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Microsoft Cuts Anti-Virus Support For Unix / Linux

jasonmicron writes "As previously reported on Slashdot, Microsoft has completed the aquisition of Sybari Software this morning. Before the ink was even dry, Microsoft cut all new antivirus support for all Unix and Linux definitions. Current customers will continue to receive support but new customers will not have the option to purchase the software under Unix / Linux. From TFA: Post acquisition, Syabri becomes a Microsoft subsidiary focusing on marketing anti-virus and anti-spam protection for Microsoft messaging and collaboration servers. It will continue to market Sybari's Lotus Domino products but will not sell Antigen versions for Unix and Linux."

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  1. And you're surprised by this... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And you're surprised by this why?

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    1. Re:And you're surprised by this... by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I should be surprised that noone at the DoJ Anti Trust division is pricking up their ears about this.

      Then I remembered who runs the DoJ....

    2. Re:And you're surprised by this... by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Umm, Last time I checked Microsoft has no monopoly in the Anti-Virus market. Besides if you are talking about its monopoly in the PC OS market, this move hardly affects it one way or another.

      This will be picked up by DOJ's anti-trust dept, only if they embed their AV in the OS and distribute it freely, making it harder for other AV companies like Nortan/Symantex to sell their products.

      I am not their fan either, but they are withing their rights here, Besides who really needs a AV for unix anyway ?

      Ofcourse your point about who owning the DOJ makes every thing moot.

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    3. Re:And you're surprised by this... by terrymr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Monopoly or not in the antivirus market, buying up makers of other software to stop them from making products for competing operating systems is still questionable behavior.

    4. Re:And you're surprised by this... by Guillermito · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even though a Unix/Linux server may not need the protection of antivirus software, it still makes sense to run antivirus software on them.

      For example, if the Unix/Linux box is a mail server you can run all routed messages through an antivirus filter before delivering them to Windows machines.

    5. Re:And you're surprised by this... by mrscorpio · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How is a *nix A/V product a "redundant line" for MS? Or in other words, what MS *nix A/V product is MS keeping in favor of this one? Further, a *nix A/V product does not compete with a MS A/V product anymore than MS Office for Windows would compete with MS Office for Linux. Would a bookseller selling German language Bibles be cannibalizing their own market by selling English language ones?

    6. Re:And you're surprised by this... by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you're confusing vertical and horizontal integration.

      When Dahmler-Chrysler was formed, two companies that competed in the same space with the same type of products got rid of redundant offering within the same space. This is horizontal integration. This is not what Microsoft did.

      When Standard Oil bought up all the producers of oil barrels to deny their competitors access, it was performing vertical integration to remove tools needed by competitors. This is what Microsoft did.

      Microsoft has bought a product that makes UNIX and Linux servers more attractive by giving them needed security protections and has destroyed it for the express purpose of making UNIX and Linux servers less attractive. This is similar to what Standard Oil did only a little less drastic because you can still sell and use non-Windows servers without virus protection unlike oil without barrels to carry it in.

      Whether this is an antitrust violation is a question for experts in the area, but it's certainly anticompetitive behavior.

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    7. Re:And you're surprised by this... by Brushfireb · · Score: 3, Insightful
      When Standard Oil bought up all the producers of oil barrels to deny their competitors access, it was performing vertical integration to remove tools needed by competitors. This is what Microsoft did.

      Certainly I see your point. But you are taking it one step too far. Microsoft didnt buy ALL of the makers for unix / linux antivirus. They bought a single one.

      I think your assumption/point would be correct had Microsoft purchased all of the AV databases available on the market. Then this would prevent anyone from having AV support who wasnt using a MS product. That is the only comparable situation to your case with Standard Oil.

      I realize this is slashdot, and MS bashing is Standard Operating Practice (tm), but COME ON. If google makes an aquisition, its fantastic. If MS does it, its monopoly? B.S.

      Next Please.

    8. Re:And you're surprised by this... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cutting off their nose to spite their face mayhaps?

      Nope. The virus scanners have to be bought, so if MS has killed the linux choice, then you will be buying a windows server to scan viruses. This is leveraging a monopoly, pure and simple.

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  2. I'm tired of this crap by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Truly, if this stuff was allowed to go on in other industries we would barely be out of the stone chisel stage. Something needs to happen to bring the PC world to it's knees so that things start to shape up.

    All of this in-fighting and patents/closed source/non-standardization needs to end... and NO Linux is not the be-all-end-all solution as it is just as bad at times.

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  3. Okay, Okay by brotherscrim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know lots of people here are going to cry foul, but come on: Who was gonna buy anti-virus software for linux from Microsoft?

  4. so what by jwegy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They don't sale or support Unix or Linux. What is the problem? They need to focus on their customers. That makes plenty of business sense.

  5. Well, Duh! by overshoot · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Talk about making a strategic value out of your own product's flaws:
    1. MSWindows machines draw malware like crap draws flies
    2. Sysadmins install filters on their *nix mail servers to shield the (vulnerable|culpable) MSWin machines
    3. MS buys up any company producing filters for *nix servers
    4. MS shuts down the *nix side of the business
    5. MS then sells MS servers because they're the only ones that can protect the MS clients.
    6. Profit! (Not to mention more market dominance)
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  6. Re:Whee! I looooove monopolieeees!!! by n0-0p · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Honestly I think the parent was commenting on the practice of buying out the competition. Or, more acurately in this case, buying up a supplier for the competition so you can cut their legs out from under them. On a larger scale it's the exact kind of practice that prompted the creation of anti-trust laws in the US. Of course this is a niche product, so I'd leave it to a lawyer to determine how much anti-trust law applies.

  7. Re:sounds like an admission by Microsoft by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No one used these products to stop Linux/Unix machines from getting compromised. This software was run on Linux/Unix machines to stop Windows clients they served from getting compromised. It filled a real need, if one filled by other products as well. MS killed them because it probably plans to integrate the functionality into its Windows server offerings and does not like offering software that does not lock you in to their OS's.

  8. Why *buy* anti-virus software when ClamAV is free? by Richard+Lamont · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are a couple of good reasons for having anti-virus software on a unix/linux mail server, even though they don't get viruses. First, it can protect Windows email clients. Second, anti-virus software can also pick up things like phishing emails, which are platform-agnostic.

    Fortunately, good quality free (speech and beer) anti-virus software is available from http://www.clamav.net/ - and it's packaged in many linux distros.

  9. Re:Really odd by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's just good business sense. If you could cripple your competitors' OSes while acquiring things you wanted, wouldn't you do it?

    It is also blatantly illegal under the Sherman Act in this case. Don't hold you breath until the DOJ takes action though, we also saw them bought and paid for years ago.

  10. Cutting off their nose to spite their face by pandrijeczko · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I hate to say this but UNIX and Linux do not get viruses.

    Virus detection programs on UNIX or Linux are usually deployed on mail servers that kill the viruses before they hit Windows-based mail clients.

    Therefore, cutting support puts Windows mail clients connected to UNIX mail servers at threat.

    Stupid, stupid decision from a company that claims to be serious about security.

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  11. Not the first time they've done this by DieByWire · · Score: 4, Insightful
    They bought out RAV a few years ago and buried Linux support. After that things got even worse.

    We switched to Vexira from Central Command. Midway through our contract, CC was kind enough to tell us we had to upgrade to their new software, and by the way, you have less than a week to do it. This was between Christmas and New Years. Did I say the the new software didn't support our existing OS? (RH 7.2, patches from Progeny.)

    Every time we've used proprietary AV software we've gotten screwed.

    Solution: apt-get install clamav.

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