50Mbps Cable Launched on Long Island

the-dark-kangaroo writes "Cable Vision have teamed up with Narad Networks to provide a new 50Mbps broadband service in the New York metropolitan area. The current deployment has a capability of 100Mbps (the connections are symmetric) with future developments allowing up to 10Gbps connections. The system utilises current cabling systems allowing enterprise level connections to homes and businesses."

Comments

They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit

[DosBubba]

OptimumOnline caps their customer's upload throughput at 150kbit/s for uploading "too much". They don't even tell you what "too much" is. Their normal caps are rather generous at 10mbit/1mbit, but what's the point if you can't actually use it?

Re:They can't even handle 10mbit/1mbit

[Qzukk]

First off OOL is a totally different service than this so why are you even bringing it up?

I don't live in an OOL area, but pulling up the optimumonline website, I see that its run by CableVision. Do you have any reason to believe that this CableVision network will behave in a significantly different fashion?

As much as Long Island sucks...

[nokilli]

...I gotta say, 50Mbps broadband would be enough to entice me to return. I'd like to run a Freenet node, but only if I had big bandwidth upstream. 50Mbps is _big_ bandwidth, and it's symmetrical.

With all the fear and loathing over p2p, I'm surprised to see that they're allowing high-speed symmetrical connections like this. I was fully expecting 50Mbps down/16Kbps up, or something similarly retarded.

And what does this do to hosting providers like serverbeach? That 50Mbps is going to be unmetered, right? So the game server, your new pay-per-view pr0n site, and the blog all get hosted at home on the Mac Mini. Wow.

And no, it's not flamebait about Long Island. People who live there know what I'm talking about. It's the traffic. You have to drive to get anywhere and even a simple trip to the grocery store and back can make you go insane. To say nothing of commuting. And if you're actually commuting to Manhattan and back, I only have two words for you: hard drugs.

Re:THIS IS NOT FAIR

[muszek]

Tell me about it. After being driven crazy by my ISP for 4 years or so, I got the cheapest reliable connection in Poland that has a static IP (we're going to beta-test our game on my comp to cut costs).

$100 for 2Mbps down / 256 kbps up (yes, that's cheapest DSL that doesn't have monthly transfer limit of 35-or-so GB).

$110 installation, $100 monthly. And that's only because they offer a "promotion" since the begining of June (was much more). Plus it's a minimum 24 months deal.

You guys don't have a clue what less fortunate people (why oh why wasn't I born in a civilized country?) feel when they read your complaints about the level of service you're being provided with (and costs associated with it, especially when you take a look at average salary).

Re:what will you even use it for?

[Alef]

It's funny you mention research papers. In fact, I am working on a research paper at this moment, and have found it very useful to have an optical fiber plugged into my computer, since it allows me to transfer simulation data (several GB) between the university and my home computer.

I honestly doubt it

[AdamReyher]

Let's face it. Cable companies have always advertised speeds then never delivered. CableVision is, one of the lowest in quality, in my opinion. I know many OO subscribers who can attest to this.

While the individual pipes may be able to handle 100Mbps and greater, unless they lay an entirely new system down, guaranteeing it and preventing bottleneck will be almost impossible.

FTTP, like that provided by Verizon (which I have), is much more promising. The new system is there and in place. Verizon has the financial backing to keep making upgrades to this system to keep improving it to wipe out competition. Right now, they have an OC-12 pipe going out to a maximum of 32 customers Which guarantees 20Mbps to every customer all at the same time. While they can't promise 30Mbps to everyone at once, I find this "risk" a whole lot more rational that what CableVision hopes to do.

Word is from what I've seen, Verizon will be upgrading to OC-24 pipes, if not OC-48, very soon.

Re:TCP/IP class 101 in session

[TCM]

When I'm downloading at a full 4Mbit via http, I'm almost completely saturating the 512Kbit upstream.

If it were really 50Mbit downstream, they'd need to give something like 8Mbit up, or at the very least 4.

I call BS. The overhead for ACKs on a pure download is _not that_ high. I ran netstat -bI 1 while downloading a file via HTTP:

376704 9420
323586 9708
378421 9724
377904 9228

First number is bytes down, second is bytes up over the last second. The ratio is roughly 40:1. You must have done something wrong saturating half an Mbit with a 4Mb download.