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25th TOP500 List Released

Chris Vaughan writes "The 25th edition of the TOP500 list of the world's fastest supercomputers was released today (June 22, 2005) at the 20th International Supercomputing Conference (ISC2005) in Heidelberg Germany. The No. 1 position was again claimed by the previously mentioned BlueGene/L System. At present, IBM and Hewlett-Packard sell the bulk of systems at all performance levels of the TOP500. The U.S is clearly the leading consumer of HPC systems with 294 of the 500 systems installed there (up from 267 six months ago)."

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  1. Obvious Link? by yellowbkpk · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Obvious Link? by spauldo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      POWER != PowerPC.

      PowerPC is _based_ on POWER. The G5 is basically a modified and scaled down POWER 4 chip.

      Apple's got other concerns rather than just raw computing power, and they don't need the features that allow you to have more than 4 or so processors in one system. POWER itself isn't designed for small applications - engineering workstations is about as low end as it gets.

      It does suck though. PPC's a nice platform.

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  2. Links are Fun by TPIRman · · Score: 3, Informative

    And here's a link to the actual list. Also interesting is the historical chart of the TOP500 by manufacturer, which tells a story in itself -- the decline of Cray and rise of IBM and Hitachi, for one.

  3. So where is the list? by SeanTobin · · Score: 4, Informative

    You'd think that it would be a good idea to actually link to the html list, or the xml list, or the pretty charts.

    The press release is interesting too.

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  4. Derived Moore's Law by OlivierB · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It would be great if we could verify Moore's law through some simple stats using the histrical data from this Top500 list.
    -For example:How many years did it take for Number ones on average to be dropped off the 500 list?

    - How many years after the list was published did it take personal computers tu make it in the 500list? To make it to the number 1 spot?

    - How many transistors did these computers have? Did it verify Moore's law?

    - Are we getting more TFLOPS per watt now? Per transistor?
    etc..

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    1. Re:Derived Moore's Law by LordIvan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, a *real* supercomputer uses vacuum tubes and steam valves.

  5. No PS3? by 0kComputer · · Score: 3, Funny

    How can this be? I thought it was running at 2+ Terraflops. Didn't anyone watch E3?


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    1. Re:No PS3? by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Funny
      You see, the PS3 runs so fast that it actually broke the light barrier, travelled back in time, and made last year's list.

      -Eric

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  6. Position #501 by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Funny

    And at position #501, OSX running on an Intel processor. Hey, Steve promised it would be fast.

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  7. surprsing to me by udderly · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What's surprising to me is that Cray used to be synonymous with supercomputers and they now have comparatively few entries.

    1. Re:surprsing to me by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's surprising to me is that Cray used to be synonymous with supercomputers and they now have comparatively few entries.

      Why is that suprising in any way? At one time, Ford was synonymous with cars, but today have news of Ford laying off managers. IBM used to be synonymous with the desktop PC, but with the sale of their laptop division are now completely out of the market. Sony Walkman was synonymous with portable music, but now everyone has an iPod.

      Cray is just another company that had a great product for a while, but couldn't keep innovating and couldn't keep up when the competition joined the market. Nothing at all suprising about it, it happens all the time.

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  8. ThingsI would do by digitalgimpus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Here's a list of things I would do if I had access to one of the systems on that list:

    - See how long it takes Windows ME to boot
    - See how long it takes pico to open
    - run 'top'
    - play a wicked ass game of pong
    - bitch about having so many CPU's and only 2 USB ports
    - see if I could get a video card with dual display support
    - fire up a spreadsheet and make a wicked ass multiplication table going really far (like 10X10!) /had an original IBM PC // bored

  9. Wrong criterion? by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    MareNostrum wins hands down for best looking computer room/

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  10. AMD on the list. by B5_geek · · Score: 3, Informative

    For you rabid fanbois (like me) here is how AMD scored:

