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Adopt a [Chinese] Blog

malorkus writes "Here's a great way for bloggers and others with decent web hosting to help fight internet censorship in China and other restrictive countries. Adopt a Chinese Blog aims to match up censored bloggers with volunteer hosts."

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  1. Block by turtled · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wouldn't their government then just block access to certain servers / sites / blogs?

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    1. Re:Block by Crimson+Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but the point of this seems to lie in the fact that enough people doing this will hassle the powers that be and bring attention on a larger scale to the rights violations going on there.

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    2. Re:Block by Raistlin77 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Of course they will.

      I don't understand why these idiots must insist on forcing American values on China. From their main page:

      "It is based on the belief of free speech that we started the Adopt a Chinese blog project."

      When will they realize that there is no free speech in China, and by doing things such as this, they are actually making it WORSE for the Chinese!

    3. Re:Block by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful
      that, plus if they post in chinese and you can't understand it, you may very well be hosting a government "agent provocateur".

      ... or, if they post in english (or ingrish) then they aren't really communicating very effectively with their own countrymen, so it becomes just another political statement w/o much impact.

      IOW, a cute idea, but not very practical or logical. Perhaps we're being trolled?

    4. Re:Block by Raistlin77 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There are no rights violations. It is Chinese law that is, in our opinions, flawed, but what gives you or I the right to say so?

    5. Re:Block by Khuffie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And the US constitution isn't being violated by the Patriot Act?

    6. Re:Block by Ryosen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So what you're saying is like "I enjoy chocolate, I'm just not entitled to it". Being a bit literal, aren't we?

      From dictionary.com:

      Enjoy:
      v. tr.

      1. To receive pleasure or satisfaction from.
      2. To have the use or benefit of: enjoys good health.

      I believe that the intent of the Chinese Constitution is under definition #2.

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    7. Re:Block by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "plus if they post in chinese and you can't understand it, you may very well be hosting a government "agent provocateur"."

      That should be just fine with the adopters. Free speech is free speech. If you start deciding that only certain kinds of speech should be allowed, then your no better than the government censors.

    8. Re:Block by bnenning · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You'll note the suspicious lack of "Freedom of Speech".

      Gosh, and it doesn't say anything about the freedom to eat chocolate either. It does however say "Liberty".

      Something else to note is that the US Constitution went into effect in 1789. Yet the First Ammendment (the right to free speech) was not added until 1791!

      Statist fallacy #43. Neither the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights grants rights to citizens. They grant powers to *government*, and in theory government can act only in accordance with those powers. Sadly, the delineation of certain specific rights had led many people to believe that they have *only* those rights, and government can do anything as long as it doesn't infringe them. Alexander Hamilton warned of this:
      I go further, and affirm that bills of rights, in the sense and in the extent in which they are contended for, are not only unnecessary in the proposed constitution, but would even be dangerous. They would contain various exceptions to powers which are not granted; and on this very account, would afford a colourable pretext to claim more than were granted. For why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do? Why for instance, should it be said, that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained, when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed? I will not contend that such a provision would confer a regulating power; but it is evident that it would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretence for claiming that power. (Alexander Hamilton, Federalist, no. 84, 575-581, 28 May 1788)
      Sadly, he was correct.
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    9. Re:Block by marianne1017 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't say I've read EVERY comment but I've read a lot, and I'm surprised no one yet has quoted John Gilmore: The Internet treats censorship as damage, and routes around it. To me, the Internet isn't owned or controlled by any government or corporation (allowing that the mysterious forces that control ICANN are, well, mysterious; does anyone else remember the NSA conspiracy theories re: DNS control?) - it's possibly the best instance of distributed anarchism that works for good (most of the time) and for ill (some of the time, bearing in mind human nature). I like to hope that if anything can combat totalitarianism, it's the Internet.

  2. Why not? by ch0p · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What's to stop the government from arresting people who are trying to get around their censorship?

