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Happy Fifth Birthday GAC and Mindpixel!
mindpixel writes "GAC is five today! Wow, that was fast! To celibrate, I am releasing 80,000 mindpixels with their corresponding probability of truth for research use."
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is that like a party without any nookie?
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... completely and utterly lost by this post? I have no idea what it's about or what the acronym means!
rooooar
I'd wonder snidely if "celibrate" is a Freudian slip, but then I'm the dweeb who not only read the product of your bong session but is complaining that the probability of "isHelium a gas?" is <1.00.
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
This is the most pointless, stupid, inane drivel I've ever had the misfortune to see here.
Thank you, Mindpixel, for submitting this trash, and thank you so much, Timothy, for posting it.
Congratulations, idiots...you've just scored a new low for Slashdot (something I hadn't previously thought possible).
Now, what can you do with this data? Well, once it is in the google index - tomorrow, I suspect. Then the 3.5mb page of 80k validated pieces of knowledge will be able to do for consensus internal knowledge what wikipedia does for consensus external knowledge. I hope that eventually, google will trust Mindpixel as it does Wikipedia. Then commercial applications of semantic spectrum based technology can proceed, and the 50,000 owners of the
everyone elses browser must be choking to death on the 80,000 lines of text like mine is...
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You're not alone. The GAC link leads to a minimal MindPixel front page, which reads "Digital Mind Modeling Project" and prompts me to log in. The blog link informs me that MindPixel is "a map of common sense". The 80,000 link initially crashed Firefox on my Win2K machine here at work, but on a retry, gave me a page which begins "Is ice cream cold? Is earth a planet? Is green a color?"
Fortunately, Wikipedia gave some insight. But yeah, the article summary was a bit too vague for my liking.
...given the vagaries of English. For example:
Is rape a good thing?
Most people would say 0%, but rape is also a type of seed-bearing plant, so rape is a good thing for getting rapeseed (canola) oil. For this assertion to be useful, there must be a way to distinguish from the plant and the crime.
In fact, 3 of the first 5 are ambiguous or subject to interpretation:
- 1.00 is icecream cold?
- 1.00 is earth a planet?
- 1.00 Is it hot during the summer?
Is ice cream cold cold relative to liquid nitrogen? no.Earth is also a collection of organic and non-organic substances that plants grow in.
Hot, relative to what? At the north pole, it's never 'hot'.
Tiller's Rule: Never use a word in written form that you've only heard and never read. You will end up looking foolish.
"Is MicroSoft a basically ethical enterprise?" MindPixel's answer: 0.13
>> Standing on head makes smile of frown, but rest of face also upside down.
...on this list that have a probablity that is in the .30 to .70 range or so speak volumes to the average knowledge level of the population that has been training this thing.
Maybe I'll try to submit /dev/random as a story.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
This is the work of a truly bizarre kook. (You can find lots of his astonishingly weird "theories" on kuro5hin.org where he also goes by the moniker 'mindpixel')
Given that the universe is infinite and that God is also infinite, would you like a crumpet? ...... would you do it?
a beautiful woman leading an ugly donkey asks you to kiss her ass
Does Spiderman have a sticky penis?
If you are a female between 18 - 25 years of age who is looking for love should you email legendlength@hotmail.com?
Is vicadin a perfume?
Do women have sex with cats?
Is Kiro5hin currently up?
Can tree stumps be used as baby carriges?
Are children are much like firetrucks, only bigger?
Was the film Jurassic Park about big scary butterflies?
about Wired and Time than anything else. Even a cursory look at the stuff he posted on k5 will immendiately reveal the idiocy of this stuff. (As if it weren't already apparent from the link in this 'story').
The editors usually think it is, so much so that they post many things twice!
You are looking at attractors in a high-d space. Look at the picture these mindpixels are sampling!
Try to see the geometry!
Think dynamically. Not symbolically!
Read some Michael Spivey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fortunatly Slashdot had an inteview with the project founder
See pictures of tits
Crackpot doesn't even begin to describe him.
