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Editorial Wiki Debuts At LA Times

jgarzik writes "The L.A. Times newspaper has launched a new form of editorial, the wikitorial. The LA Times editorial staff introduces the new feature in this editorial, and the first wikitorial, War and Consequences , has already been posted. Is this an innovative new way to interact with readers, or will it be constantly defaced by reactionaries?"

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  1. Is this really necessary for news editorials? by rune2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would think that comments to a news editiorial would do pretty much the same thing. What's the benefit of being able to edit someone else's opinion?

    1. Re:Is this really necessary for news editorials? by N3Roaster · · Score: 5, Funny
      What's the benefit of being able to edit someone else's opinion?
      Personally, I would love to be able to edit the opinions of others so long as others don't get to edit mine. Especially useful would be if those changes propagated back to the brain of the original opinion author.
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  2. Only "reactionaries" deface? by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would radicals not also be capable of defacing it? And why use the word "deface" anyway? Are any opposing opinions automatically supposed to be "defacing" it?

    1. Re:Only "reactionaries" deface? by Snarfangel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would radicals not also be capable of defacing it? And why use the word "deface" anyway? Are any opposing opinions automatically supposed to be "defacing" it?

      That's exactly what I wanted to know. It might as well have said "Will this be an effective means to bring the shining light of truth to the unwashed masses, or will the opposing party of darkness be able to subvert it to their own nefarious ends?"

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  3. Wrong question by Psychic+Burrito · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's currently important is not the question of "will it be defaced?", but "will it help removing some of the trenches that are in the US public opinion? Will it add positively to a constructive dialogue between the people?"

    I think that it will not, because the predominant circles active on the internet today fall pretty nicely in line with the LA Times readership, so there are not that many dialogues between the rivaling parties. But add a editorial wiki to a bible belt newspaper, and there will surely be dialogue going on indeed.

    1. Re:Wrong question by jfengel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The world is already full of message boards, and they don't seem to have raised the level of dialogue. Check out slashdot any time a controversial topic is raised, and you'll see the supposedly smarter group of people here ranting like children.

      As far as I can tell, the level of national dialogue has declined at the same rate as communication has improved. I think a few weeks of national time-out, where nobody is allowed to discuss Iraq, abortion, or evolution, are in order.

    2. Re:Wrong question by smart.id · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Look, the world is full of message boards, but it's NOT full of intelligent people. When you overhear two people talking in a restaurant, they're often steadfast on a position they know nothing about, much like the masses you'll find at any message board.

      Don't stereotype Slashdot. The membership consists of people who are barely into middle school and those who have their Ph. Ds, and just about every single person you can think of in between. We are not necessarily a smarter group, but the majority of us may be more knowledgable about certain topics (more specifically, "nerdy" ones.) There is no one particular forum where you will always find an intelligent debate; that quality is determined by firstly if the people debating have any idea what the hell they're talking about, and secondly if they are intelligent enough to express their ideas. The web is teeming with information. Unfortunately, most of it is probably worthless. However, don't become so pessimistic. I don't think that the level of national dialogue has declined. It's probably stayed the same. The internet has just given more ignorant people an easy way to express themselves.

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  4. My Reaction: by The_Wilschon · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm off to go deface it right now!

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  5. It won't work by teslatug · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wikis are good if you're trying to build something that does not contain opinionated material. Or at the very least you want to contain the editors to have pretty similar opinions. If you open it up to the public, there is no way you can come up with a coherent, opinionated view, because by definition people have their own opinions. The Wikipedia works because it has as one of its most fundamental rules the Neutral Point of View. Additionally, it's an effort to build an encyclopedia, which is meant to represent facts as they are. Wikis are also good for building documentation, which is pretty objective in its matter. Wikitorial has none of these qualities.

  6. I Prefer The Paper... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The only difference between the newspaper and the wikitorial is that the parakeet can read and take a dump on the newspaper at the same time. If the parakeet took a dump on my LCD monitor while reading the wikitorial, the cat would have a special treat.

  7. Doesn't seem like the right format by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In using wiki to maintain editorials, the paper is effectively telling the users to alter the content to match their own opinions and beliefs (since that's what most people would tend to do). Digestion of news is usually best done through reading many different opinions, each with an accredited source, to be able to form your own from the information. One 'unified' article in the wiki style doesn't seem to fit with this model, and I'm concious that a lot of people are trying to force wiki's to become the new 'blog' style phenomenon of internet publishing.

    To me, a traditional comments thread would be far more appropriate for news reporting. A clear example of the suitability of these two methods can be seen here on slashdot as using wiki for a substitute to comments.. clearly something that would be cumberous at best, and most likely completely hopeless at effectively digesting stories.

  8. Radical or activist? by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why would radicals not also be capable of defacing it? And why use the word "deface" anyway? Are any opposing opinions automatically supposed to be "defacing" it?

    Yes. Kind of like how a crazy shit who agrees with me is an activist, and a crazy shit who disagrees with me is a radical or extremist.

  9. Bad use of wiki. by ryantate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Newspapers need to embrace the Web, but not like this.

    When we reporters go out and gather information and write a story, there needs to be a way for readers who know the topic to say, "hey, this is wrong," or "hey, you forgot this key point." After all, the reporter is almost always less knowledgable on any given article that he writes than his sources and certain readers.

    I could see a wiki or wiki-like technology being useful in correcting news errors (*cough* avoid jayson blair *cough*) or adding new perspectives (*cough* slashdot writ large *cough*) or even gathering story ideas. What's more, such technology would turn newspaper websites from electronic reprints into something even better than the print edition.

    But an editorial is supposed to be the voice of the newspaper itself. It is supposed to be an opinion with special significance, informed by all the reporting and editing the newspaper does over time, backed by an awesome institutional storehouse of knowledge.

    In short, the whole point of an editorial is that it represents one particular viewpoint, whether you agree with it or not. If the Wall Street Journal as a collective entity repeatedly slams Congressional Republicans for pork-barrel politics and fiscal irresponsibility, as it has in recent weeks, that carries particular weight, because the WSJ backs the Republicans more often than not and because it arguably keeps closer watch on the intersection between the economy and government than anyone else.

    Likewise, there is reason to care when the LA Times forms a new opinion about California government, the entertainment industry or myraid other subjects at which its expertise is authoritative. If you disagree, fine. You can write an op-ed opinion piece, or letter to the editor. You should certainly be empowered to post a comment on the LA Times website or a trackback to your own weblog post.

    But why on earth would I, LA Times reader, want you monkeying with the actual text of the LA Times' editorial? Why would I want to read a version of the editorial you defaced? If I care about your opinion -- maybe you're a film director who disagreed with the LAT on an entertainment industry editorial -- I would much rather read something you wrote from scratch than your own "version" of the LAT editorial.

    This seems misguided and frankly I am baffled why opinion editor Michael Kinsley, who used to helm Slate.com -- does not know better.