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Homebrew Air Conditioning for Under $25

inkey string writes "Summer has arrived, and I've been busy slowly overheating in my student house without central air. I decided to put my thermodynamics classes to work however, and produced this ~24$ homebrew air conditioner. It'll cool a room to a comfortable level in 15-20 mins, and will run for a few hours on a garbage pail full of water. It's cheap, environmentally friendly (just fire the waste water off to your garden), and makes a good one hour project for a quiet evening."

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  1. Its going to be hot soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hope his server isn't in his room, because all the thermodynamics courses in the world wont teach you about slashdotting.

    1. Re:Its going to be hot soon by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >> I hope his server isn't in his room

      It's actually a University of Waterloo server. I'm sure the sysadmin is gonna love this sudden DDOS.

    2. Re:Its going to be hot soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      This article is so ignorant I almost took the time to create a Slashdot account to complain about it.

    3. Re:Its going to be hot soon by Kujila · · Score: 4, Funny

      How can this story be slashdot-worthy if the fan isn't even running Linux!

  2. And you can place it... by peter_gzowski · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...right next to your webserver.

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    1. Re:And you can place it... by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
      > ...right next to your webserver.

      By placing the garbage pail full of water in your garden, you ensure that within five minutes of the link going live on Slashdot, you'll have several gallons of piping-hot vegetable soup!

  3. Air Conditioning for $1500/month by Geekboy(Wizard) · · Score: 4, Funny

    Move to San Francisco.

    Today it hit 70F, and the news stations are talking about "the heatwave of 2005".

    1. Re:Air Conditioning for $1500/month by failure-man · · Score: 5, Funny

      Whiny bastard Californians . . . .

      I repeat my assertion that since 31 Octobher, 1995 (the last Oingo Boingo show) the state has had no redeeming value.

    2. Re:Air Conditioning for $1500/month by kfg · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mark Twain once famously noted that the worst winter he ever spent was his summer in San Francisco.

      KFG

    3. Re:Air Conditioning for $1500/month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I repeat my assertion that since 31 Octobher, 1995 (the last Oingo Boingo show) the state has had no redeeming value.

      Hey! California has amazing redeeming value. Without it, all those idiots would be living with the rest of us!

    4. Re:Air Conditioning for $1500/month by matthewn · · Score: 3, Informative
      Mark Twain once famously noted that the worst winter he ever spent was his summer in San Francisco.
      No. No he did not.
    5. Re:Air Conditioning for $1500/month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You misspelled Texas

    6. Re:Air Conditioning for $1500/month by kfg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      San Francisco, Paris, whatever. :)

      Ah well, if you aren't lucky you learn something new every day.

      I'll make two notes though, Twain was a public speaker, and just because this particular witticism can't be found in his writtings is not actually an indication that he didn't say, and even orginate, the quote, it simply means it can be proven from the written record. There is such a thing as oral history. Many things I have orginated and said are not recorded in print, despite my post count, and the printed version of not a few things has been lost even to myself.

      The second note though is my observation (and I believe that of others before me) that sooner or later every American will attribute every witticism to Twain, especially as he often used the witticisms of others, often without direct attribution since the people of his time were well aware of their actual origin.

      KFG

    7. Re:Air Conditioning for $1500/month by lostchicken · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shit. As a native Texan living in California, I feel I must object to one of these insults. Unfortunately, I can't quite decide which one isn't true...

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  4. Minor nit by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just great, assuming you have an infinite supply of free ice water. Add teh cost of the ice machine, and it costs a bit more than $24.

    1. Re:Minor nit by LurkerXXX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why you can get the ice out of the freezer/refrigerator in your kitchen. It just costs a little electricity to make. It makes it by using a condensing coil to use a gas medium to pump heat from the freezer are to coils on the back of the fridge which... then heats the room you are trying to cool. DOH!

    2. Re:Minor nit by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny
      It's not a minor nit-pick. Its a major flaw. His setup is so much more inefficient than even a cheap ($100) AC.

      If he wants to be cheap, why not just take an old fridge ($20), remove the doors, and use the fridge to block the door to his room? Leave the coils facing out into the hallway, and his room becomes cooler - plus the light will always be on, so he can see wtf he's doing.

    3. Re:Minor nit by racermd · · Score: 4, Informative

      I hit this through the mirrordot link from above...

      This is exactly how a good thermal heat-pump operates. However, a few "upgrades" would make this perfectly viable for a home of 1500+ sq. feet.

      1: Make it a closed-loop system, or even a dual-loop system.
      2: Use a good radiator and heat-block. Think of a water-cooling rig on a PC, but in reverse and a much larger scale.
      3: Use the earth, itself, as both the source and destination of heat.

