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Supreme Court Rules Private Property Can be Seized

slew writes "CNN is reporting that the U.S. Supreme Court issued a ruling in a case where a local community seized private houses for commercial development (not public works) under the guise of eminent domain. Needless to say, the little guy loses to the commercial developer this case... "

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  1. Not as bad as it sounds... by DataPath · · Score: 5, Informative

    it was a 5-4 decision, which the conclusion being that the supreme court doesn't feel it's their job the decide what falls within the "public good" clause of eminent domain.

    They stated that this doesn't nothing to prevent states from legislating limits on eminent domain seizures by municipal government

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    1. Re:Not as bad as it sounds... by DanEsparza · · Score: 5, Informative
      Ummm ... hmmm.. Conservatives? Wow. Sounds like you have a beef against people like me. Guess what: I'm a conservative. And you know what you might find rather surprising? It was the conservative judges that were dissenting:

      From http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050623/D8ATDSD80 .html

      O'Connor was joined by
      Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist (conservative)
      Antonin Scalia (conservative)
      Clarence Thomas (conservative)

      O'Connor's dissent was surprisingly terse and (*gasp*) conservative!

      From http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/23/politics/23wire- scotus.html?incamp=article_popular_4

      In a bitter dissent, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor said the majority had created an ominous precedent. "The specter of condemnation hangs over all property," she wrote. "Nothing is to prevent the state from replacing any Motel 6 with a Ritz-Carlton, any home with a shopping mall, or any farm with a factory."

      "Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private property, but the fallout from this decision will not be random," she wrote. "The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms.

      "As for the victims," Justice O'Connor went on, "the government now has license to transfer property from those with fewer resources to those with more. The Founders cannot have intended this perverse result."

      It pisses me off when people jump to conclusions without hearing all the facts. Next time, please do your homework first. -D

  2. Re:All hail the rich by FatRatBastard · · Score: 4, Informative

    And interestingly enough it was done by the more liberal (er, "progressive") members of the bench. The three hard conservatives were soundly against it.

  3. Them Pesky Conser-oh, wait... by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Informative
    Let's get this out of the way right off the bat:

    For the record, O'Connor, Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas were in the dissent. The minority. The losers. The folks saying "no, the government doesn't have the right to take private land from some citizens on behalf of other private citizens as long as there are a few extra tax dollars to be picked up in the process".

    If you want to argue party politics ("It's all Bush's fault, favoring Special Interests"), there are plenty of threads where you can do so and still be on-topic.

    Unless you're so blinded by partisan politics that you consider O'Connor, Scalia, Rehnquist, and Thomas to be liberals (well, at least for today), this isn't one of those threads.

    This isn't about Republicans vs. Democrats. It's about libertarians vs. statists.

  4. Re:bush judges by DavidHumus · · Score: 5, Informative
    For more of the same?

    Remember how Bush made his money in baseball: building a larger stadium on land siezed under eminent domain? http://espn.go.com/mlb/bush/saturday.html

  5. Re:bush judges by Surt · · Score: 5, Informative

    Let's see:

    In favor:
    John Paul Stevens - Ford/republican
    Anthony Kennedy - Reagan/republican
    David H. Souter - Bush/republican
    Ruth Bader Ginsburg - Clinton/democrat
    Stephen G. Breyer - Clinton/democrat

    Against:
    Sandra Day O'Connor - Reagan/republican
    William H. Rehnquist - Nixon-Reagan/ republican
    Antonin Scalia - Reagan/republican
    Clarence Thomas - Bush/republican

    I'd say toss up on whether more bush/republican judges would help here. Both democrats were in favor, but so were three republicans.

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  6. No, it's worse. by lheal · · Score: 4, Informative
    From TFA:
    Local officials, not federal judges, know best in deciding whether a development project will benefit the community, justices said.

    In this instance, the judges say that local officials know best. (Never mind what the owners of the land think.)

    The part that makes this really bad is that the Court isn't looking at the law and the Constitution, but at the circumstances. They're supposed to be judging the law, not making new laws as they did here.

    A similar thing happened in the medical marijuana case. The judges said that they thought the "medical" thing was a sham, that this was all about people wanting a way around Federal drug laws. They had no legal basis for that finding, it was just what they thought about the issue. So they allowed the extension of the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution to include the doctor-patient relationship.

    These decisions are symptomatic of an out of control Court.

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  7. Re:bush judges by fmaxwell · · Score: 4, Informative

    But Kennedy was only nominated because Bork was Borked, so Reagan had to pick someone more moderate. Same basic thing with Souter (not a specific Borking, but the fear of it).

    I find your use of the term "Borked" to be offensive. Do you have any idea of who Bork even was? Time for a history lesson:

    In 1973, Watergate Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox was demanding tapes and Presidential documents related to the Watergate break-in. Rather than turn over the evidence, President Nixon directed Attorney General Elliot Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson resigned his position rather than fire the Special Prosecutor. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. Ruckelshaus refused and Nixon fired Ruckelshaus.

    Finally, Nixon turned to then Solicitor General Robert Bork, who by law became the acting Attorney General when the Attorney General and deputy attorney general were absent. Bork carried out Nixon's order to fire Cox. After Bork fired Cox, Nixon abolished the office of the Special Prosecutor and had FBI agents quickly seal off the offices of Richardson and Ruckelshaus in the Justice Department and at Cox's headquarters in an office building in Washington, D.C.

    So stop painting Bork as a victim of dirty tricks by mean liberals. He was an evil bastard who acted in concert with Nixon to thwart a legal investigation into Watergate. He lacked the ethics, judgment, and integrity to serve as dog catcher, much less as a Justice on the Supreme Court of the United States.

  8. Re:bush judges by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's already happened. One millionaire was killed by police during a 'drug raid'. Turned out they were trying to seize his land through the drug seizure laws because the sheriff wanted it...

    It just keeps moving up. This is why I'm pissed at government right now, because they keep trying this sort of stuff, and the courts keep ruling for them, sooner or later.

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  9. -- Parent is Very Wrong -- by cappadocius · · Score: 4, Informative
    Or you could look at it this way: The conservatives want the rich to own all the businesses and property. The liberals want the government to own all the businesses and property. What neither side realize is that we're so close to the rich, government, and businesses all being the same, why bother fighting?

    Hardly. The position of the conservatives on the court (who opposed this decision) is that this clearly opens the way for "the rich to own all the businesses and property" precisely because "we're so close to the rich, government, and businesses all being the same."

    To quote from the minority opinion of Sandra Day O'Connor, under the majority ruling:

    "Nothing is to prevent the state from replacing any Motel 6 with a Ritz-Carlton, any home with a shopping mall or any farm with a factory."

    Adding that: "The government now has license to transfer property from those with fewer resources to those with more."

    So, in fact, what the conservative judges worry about is exactly the possibility that this will be used to unfairly benefit the rich.

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