  3. Re:What is their major malfunction? by Curtman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Leave China alone for Christ's sake. You're not going to change things, especially if you are NOT IN CHINA!"

    No way. This has gone way too far.

    If there is truth to these accusations that the Chinese government is intimidating citizens of my country in any way for something such as practicing Falun Gong, then we have a serious problem that need s addressing.

    I'm in no way in favour of military action, but this is clearly and act of war on their part if it is true.

  4. Punishment? by OverkillTASF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is there some law in China against circumventing the censorship laws? Like.... What is the potential punishment that you are probably incurring upon whatever China-person you "help out"?

    1. Re:Punishment? by Neurotoxic666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Both persons should agree on something like this:

      1. The blogger (in China) pretends he just sent the content of the blog in a personal email and that

      2. the host published the content of said email without permission.

      IANAL and IANC (Chinese), but this seems to make some sense. This or something similar...

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    2. Re:Punishment? by Nos. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because of course a government that won't respect personal freedoms will certainly respect a technicality.

  5. This sounds like a good idea, BUT... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd be scared shitless to visit China if I let some dissident bloggers use some of my hosting space. The Chinese govt. is probably paranoid enough to start putting together a list of individuals who have helped these "dangerous" individuals.

    Another concern I'd have is that a blogger might have lots of harsh words about some local official, but how do I know it isn't simply slander? And what would my liabilities be in such a case?

  6. Risk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's just a matter of time before Chinese agents sign up for this and starts giving the samaritan nice presents in form of viruses, trojan horses etc.

  7. Re:What is their major malfunction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "If there is truth to these accusations that the Chinese government is intimidating citizens of my country in any way for something such as practicing Falun Gong, then we have a serious problem that need s addressing.

    I'm in no way in favour of military action, but this is clearly and act of war on their part if it is true."

    yet Saddam Hussein can kill 2 million people and almost all here on /. would say we should not have gone to war with Iraq.

    I don't think you are going to get much support for military action on this forum.

  8. Does anyone here appreciate the irony? by tigre · · Score: 5, Insightful

    China is a safe haven for all sorts of internet activity which is illegal and reprehensible here, I guess it's only fair that we return the favor.

    1. Re:Does anyone here appreciate the irony? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Just what is on the Chinese governments mind in allowing the country to be used as a spam/phising haven? Yes, I feel a little guilty about blocking Chinese IP space.

      It's also a shame other countries who have IP addresses assigned to APNIC that they should suffer collateral damage by being firewalled along with Chinese addresses.

  9. Re:Not to rain on your parade but.. by Uruk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nothing really stops them except the filtering that the adoption agency does. Since they're probably not trained in intelligence procedures, I'd guess they can't stop this from happening.

    But if you're Chinese intelligence, the better method is to prevent people from getting to the adoption service in the first place. They don't want to throw people in lonely prisons after they publish damaging things, they want to prevent damaging things from being published. The best way to do that is to use the Great Chinese Internet Filter (AYB) to block the adoption service, and to block known sites that choose to adopt Chinese blogs. It's easier to make the blogger irrelevant or unheard than it is to throw them in prison.

    Things like freenet have been developed to really help the Chinese out in this situation. And this is really sad to say, but true: sometimes you need someone to be made an example of, because it's the recognition of the injustice towards them that spurs others to really consider the issue critically and do something about it, since the same could happen to them.

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  10. At the risk of being off-topic... by bradbury · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This isn't about blogging. Its a somewhat rhetorical, outside-of-the-box question -- "What if the Chinese government is using the right approach?"

    Their economic growth has been much better than ours over the last decade. Their top-down economy can decide to build new nuclear plants when they need them without having to deal with environmentalists interfering for a decade or more. [One of the best prospects for eliminating dependence on foreign oil is relatively cheap electricity combined with hybrid and eventually full electric cars.] They don't have to worry about the "networks" trying to slip "broadcast flag" ammendments onto appropriations bills. Their politicians don't have to worry about catering to the money. Etc.