:)
I met Chris when he still lived in Winnipeg nearly 15 years ago. Still good friends with one of his former roommates, and there's some pretty interesting stories to tell. Let's just say, he was into tinfoil hats almost before tinfoil was invented. I do remember him taking a lot of psychadelics at one point, which could explain where he's gone in life.
Way back during the early days of the web, Chris "pioneered" the idea of an online soap opera. Needless to say, it worked about as well as the idea sounds. Managed to get a TON of publicity about it, even though it seemed like no one outside of the media knew or cared.
Always interesting to see people you knew way back when making the news, especially when you come from a Canadian backwater (quick Slashdot pool: who's heard of Winnipeg?
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
My friends, your mind is a continus substrate. Read Michael Spivey from Cornell. It is a very recently PROVEN fact.
You are looking at samples from a space. People can have weird ideas. Where do you think they come from?
It is the geometry of the space.
Remember, the most fundamental idea of Einstein's theory of gravitation in both the physical and philosophic senses is that the geometry of the universe is determined by the distribution of matter. My Specific Hypergeometric Hypothesis says that immediate memories are points on the maximum hypersurface of a seven-dimensional unit sphere and complex cognition is a trajectory on the same hypersurface. I believe and now have experimental confirmation that mind is a space that is warped by thoughts exactly in the same way that matter warps Einstein's space, except that gravity in the mind is actually Hebbian association. Spivey made the measurements that caught the bending of thoughts by other thoughts in a high-dimensional neural space!! One can't help but be amazed that both Spivey and Eddington measured a kind of bending to confirm a counter-intuitive high-dimensional spatial theory!
My swingies bouncing on the chin of this idea? 0.97 Come on...
That is true.
I have systems that can correct this by weighting the users according to how they respond to control questions. But that data is not public. If you want that, you have to give me money.
Is icecream cold? Is ice cream cold? You owe us one more. Also, "Is sex nice?" cannot be proven to be true by slashdot readers...
Insert witty comment *here*. I'm fresh out of wit...
1.00 is earth a planet?
1.00 is the Earth a planet?
first of all why are such two similar questions so close to each other; and second, why is 'earth' lower case when it should be capitalized but capitalized when it should be lower case? you would say 'is Mars a planet?' but not 'is the Mars a planet?' geesh
if i'm not immortal, what's the point of living?
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Is the probability of a brain states when you sample 20 random people.
This data self-organizes beautifully with a variation on the DTW-SOM.
But, the reason I posted it, is it is GACs fifth birthday. I donot expect many people to understand what this very large page means.
But you will start to get it when it starts turning up in all your search results.
"GAC" = "Good Army Chow"
We sure love our TLA's.
I can't help it - I'm a 19D.
Look at this map:
0 00-english-words.html
http://www.mindpixel.com/chris/2005/06/map-of-100
And try to imagine it made not with words, but Mindpixels.
Do you think it would look random? and be of no use whatsover?? Is that what you think??
I found some interesting self references; if you search for 'this', you come up with many gems, including these:
0.78 Judging by this database, then truth is relative?
0.78 Will this AI be used for peaceful purposes?
0.78 should i waste my hours on this instead of computer games?
0.78 Do some people think GAC is more than it is?
0.77 can this question be answered "yes" or "no" ?
0.77 does this just log the questions, and ask other people?
0.77 Will we ever see the wily and elusive statistics page?
0.74 is this a stupid question?
0.73 Is this question a yes or no question?
0.71 Is this sentence a mindpixel?
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
That selection of data was extracted by someone else specifically for that k5 post. Your copying of that exact selection of data makes you a plagiarist. (Don't bother replying. I won't.)
... after a quick investigation:
1.00 What is slashdot? (Huh?)0.83 Is Slashdot actually a website?
0.77 Does slashdot postings cause extra traffic for its mentioned websites?
0.76 Is Slashdot a web site? (this one seems to vary a bit)
0.39 Is slashdot.org good?
0.35 Is the website at slashdot.org full of trolls and mindless linux bigots?
0.30 Was mindpixel slashdotted?
0.13 Is Slashdot the greatest site ever?
0.05 Has the average person (e.g. your Mother) ever heard of Slashdot?
and finally
0.00 is slashdot good journalism? (How sad)
Of course this is just a sampling of all the related mindpixel questions, but we can conclude that slashdot is a popular topic for mindpixel, but nobody mistakes it for good journalism...
