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manganese4 writes "They've been discussed before in relation to Google, but the American Chemical Society has launched a new effort against perceived competitors. They are attempting to limit the government's ability to freely publish the results of scientific work paid for by tax dollars. The British journal Nature and the Univeristy of California reports on efforts by the ACS in attempting to shutdown a free database, PubChem, of molecular structures because it competes head to head with the fee-for-service Chemical Abstract Service. Their rationale is that the government should not spend taxpayer dollars on something private business is already doing. Luckily the government has not backed down."

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  1. Re:Private and public are not mutually exclusive by JanneM · · Score: 3, Informative

    I live in Sweden, and here there are laws prohibiting most forms of private healthcare, private transportation, etc.

    Um, I'm Swedish, and that's rather an overstatement. Private health care is certainly allowed - you're not allowed to use your public health insurance for it, though, but have to pay out of your own pocket. Quite different.

    And what kind of private transportation is not allowed?

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  2. Out of context!!! by robotkid · · Score: 5, Informative
    I've been following this debate, alot of high-profile journals are full of opinion articles on this. But here's some context for all those too lazy to RTFA: ACS publishes "SCIFINDER" and "CHEMICAL ABSTRACTS" which is NOT a database of journal papers. It is a database of chemical structures and properties which is invaluable to any research chemist because a) most information on exotic compounds are not published in journals and b) even if they were you'd have a very hard time searching journals for occurences of chemical compounds. (FYI most of this info was probably NOT gained through tax-funded research, it's mostly industrial) Just about every chemistry lab in the nation has to pay a subscription for this service, but it obviously requires many, many curators to keep up to date because of the crazy amount of info out there. ACS is a nonprofit organization and it uses the proceeds to fund things like scientific meetings and putting every journal article from the last 100 years online (they are way ahead of most journals that only have 5 or 10 years online).

    That being said it is strange that they are so vehemently against an NIH database which is primary geared towards biological compounds (i.e. proteins and nucleic acids and derivatives) which is pretty orthogonal to most of the chemical research world. But it would be a gross oversimplification to paint the ACS as an evil money grubbing organization.

    Besides, chemists are rarely evil. Science fiction proves it's always an overweight doctor come-geneticist played by marlon brando that's evil.

  3. Re:Not so fast, Uncle Sam by IronMagnus · · Score: 3, Informative

    I recall a recent story about NOAA data. How Accuweather had some beef with publicly available weather informaiton, which the tax payers had already paid for, because they were trying to sell it.

    I for one do not feel like paying for the same thing twice.

  4. Re:Not so fast, Uncle Sam by tomstdenis · · Score: 4, Informative

    Total BS.

    You do realize that the government gives grants and scholarships to students right?

    I think you have a very naive view of the role of Government. It's not just to play police but also to make sure the various facets of your daily life go smoothly.

    Do you like food that doesn't kill you or drugs that are effective? That's the FDA.

    Do you like knowing you won't be defrauded by huge companies [*] or investment scams? That's SEC.

    Do you like knowing that your kids can go to a school where there are minimal standards that are required to advance? That's another facet of state government.

    Do you like driving on roads with street signs and lights?

    Do you like electricity that follows north american standards?

    Do you like standard cryptography that can protect [**] your banking and medical transactions?

    etc, etc, etc...

    The government has a hand in many aspects of your daily life that you either ignore or didn't know about.

    Yes, all these things could be ran by the CEO of their respective companies. Schools could have their own curriculum and standards. Water plants could have their own levels of "clean enough". etc, etc, etc...

    You vote for your government to represent you on these issues. That's why you have NIST for example.

    In the case of a chemical database there is no reason why a publicly funded org can't do it. If it's the will of the people then so be it.

    Tom

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