whole book cannot be assembled by the chapter collectors.

    I'm just thinking like a publisher here... personally, I would want no kind of DRM or expiry date or any such crap on these things.

  7. Buying newer versions by dcclark · · Score: 2, Interesting

    (why buy a year-old Edition 1 of something, if you can have Edition 1.1.18?)

    Easy. Because I need the information NOW. Because I want the physical copy that I can grab off a shelf any time I need it. Because there will always be a newer version coming out, and if I really need the book, I have to get it eventually.

    Perhaps this trend will encourage people to be a bit more conservative about actually buying a book, but people who need a book will still buy it when they need it. Of course, this begs questions like... will we eventually get the x.0.1 updates for free somehow? Will publishing ever expand to such an extreme anyhow?

  8. I dont know by hobotron · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As weird as it sounds, a publicly moderated "bugtraq" forum for a new book would be highly interactive and interesting.
    I am also wondering what happens in the long run? Would the authors' individuality be hopelessly spoiled by people camping (and/or some version of bot/scripting), or even just the will of the masses ruining the personal touch of one author?
    Where would it end?

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  9. Art By Committee by EraseEraseMe · · Score: 2, Insightful


    What a grand idea. Let's dumb-down, mollify, coddle and all-around temper any possibility of having something 'different' and instead replace it with the infamous 'too many cooks' defense.

    Honestly, how many books have you read, written by a committee, were worthy of the time spent reading them? Or movie-scripts written by 4 or more people?

    I have nothing against collaboration, but let's be honest; it's easier for one person to innovate than it is for ten people to integrate.

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  10. Real time books: "Livebook" from Sourcebeat by rmerrill11 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Are you familiar with Sourcebeat? They provide a "12-month book subscription" for open-source related technical manuals. From the site:
    "At SourceBeat, we believe the traditional publishing model does not work in rapidly changing environments such as open source software. Traditional books take too long to go from author to bookshelf, and many times the books are outdated soon after release. Until now. SourceBeat is the first publisher to create always updated open source technology books, written by expert authors such as James Goodwill, Bill Dudney, Matt Raible and many others. Utilizing our "LiveBook(TM)" process, readers and subscribers are always sure of getting the most current information on each open source project.

    How it works differently than the traditional publishing model is that instead of buying a static book, readers subscribe to a particular book for 12 months. The expert authors provide updates on their respective topics, ensuring the most relevant and current information on a project. No more buying multiple books on the same topic in order to cover the areas you need. In addition, as a subscriber you can interact with the author through list servers and weblogs. This way you can let them know your thoughts on current items and also what you would like to see in future updates."

    Seems like a good model - I am planning on subscribing to Plone Live myself.

  11. Re:FYI by scottdelap · · Score: 2, Informative

    SourceBeat has been offering "subscription" based eBooks for a while now. My book Desktop Java Live just had its first release published through them. The books are updated often to keep up with changes in open source content. SourceBeat also supports print on demand so ordering a print copy generates the latest version available. This gives readers the best of both worlds regardless of whether they pick the eBook or the print version.

  12. Re:An old idea by macaulay805 · · Score: 2, Funny

    This seems a lot like what they did in the 17th cent. with the passing around of manuscripts before publishing--- just an observation.

    I knew that /. was bad about posting dupes, but this is just getting out of hand ...

  13. Counterpoint by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 3, Interesting
    You make a valid point, but mostly when a committee actually tries to sit down and write something. In contrast, soliciting feedback is an author's best friend. The readers of the author's work give comments that might not be valid, but they just might be. Grammatical errors are found, or changes in tone, or just hard to read sections. All of this is very valuable, and the reason editors exist.

    This is a way of open-sourcing, so to speak, the editorial process. And as long as the author has final say ("What? That's a stupid suggestion!") it can still read as one person's voice, but a voice that has been refined by many eyes to eliminate the inevitable mistakes.

  14. It's not just POD--it's publishing in general by Jeff+Duntemann · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not just that POD sucks. This is actually a *lousy* time to be writing technical books for publication on paper. I've written a raft of them in the past 20 years and have seen some rich and lean times, but these are the worst. The major book chains are relentlessly reducing the sizes of their computer book sections, meaning that they will buy fewer copies of fewer titles, which means that publishers will be choosing fewer titles from fewer authors, and will give less money to the authors they choose--who will tend *not* to be first-timers.

    Basically, the computer book industry is moving from the anomaly of the 1990s, when anybody could get a computer book published (talent optional) to the place where SF and most other categories are now: You'd better have a major reputation forged elsewhere (magazines, online forums, university research, successful startup, etc.) that spills over into computer books, or nobody's going to return your phone calls. The walls between book categories are high: Even though I've sold a quarter million computer books, I can't get anybody to even look at my SF novel.

    It's relatively easy to establish your own press based on POD technology, and it will get easier in the future. If you know how to reach your audience, you can sell direct and make money on relatively few books, perhaps more money than you could make as a new author with a conventional publisher. There's research and work involved but others have done it, and if your topic is narrow enough it may be the only route to take near-term. (2-5 years.)

    Good luck and don't give up.

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    --Jeff Duntemann