      Most people that have done this for their homes use the earth as a natural heat sink. If it's new construction, they typically dig shallow, but wide. In a retro-fit, they'll drill deep and narrow. Either way, the earth holds a pretty steady temperature below 6-8 feet or so. All that's needed is a way to put heat into it when you want to cool off and a way to get heat out of it when you want to warm up.

      This way, all that you spend money on is the electricity to pump the heat-carrying fluid/gas/whatever into and out of the tubes in the ground. If that isn't enough, a small furnace and/or A/C unit can supplement, if need be. Either way, the energy consumed from the utility companies is a fraction of "normal".

      I have plans to build a new home in the next 3-5 years, and I'm looking at all sorts of alternatives to just about everything that consumes energy in a home.

      1: Geothermal heat pump(s) for climate-control.
      2: On-Demand, CNG water heater (i.e.: no tank to keep warm)
      3: Solar-powered radiant heat (suplements forced-air from #1)
      4: On-Demand lighting (sensors that detect room occupancy)

      I'm missing a number of other things I could do, but the goal is to have a home with all sorts of modern conveniences while trying to reduce the energy usage associated with most of them. It's tempting to add a water-cooling loop to the climate-control system for the comptuers. They're already producing heat, so why not just send it directly to it's destination and avoid that pesky conversion to heated air?

      Getting back on-topic, this guy hasn't done anything new. In fact, it's rather wasteful to just use a coil of copper tubing tied to the back of a fan. The fact that he's using ice water (as mentioned in other posts) does nothing to save energy costs. After all, he's got to power a freezer to make the ice to begin with, which offsets most of the savings. Never mind that the heat from the water (plus the heat from the machine, itself) went into the living space that he's trying to cool.

      And that he's a student, and *probably* not paying for much, if any, of his utility costs. But I digress...

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    4. Re:Minor nit by LurkerXXX · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yeah, that +5 must burn your ass. Tsk tsk.

      The work has been shown multiple times in the various threads, but since you seem to be slow to catch on...

      Starting state:

      1) Room: temperature x (warm)
      2) Water: temperature y (also ~room temp)

      Net heat: x + y

      Step 1:

      Water gets put in fridge. Heat is pumped from water to room.

      Result from Step 1:

      Call the change of heat in the water z.

      (Water gets colder. Room gets hotter. Even heat levels from that part.)

      Inefficiency in the fridge adds net heat to room.

      The inefficiency heat is i.

      Net heat = (x + z) + (y - z) + i = x + z + i

      Net Result: increased temperature from inefficiency.

      Step 2:

      Cold water from fridge is used to run through piping/fan to cool room. It's not done by swamp or other methods. The only thing going on is the warm air is blown past the tube of cool water, bringing the temperature of the room down, and the temperature of the water up. (The water doesn't go through any phase changes through the tubing or anything; it's simply equalizing the temperature)

      Result from Step 2:

      Heat n is transferred from the air to the water.

      Room is warm and so is the water once again around room temp (going out the window now).

      Heat m is added from the inefficiency of the fan.

      (x + z - n) + (y - z + n ) + i + m

      Net Result: (original heat)+ (excess heat)

      x + y + i + m

      We started with x + y. Now we have x + y + i + m.
      Seeing the problem yet?

      The water going through the tubing is *not* superheated. It's not warmer than the room air. At the very best it's the same temp as the room. That's if he gets complete transfer. No net heat is removed. It's added.

      Water y gets dumped out the window. What are you left with? x ++

      Please show your math for your strange theory that makes this perpetual motion machine work, and show how the water in the tube is well above room temperature in order to decrease the net temperature of the room.



      And thanks for playing.

  5. MirrorDot by eric434 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Next up, a $24 watercooling rig for his web server.

    http://www.mirrordot.org/stories/5cb66a4a72a5269bc 29e9dd8f982b3da/index.html

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  6. Coral Cache by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.eng.uwaterloo.ca.nyud.net:8090/~gmilbur n/ac/

    Will someone edit the submission to replace the URL, please? Sheesh.

  7. Congrats on making your PH.d. pay for itself! by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But sadly this isnt that revolutionary, nor is it very 'green'. It takes a cold source of water to work, and if you have none in your area (tap water wont cut it unless you happen to get fed from a pipe running through a glacier) you have to get cold media from your local refridgerator/freezer. Why not instead rig a direct cycle through your cooling appliance of choice to offer a small, localized cooling effect? It also wouldn't waste water. Just remember, don't try to cool the room with the freezer in it.

  8. Canada by Geekboy(Wizard) · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dude, you're in Canada. Open the window.

    Now you just have to figure out how to keep the snow off of the carpet.