    In short, is a top-down command controlled political system (and economy) better than a system run by a bunch of special interests elected into place by people who vote based in large part on how someone looks [according to results of a recent scientific study]?

    1. Re:At the risk of being off-topic... by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The democratic or republican forms of government are not designed to be the best form of government: a benevolent, wise, dictator/king is a far better system. What they are designed for is to limit the downside. While a good dictator/king is the probably the best form of government, a bad dictator/king is probably the worst.

      The point of a democratic or representative system is that the worst case is limited, because no one person has the power to totally screw everything up. Presumably, therefore, at least some people will be decent, keeping the system from total failure.

      So, yes, a planned economy can outperform a non planned one, if the planners are very good. A controlled political system can out perform a non planned one, if the planners are good.

      But you have to have good planners. And they have to stay good, and operate in the interest of the system, not themselves.

      An uplanned system, where everyone operates in their own best intrest, works fairly well, and does not depend on finding exeptional people to run it.

      (My personal feeling, by the way, is that their economic growth has been more the result of technology upgrades than anything else. The US/Europe leads the world in productivity-enhancing tech, and a country that can jump a few grades closer to us will grow a lot faster than we will because we have to develop the next steps.)

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    2. Re:At the risk of being off-topic... by ediron2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In short, no.

      Economic growth: growing from zero (china) has a better percentage gain than growth from peak (US). No news here. On the other hand, things that grow quickly have a higher risk. Put another way, a startup grows faster than GE or Microsoft. But they can also overheat/crash/fail for a lot of reasons that won't kill a stable diversified giant corporation.

      Your posting also interchanges economic and political concepts. They're not the same thing, and untangling them is necessary to talk effectively.

      Bottom line: In theory, maximum political efficiency comes from despotic or dictatorial control. In practice, no economically optimized dictatorship has ever existed. To paraphrase Gilmore's law, that's why regulation inevitably creates a black market: capitalism treats control as damage and routes around it.

  11. Going about this assbackwards. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The internet is no longer safe for many of the activities that we once liked. Slapping a band-aid on one little piece of it won't fix the problem, and it can only serve to provoke a crackdown. Does no one remember Tiannamen Square?

    We need a new network. An anonymous one, one where no one can figure out if you are even connected to i, let alone the one that wrote a blog that appears on it. It isn't Freenet. It needs to be IPv4/IPv6 capable... we got rid of all the old layer 3 protocols because nothing less would suffice. It can't be Tor, we got rid of host files, because we want real, human-readable domain names, rye932hj2h3.onion doesn't count. Sadly, everyone seems to have missed out that anonymity isn't some phd-level cryptography puzzle. We have all the software tools we need, off the shelf.

    Take your favorite vpn software, freeswan, openvpn, hell, even pptp. Once you use it to connect to a friend, you have your own (2 host) IP network. It can't be eavesdropped on. But you're not anonymous to that person, you have to know his internet IP, right? So make sure that person is always in another nation than your own. If they wiretap your internet connection, they'll see ipsec packets going to that IP, make sure he is beyond the reach of your law enforcement authorities (and you will also be beyond the reach of his!). Now, if you connect to a second person outside your own country, that person can communicate with your other partner, and they are anonymous for all intents and purposes. They can ping each other, lob UDP packets at each other, any number of things, that we take for granted, each and every day on the internet.

    Still, it's a lame network, with just 3 people. But it can grow. Every person that connects that is willing to set up a router (even a crappy little 486 will do) can invite yet more people. It could scale to thousands of people, tens of thousands. IRC, webpages, email, everything that works here. And at best, you only know the identities of a few people on it, all of whom are safe on the other side of an international border even if you are forced to reveal who they are.