If you want a real database of "common-sense" knowledge, you should check out CYC instead. It might be harder to do it that way, but it sure pays off if you actually want to use it for something beyond spamming usenet groups and slashdot.
0.63 Would it be incorrect to say that "42" is the answer to the universe, and all that other stuff?
0.60 Does this question contain 42 letters and numbers?
0.60 the meaning of life is 42?
0.51 Is the ultimate answer to life, the universe, and everything 42?
0.50 Is the answer to the ultimate question 42?
0.50 is 42 the answer to life the universe and everything?
0.50 May the number 42, in at least some circumstances, be percieved as the meaning of life?
0.50 is the answer to life 42 ?
0.50 Is the answer to the question of life, the universe, and everything 42?
0.49 Is 42 the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything?
Also noteworthy: 0.63 is mindpixel more important than work to Andre Ludwig at 925-242-6572?
And my favourite: 0.42 Sex is not the answer. Sex is the question. What is the answer?
I signed into mindpixel, and submitted my first mp. As I was typing the second one, it dawned on me that the project was not free. I looked around and couldnt find a spot to download mindpixels. Later I read that people who submit 'enough' mindpixels will be given shares in a subsequent company.
This is not only wrong, its surprising that you are posting it on slashdot of all the places. Youre planning to take public knowledge from the public, and what do you give back in return? I can come up with some algorithm, and try to parse mindpixels, but you own all the mindpixels in the first public frenzy, after which people will stop submitting mindpixels to every such database online.
'Mindpixels' should be free, and I'll wait till I see a free (GPL or otherwise) site where I can both submit and download all the 'mindpixels'. You can develop some algorithim or neural network and thats all yours. But leave the public knowledge so generously given to you in the name of science, to the public.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
Just Another Scam.
What modern Obelix would say today? Of course, "Those crazy Americans!".
Look at that data and try to, for just a single moment, think about what it could be used for. Each of those statements has an associated truth value. Does the term "artificial intelligence" slip into your mind? How about "common sense"? I am not going to detail possible uses, but information like that, combined with correlation between statements, forms the foundation of primative intelligence. Look through those statements and see which cooborate others and consider how a machine might be able to answer an arbitrary question with it. I will tell you that this is the type of material that well established artificial intelligence projects use to mimick intelligent responses to humans.
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Okay, I understand that the Mindpixel project is trying to create a type of artificial intelligence by gathering a variety of simple deductions and stringing them together to create more complex "thoughts". But how will it work? When the mindpixel "The sky is blue" is entered, how does software read and interpret any of this information? There is a fundamental missing component of this whole equation, and that is the basic cognition that interprets the English statements that are being entered into this system. Sure, there is a factor associated with each statement, but what is reading and interpreting the actual statement? What is reading, parsing, and understanding the English language statement that is entered? How is that supposed to work? I don't see that this is possible.
Wow! In a Googlefight, Mindpixel wins over Mentifex! Whooda thunk it?
Reason is the Path to God - Anon
University Of Oklahoma
Us Dept Of Justice
General Electric Company
Cornell University
Naval Research Laboratory
Massachusetts Institute Of Technology
Google
Microsoft
Rutgers University
Storage Technology Corporation
U.s. Environmental Protection Agency
Electronic Arts Inc
United Parcel Service
National Oceanic And Atmospheric Administration (noaa)
University Of Calgary
Ohio State University
Bowe Bell And Howell International
National Institute Of Standards And Technology
Energis Uk
Brigham Young University
University Of Waterloo
Dartmouth College
The Pennsylvania State University
Booz Allen & Hamilton
I am. See some of my clients here:
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http://www.mindpixel.com/chris/2005/07/some-new-g
Michael Spivey liked the idea of a popular science book called "The Bending of Thought" becuase, well, the effect is accurately described by an analogy with light and gravity.
You see, when you have a map of the average person's mind, market becomes a science...which explains my quick growing client list!