    1. Re:Canada by RobinH · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dude, I'm in Canada... was 92 fahrenheit here on the weekend. Plus humidex.

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    2. Re:Canada by Quasar1999 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's currently 28 degrees outside... check for yourself (http://weather.uwaterloo.ca/), if you can make snow at that temperature, I'd be impressed.

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    3. Re:Canada by caferace · · Score: 3, Funny
      We make snow at 28 degrees all the time.

      Where did you say you were from again?

    4. Re:Canada by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 3, Informative

      >> 92 fahrenheit here on the weekend.

      weekend? Ontario's been a rotten b*stard for the last week - 30 Celsius + humidity every day.

      I'm sitting between two fans, beer in hand, AC cranked. My effing hydro bill is going to make me cry...

  9. Environmentally friendly? by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's cheap, environmentally friendly (just fire the waste water off to your garden)
    So, if it is environmentally friendly, just where did the "ice water" come from?

    Unless you have a solar or wind-powered refrigerator, I suspect that the overall system is not actually all that environmentally friendly. What is the energy efficiency of the system?

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    1. Re:Environmentally friendly? by LurkerXXX · · Score: 3, Funny
      So, if it is environmentally friendly, just where did the "ice water" come from?

      Ice Pixies magic it up, so he doesn't have to run a refridgerator/freezer to make the ice. Because, you know, those actually produce heat inside the house, which he is trying to get rid of... Pixies. Yeah, that's it.

  10. No, it isn't by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 4, Informative

    A swamp cooler pulls the air through the actual water. It uses evaporation for the cooling effect. That's rather different than this, which is just a crude radiator. effect.

  11. Beer by supe · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think that his garbage can full of ice water should at least have a few cold beers. I mean really, he's in college!

  12. Congratulations by overshoot · · Score: 5, Informative
    At first I thought you'd reinvented the swamp cooler. On RTFL, however, I find that you've actually reinvented the 18th-century icehouse cooler, which is notably less efficient (like, where does the heat from the icemaker go?)

    It didn't seem all that likely that most /.ers would care about evaporative cooling, since even in Arizona they only work part of the year (like now, although today the Phoenix dew point got up to 10C. I woke up just knowing it had gone up because the cooler was blowing full speed and it still wasn't all that cool.) Never mind next month when the monsoons start. AC time then for sure.

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  13. mirrordot by kryogen1x · · Score: 5, Informative
  14. thermodynamics? by csimicah · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wait... this retard thinks that using his fridge, inside his house, to produce ice... then cooling with the ice... is going to make his house cooler? He could accomplish the exact same thing by just opening his freezer door, right? I hope this kid's Thermo professor sees this and kicks him out of school.

    1. Re:thermodynamics? by PondScum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The goal was cooling a room.

      While I agree that there are far more elegant ways to do this, You can still cool a room this way and not disobey the laws of Thermodynamics.

      The heat generated by the Fridge stays in the Kitchen. Close the door and now you have effectively transfered heat from the cool room (bedroom or livingroom) to the kitchen. It is now far easier to relax.

      Think it through before calling someone a moron.

  15. hmmmm.... by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    #1 you can buy a bag of ice at the gas station/convenience store, not free but then neither is the electricity to run your freezer.

    #2 even if you used the house freezer, you shut the door and basically you're pumping heat away from the bedroom into the kitchen, obviously you won't get huge temperature differentials, but 5-6C feels very noticeable when you're trying to fall asleep and it's too hot to do so.

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  16. Good show, but not a great idea... by benjamindees · · Score: 4, Informative

    Other than the obvious ingenuity involved in the creation of this device, the reason things like this don't exist in the real world is that they're hardly efficient. And comparing the purchase price instead of the operating costs of such a device is a sure sign you're missing something.

    Air conditioners are unbelievably cheap and unbelievably efficient nowadays.

    As others have said, this setup has all sorts of problems, from a reliance upon a source of ice that may very well be dumping more heat into the local environment than it saves, to wasting water.

    Though this system doesn't use a pump, a recirculating system with a small electric pump could end up creating more heat than it saves.

    If you're really bent upon saving energy in a cost-effective fashion, adding insulation is almost always efficient. Good blinds on the windows are also a great investment.