    What keeps you people from doing this? Does it sound to simple to work? Is the end result too polished, you want to spend the next 2 weeks trying to insert a file on freenet? Does openvpn and bgp intimidate you?

    Go on, ignore me. Spend the next 5 years whining about this strategic withdrawal, and that EFF holding action, slashdot.

    Anyone that is interested, reply to this post with a method of contact. Tell a friend (who resides in nation other than your own) about it, get him interested. Everyone who brings in another person gets to connect, no other requirements.

  12. Ah, the irony... by The+Woodworker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've read hundreds of posts on slashdot that were wrongly modded down (censored) as trolls because people didn't like what they had to say, and others modded up as 'insightful' with content like 'MS SUCKS' and nothing else to say. Now this community is bitching about China?!! The looking glass is a mirror.

    BTW, -1 as a troll. To hell with my karma.

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  13. Re:What is their major malfunction? by TummyX · · Score: 2, Insightful


    They should consider themselves lucky that the US gives them billions of dollars of weapons to fight enemies that are equiped with rocks and primitive explosives.


    WTF? Do you think they use all of those weapons on the Palestinians? The best thing that can happen for Israel is for he world to acknowledge that it *IS* a war. The fact is, if they used those weapons in an all out war, the Palestinians wouldn't have a fucking change.

    And to describe palestinian as poor enemies with only rocks and primitive explosives is nothing short of fuckign ignorant. A suicide bomber who can disguise himself, walk into a nightclub and blow himself up is far more dangerous than the restricted actions of the IDF. Especially since it creates a situtation where liberties (including those of Palestinians) have to be exchanged for security.

    Enemies that they imposed upon, and enemies that they threaten and steal from when they attempt to expand their borders.


    I invite you to read some history and get damn a clue.

    A country like Israel, despite being attacked repeatedly by its neighbours, being built up of people who have had their lands stolen off them (in both Europe and Arabia) has managed to develop into the only multi-cultural, multi-ethnic democracy in the middle east. Israel is responsible for inventions ranging from the MRI to ICQ to the Pentium-M.

    When was the last time you saw a Jew blowing himself up in Saudi Arabia or Germany demanding their land back? Nope, they just get on with their fucking lives and contribute to humanity instead of becoming career refugees like a certain group of people.

  14. Re:What is their major malfunction? by TummyX · · Score: 1, Insightful


    The fact is, they should not have those weapons at all. I find the idea of giving someone weapons and calling it humanitarian aid offensive


    What? Israel has been attacked by its neighbours who have sworn to "push israel into the sea" and the US shouldn't help Israel defend itself? it is in the best interests of the US and the world that Israel -- a stable multicultural democracy in the middle east -- survives.


    Suicide bombers are attempting to show how hopeless they feel about their situation in the very loudest way possible


    No, they do it cause they believe they are stupid and think they will get rewarded (sex etc) in heaven. They are idiots and it's no suprise that they generally are very young.


    The best thing the world can do at this point is look on with sorrow I'm afraid


    You know, there is *much* worse happening in the world. The Israeli/Middle-east conflict is so popular because it's the only place of conflict where the reporters can sit down and have sushi whilst they wirte about how horrible Israel is.

  15. Re:Not to rain on your parade but.. by duggy_92127 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...collect all the information needed to snatch the blogger and make an example out of him and his family?

    What country/world do you live in?? You're really contemplating the possibility that the Chinese government is going to hunt you down, "snatch" you away, and do horrible things to you?

    Listen, America has a number of problems, but keeping its citizens safe from foreign aggression while on their own soil is not one of them. And I'm including "terrorism", even though that's not remotely the point here.

    Furthermore, "...the United States (US) lacks extradition treaties with over fifty nations, including the People's Republic of China and North Korea." So even if they asked the US politely to hand you over, our government would just laugh at them.

    How paranoid do you have to be to think that not only is the government of China going to notice you, but send somebody over to get you? Wow.

    Doug