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The Lawsuit of the Rings

securitas writes "The New York Times' Ross Johnson reports that Lord of the Rings trilogy director, Peter Jackson, is suing New Line Cinemas for underpaying him by as much as $100 millon. The lawsuit filed Feb. 28 alleges that New Line committed fraud. Jackson 'reportedly receives about 20 percent of the gross revenue realized by New Line for the trilogy, minus expenses such as taxes.' Jackson's lawyer confirmed that of the more than $4 billion that New Line collected from revenues, merchandise and licensing, Jackson has received 'almost $200 million to date from New Line for the trilogy.' If the opening line doesn't make you want to read the article, I don't know what will: 'What if Frodo Baggins, instead of confronting the evil empire in "The Lord of the Rings," just got himself a lawyer and sued?'"

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  1. Never happen. by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    From TFA:
    What if Frodo Baggins, instead of confronting the evil empire in "The Lord of the Rings," just got himself a lawyer and sued?

    Well, that's a silly question...between 'professional courtesy' and 'conflict of interest', no lawyer would ever take the case against the evil empire.... ^_^
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  2. Meh... by El+Neepo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I guess this doesn't look good for PJ to make The Hobbit with New Line.

  3. Re:$200m!! by mdvolm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It has nothing to do with whether or not he *needs* the money. If it's in his contract he's entitled to it, period.

    How many folks out there would appreciate their employers under-paying them because "they had already been paid enough", or some such non-sense?

  4. And I quote..... by sallgeud · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Peter Jackson is an incredible filmmaker who did the impossible on 'Lord of the Rings,' " this lawyer said. "But there's a certain piggishness involved here. New Line already gave him enough money to rebuild Baghdad, but it's still not enough for him."

    So let me get this straight.... he doesn't deserve what the contract you signed with him says because he can already choke all the worlds hippos with his cash?

    1. Re:And I quote..... by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, I hope someone quotes this the next time the studios take someone to court for downloading thier movies ;-)

      "(put studio name here) makes incredible movies and did an amazing job on (insert movie you were downloading here), but there's a certain piggishness involved here. Consumers already gave them enough money to rebuild Baghdad, but it's still not enough for them."

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  5. Smeagol Jackson: by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Funny


    "Nassty New Line Cinemas...we hates them!"

    "I told you they were tricksy...I told you they were false..."

    ^_^

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  6. Re:Lawyers by gowen · · Score: 5, Funny
    Everyone knows Sauron has the best lawyers in the land.
    Nazgul, Nazgul, Nazgul, Nazgul, Nazgul, Nazgul, Nazgul, Nazgul and Nazgul, attorneys-at-law.
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  7. Typical Media Conglomerate Attitude by nganju · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Says one of New Line Cinema's lawyers FTA:
    "..there's a certain piggishness involved here. New Line already gave him enough money to rebuild Baghdad, but it's still not enough for him."

    Why does it matter if he already has tons of money? How is that an argument to not give him what you owe him? You can rip him off because he's rich already?

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  8. Re:Sauron called... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought he wanted his RING back. Oh, wait... he did.

  9. Re:From TFA... by rogueuk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a nice article from Slate that discusses how the NY Times has violated it's code on confidential news sources.

    Basically, if you are going to use an anonymous source to just do a cheap-shot on someone, the NY Times is not supposed to provide anonymity.

  10. What if...? by TooMuchEspressoGuy · · Score: 5, Funny
    What if Frodo had sued, you say?

    Hobbiton: Wealthy hobbit Frodo Baggins today filed a lawsuit against the Dark Lord Sauron claiming damages from an army of orcs, as well as personal injury from the so-called "One Ring."

    The charges brought up against Sauron include: The invasion of Rohan and Gondor via orcs, trolls, and evil men; the scouring of the Shire; the corruption of Saruman the White and the subsequent turning of Isengard into a fortress of evil; and, last but certainly not least, the use of a Ring of Power to twist the mind of the young hobbit.

    Frodo's legal counsel, one Tom Bombadil, believes that the prosecution has a very good chance of winning. "La de da," Mr. Bombadil sang, "all of my elves are very happy and joyous! And we love singing too! La la la..." At that, this reporter proceded to stab him several times with a nearby broadsword.

    In court today, the defense for Mr. Sauron called forth one Smeagol, more commonly known as Gollum. When asked whether Mr. Baggins could be trusted, Gollum commented, "They STOLES it from us! Filthy, tricksy hobbitses! They STOLES my preciousssss!" Sauron's defense then proceded to testify that, due to the fact that Mr. Baggins' father was, in fact, recruited as a "burglar" by the late Thorin Oakenshield, and the fact that he did indeed steal the ring from Mr. Gollum, Frodo's entire testimony concerning the ring was suspect. Frodo's counsel did not offer a rebuttal.

    Sauron's lawyers declined to comment on any of the charges being brought up before them, except with a very cryptic, "One Countersuit to rule them all..."