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  17. addressing all the flames/legitimate concerns... by inkey+string · · Score: 5, Informative

    number one, yes i realise that in a closed system freezing ice to cool yourself off is foolish. this is why i make ice in the kitchen, and cool my room off at night.

    which addresses the why no recirculation/you need an infinite supply of ice criticisms. this was designed to cool me off before bed, so i could fall asleep without wanting to kill myself. once the bucket runs out of water/ice, it just becomes a regular fan which is fine once the house cools off in the wee hours. plus i dont have to worry about knocking anything over in a morning daze.

    ive rigged it up to a slowly flowing garden hose which will keep things cool indefinitely, but i find it easier and a bit cooler to just pick up a big bag of ice and dump it in when it gets really hot.

    anyways, take it or leave it. and to the graduating chemmie that said he was ashamed to call me a student - come visit me at my office by the weef lab (e2-1311), im sure i can address any of your concerns to my satisfaction.

  18. costs by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Insightful
    #1 you can buy a bag of ice at the gas station/convenience store, not free but then neither is the electricity to run your freezer.

    The store needs to make a profit on top of the cost of the electricity to maintain the machine, and the ice...

    ...supplied by the ice company which bought the machine, maintains it, and freezes the ice, and trucks it to the store from their "plant"...and make a profit.

    You do realize that 1kW/hr costs about 22 cents, whereas a 20lb bag of ice costs about $5, right?

    You have to move 330J of energy to freeze one gram of water, basically. We'll assume a 50% efficiency here (pretty poor, I believe). A bag of ice, say, 20lb- would need about 3 million joules (watt-seconds), or 6 million watt-seconds of electricity. That's 1662 Watt-hours, roughly.

    Or about 36 cents.

    #2 even if you used the house freezer, you shut the door and basically you're pumping heat away from the bedroom into the kitchen, obviously you won't get huge temperature differentials

    Most refrigerators are virtually incapable of pumping that much heat (there's a reason they're insulated), and furthermore, are designed to work at a temperature range 60-90 degrees cooler than what you're asking of it. Ever noticed that a fridge takes forever to get from room temperature down to operating temperature?

    This idea is so stupid, I can't believe I just wasted 5 minutes on this post. I want that 5 minutes of my life back.

  19. Swamp Coolers... by GI+Jones · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had never heard of a swamp (evaporative) cooler until I moved to AZ. At first, I didn't like the idea of adding a ton of humidity to the air in order to cool some space, but when I bought my first house, I learned that I LOVE swamp coolers.

    Newer homes never have them, but the older house that I bought (built in 1979) had a monster one installed on it. During the early parts of summer (when the humidity is low) I can keep my house at 72 degrees when the outside temp is about 100 and my electricity bill is $65/mo.

    If I ran my AC unit and kept the house equally as cool with it, I would be looking at no less then a $150 in early summer and $200+ as the temp gets into the range of 110+.

    At this point, what I would love is a thermostat that runs both my swamp cooler and AC unit and can determine when to use one versus the other and switch automatically between them. Anybody know of such a device?

    cheers.

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    1. Re:Swamp Coolers... by Tsu+Dho+Nimh · · Score: 3, Informative

      what I would love is a thermostat that runs both my swamp cooler and AC unit and can determine when to use one versus the other and switch automatically between them. Anybody know of such a device? Nope, and you won't find one. It's a fast way to kill your AC.

      I had a tenant who manually switched between AC and evap every day, when we were in one of those "not quite dry enough for evap" months. Her theory was that in the PM, when the RH was low, she could use the evap, then use the AC the rest of the time. Then she called me because the AC was not working.

      The first day or so of an AC switchover from evap is when the AC has to remove all that moisture left by the evap. The tenant had been switching often enough that the humidity removed made a sheet of ice on the coils and the AC died. Because it wasn't cooling rapidly enough, she cranked the T-stat down as low as possible, which made the icing worse. Fortunately, there was no permanent damage ot the AC, but she had to swelter with no cooling until the ice caking the coils melted. She wasn't willing to pay the AC guy his hourly to stand there with a blow dryer and melt yhe ice.

  20. CostCo $50 for 5000 BTU by jbridges · · Score: 4, Informative

    Spend another $26, and buy a real airconditioner for $50 at CostCo.

    It's $99.99 with an instant $50 off rebate at the register.

    Less work too.....

  21. Bend the copper using sand by ishmalius · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know if this guy ever took shop class, but the simple old trick of filling the part of the copper tubing to be bent with sand will help prevent it from collapsing from a too-tight bend.

  22. While the freezer probably isn't the best way... by foxtrot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...to cool a room, as has been noted repeatedly, a few refinements that can be done easily and cheaply:

    1) Get a second trash can. Drain to trash can number 2. This will allow you to save water, plus:

    2) Put salt in the water. The ice and chilled water mixture gets colder with salt.

    You probably don't want to drain salt water to the yard. :)

    You can run from one trash can to the other, then when it's done draining, swap one can for the other and ice down the other can. If you've got some freezer space to dedicate to the project, the bottles of ice are probably an excellent idea-- have a set in the freezer and one in the heat pump.