    Rank Site Country/Year Computer /Processors Manufacturer Rmax Rpeak
    10 Sandia National Laboratories
    11 Oak Ridge National Laboratory
    31 Shanghai Supercomputer Center
    32 Los Alamos National Laboratory
    33 Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center
    39 US Army Research Laboratory (ARL)
    46 Grid Technology Research Center, AIST
    57 Swiss Scientific Computing Center (CSCS)
    75 DOE/Bettis Atomic Power Laboratory
    76 DOE/Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory
    109 The University of Nottingham
    144 Automotive Manufacturer (F)
    155 Los Alamos National Laboratory
    156 Government
    167 Universitaet Wuppertal
    174 United Institute of Informatics Problems
    244 DaimlerChrysler
    300 Veritas DGC
    306 Ford Motor Company
    347 Idaho National Engineering Laboratory
    348 Japan Adv. Inst. of Science and Technology (JAIST)
    388 Umea University / HPC2N
    490 Chartered Semiconductor Manufacturing
    499 Doshisha University

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  11. Re:I'm confused by CardiganKiller · · Score: 4, Informative

    It all depends on the system architecture and the type of problem being solved. Certain problems will adhere better to certain architectures and thus allow for a smaller gap between the theoretical and actual performance. The gaps can also be inherent in the architecture itself (e.g. communications bandwidth like you said).

  12. Re:All this computing power by bnavarro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Personally, I don't think that Human brains are binary based, logic gate controlled computation machines, and this difference accounts for why we have so much diffuclty with developing strong AI on them.

    I do believe, however, that we will eventually "crack the code" to the fundamental archetecture of our brains, and once we do that, we will re-design our computers accordingly, and finally achieve strong AI.

    I also believe, that our currently architected computers will play a key role in assisting us with cracking this code.

  13. Re:Choosy Supercomputers prefer *nix by Potader · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... still installing service packs and patches.

  14. Re:Choosy Supercomputers prefer *nix by AJWM · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, M$ doesn't make hardware.

    Actually, come to think of it they do. Where's the Beowulf cluster of XBoxes?

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  15. Top50 by CPU family by frankie · · Score: 5, Informative
    Just a quick breakdown for comparison.
    • 11: PowerPC: 1, 2, 5, 6, 8, 9, 14, 16, 21, 22, 23
    • 10: POWER: 13, 18, 19, 24, 25, 35, 36, 42, 45, 49
    • 9: Xeon: 20, 28, 29, 34, 37, 40, 42, 44, 47
    • 8: Itanium: 3, 7, 15, 17, 26, 30, 38, 48
    • 7: Opteron: 10, 11, 31, 32, 33, 39, 46
    • 2: NEC: 4, 27
    • 1: Alpha: 12
    • 1: Sparc: 41
    • 1: Cray: 50
    1. Re:Top50 by CPU family by SkinnyTurkey · · Score: 3, Informative

      top500.org provided statistics for all top 500. For breakdown by processor family, see http://top500.org/sublist/stats/index.php?list=25& type=procfam&submit=Generate+Table. Assuming your summary for top 50 is correct, the statistics is rather different from top 500.

      I don't know why top500.org didn't provide breakdown by operating system, so I found out myself. Here it is:

      328 (65.6%): Linux
      73 (14.6%): HP Unix (HP-UX)
      52 (10.4%): AIX
      16 (3.2%): UNICOS
      7 (1.4%): Super-UX
      6 (1.2%): Solaris
      4 (0.8%): Tru64 UNIX
      4 (0.8%): MacOS X
      3 (0.6%): SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 9
      2 (0.4%): Redhat Enterprise 3
      2 (0.4%): HI-UX/MPP
      1 (0.2%): SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8
      1 (0.2%): Paragon OS
      1 (0.2%): IRIX

      I expected a few Windows, but surprisingly there is none at all. Not sure how accurate top500.org's "Operating System" field value is though.

  16. Re:BlueGene domination by devinoni · · Score: 3, Informative

    Remember the goal of BlueGene is to build very dense systems. Not only do you have to factor in the costs of the system, but you have the costs of the facilities. This includes costs of construction or renovation of the facilities to handle the power and cooling requirements of these behemoths. BlueGene/L in it's current incarnation is using 32 cabinets for it's processors. While Earth Simulator is comprised of 320 cabinets for the CPUs (an additional 65 for interconnects).