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  11. Re:Lawyers by ArielMT · · Score: 5, Funny

    "...And in other news tonight, the nine attourneys for Sauron descended the steps of the courthouse in Minas Morgul to deliver a press conference. In it, they announced that the case against Sauron has been dismissed on the grounds that the plantiff's lawyers have all been either slain, bent to the Dark Lord's will, or checked into a mental institution in neighboring Osgiliath, and therefore failed to appear in court on time."

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  12. Re:Forest Gump by Coryoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a pretty standard deal for films, no matter how successful, to fail to make a "profit". There are a wide variety of ways that the studio manages to orchestrate this. There is a nice article here that outlines most of them.

    Reading through all the little tricks and traps is a little frightening - things like the legacy "only 20% of actual home video receipts are booked, the remaining 80% goes to the studio as 'costs'", or the blanket exclusion of 50% of gross reciepts for merchandising and music are pretty blatant scamming. The rest is more subtle, but really just as bad. Read the whole thing, it's worth it.

    Jedidiah

  13. Yes, and then there's the hollywood quote by MattW · · Score: 5, Funny

    I love the quote where they say they gave Jackson "enough money to rebuild Baghdad, but it wasn't enough". They try to make him sound greedy, to cover up the fact that he's basically suing them for... being greedy.

    1. Re:Yes, and then there's the hollywood quote by Loconut1389 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      more like covering up for the fact hes getting screwed, whether or not he has enough money already.

      The problem in principles here. If i were getting screwed out of 100 million, even if i already had 200 million, i'd be pissed. If Bill Gates or Carnegie let big chunks of money slide because they already had enough, their companies might not have succeeded.

      Besides, maybe he was expecting that money so he could donate it somewhere. You never know.

  14. Re:Mixed Feelings by AviLazar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There really shouldn't be any mixed feelings. We should not call Peter Jackson greedy, we should not say that New Line "bet the farm" - because honestly, if the movie tanked they would still be around. All you have to do is look at the facts: Peter Jackson had a contract, New Line is trying to violate that contract, hence New Line is in the wrong. The one line their lawyer said about Jacksons "Piggishness" is flagrant and I would hope to get better out of a lawyer. New Line, if anything is the greedy bastards here. Jackson just wants his due. He helped make New Line 4 Billion dollars.

    Imagine this - you have a contract with your boss that any new inventions you make, you get 2.5% of the gross profit (remember no gross profit = no paycheck). You make your boss an invention that gets him 10 billion dollars. You are entitled to 250 million. They want to give you half of that because they think half is more then enough... How would you feel? Also remember, it was your reputation on the line.

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  15. Re:$200m!! by danzona · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If it's in his contract he's entitled to it, period.

    I RTFA and it is a little weak on detail, but it appears that PJ got what he was entitled to.

    The article seems to be saying that New Line sold off merchandising rights to companies within the Time Warner family rather than sell to the highest bidder.

    The suit contends that NL would have made more money, and therefore PJ would have recieved a higher cut, if the merchandising rights were sold on the open market.

    For everyone who posted that a contract is a contract, it would seem that if NL never promised to sell to the highest bidder, then NL met all the terms of the contract and PJ got what he deserved.

    How many folks out there would appreciate their employers under-paying them because "they had already been paid enough", or some such non-sense?

    I wonder if I could sue our sales department for not generating enough revenue?

  16. Huh? by autopr0n · · Score: 5, Funny

    What do you mean? Lawyers sue the US government all the time.

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  17. Re:Lawyers by ThrasherTT · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nazgul, Nazgul, Nazgul, Nazgul, Nazgul, Nazgul, Nazgul, Nazgul

    Hob-bit! Hob-bit!

    Ring, a riiinnnng, ohhhh, there's the riiiing!

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  18. Re:He'll still make it...even for NewLine by quarkscat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "It's all red tape and shady book-keeping anyway. Arthur Anderson and the accounting they did for Enron were amatuers compared to Hollywood accountants."

    Amen! The correct term, however, is not "shady bookkeeping" but "outright fraud". The Hollywood studios have been functioning this way since the end of the prevalence of the studio "contract star" ended. The lure of an ephermeral percentage on the back-end instead of cash for services rendered has been a siren song many actors/actresses/directors/producers have been unable to resist. Two percent of a bottom line of zero is still worth nothing.

    Only Hollywood accountants can take a movie that costs $100 Million USD to make, that generates $500 Million USD in revenue worldwide (theaters, TV and cable rebroadcasts, DVD rentals and sales) and have a zero (or negative) bottom line balance.

    Of course, both the MPAA and the RIAA use the same dubious accounting methods. Artists and customers both continue to get screwed -- a 95% lockdown on marketing and distribution is still defined as a monopoly. Except to the Dubya regime and the neo-Con(artists) in control of Congress.