The project's goal is not to come up with a perfect robot brain, it is to research AI using statistics. If you talked about rape, the seed bearing plant, the AI would certainly be confused. By looking at the 33 lines containng the word 'rape', the AI would probably assume they had to do with the most used form of the word. Maybe by the overwhelming negative response it could determine that the "Is rape a good thing?" mindpixel was about the rape act and not the plant from the definition and other mindpixels. If it determined you were talking about the plant, it may disregard those mindpixels. Just like our brain has to determine what definition of 'rape' is being talked about in the question, the AI would have to as well.
Here's what I pulled out of my log for a few hours this afternoon:
University Of Oklahoma
Us Dept Of Justice
Advanced Acoustics Concepts
General Electric Company
Cornell University
Naval Research Laboratory
Massachusetts Institute Of Technology
Google
Microsoft
Rutgers University
Storage Technology Corporation
U.s. Environmental Protection Agency
Electronic Arts Inc
United Parcel Service
National Oceanic And Atmospheric Administration (noaa)
University Of Calgary
Ohio State University
Bowe Bell And Howell International
National Institute Of Standards And Technology
Energis Uk
Brigham Young University
University Of Waterloo
Dartmouth College
The Pennsylvania State University
Booz Allen & Hamilton
Tennessee Valley Authority
Schering-plough Corporation
Guidant Corporation
University Of Southern California
University Of Wisconsin-madison
Consolidated Edison Co. Of New York
University Of Arizona
Avid Technology Inc
Washington State University
Hughes Information Technologies Co
Albany Molecular Research Inc
African Network Information Center
Time Warner
Cirrus Logic Incorporated
Canadian Jewish Congress
Carswell A Division Of Thomson Canada Ltd
The Home Depot Usa Inc
Idaho State University
Ascentis Software
America Online Inc
Boston University
Vanderbilt University Medical Center
Gvm Northwestern Universiy
Yale University
Nvidia
Capitol College
Thomson Financial Services
University Of Phoenix
Gonzaga University
University Of Pittsburgh
Maximus Inc
Continuous Electronic Beam Accelerator Facility (sura/cebaf)
Institut De Recherches Cliniques De Montreal
National Instruments Corporation
University Of Colorado
Southwest Texas State University
University Of Connecticut
University Of Texas At Austin
Tucson Newspapers
University Of Illinois At Chicago
Nacco Materials Handling Group Inc
Global Crossing
Utah State University
Ssg/sino
University Of Hawaii
New Mexico Highlands University
Nuveen Investments
National Institutes Of Health
Sciex
You did not look at the map nor how it was made. This is a continuous vector map. Spelling does not matter. The strings are converted into vectors and the map is organized on vector similarity using dynamic-time warping to normalize the vector lenght. Think what would happen if I used speech synthesis to make a waveform and then mapped the wave from to get an idea what I am saying -- obviously the spelling issues go away and what becomes important is how coherent the waveform is, which is what the truth probability tells us. These really are mindpixels. That why I named the project Mindpixel.
What is important about mindpixel is not the symbols. Your brain does not use symbols. What is important is that for every mindpixel I have a measue of semantic coherence. I am mapping a space of semantic coherence, so of course most points in the space with be--wait for it--incoherent! Where do you think nutty ideas come from? From nutty spaces between good ideas.
Mind is a space. Your memories are points in that space. [actually points on a maximum hypersurface] Mindpixel is a db of 1.6 million synthetic memories from which I will be able to simulate behavior that is completely impossible without these measurements.
Mindpixel is high-dimensional tomography of a high-dimensional space.
You'll see immediately if you follow my very public trail, or you can wait until you read it in the news. Your choice.
You can't "own" copyrights, man!
It could become useful if it was better structured and less "funny".
I.e. consider the following statements which _could_ be in the database in a computer readable form.
100% Sky is blue.
95% Grass is green.
5% Grass is blue.
100% Blue is-a color.
100% Green is-a color.
A computer could now give a reasonable answer to a question such as "Does grass have the same color as the sky?": "I'm about 95% certain grass had a different color than the sky".
There is the problem of ambiguity and granularity though, similarly to how we think; to some, grass is all the colors of the rainbow all at once. To some, green and blue are pretty much the same.
Slashdot social media options: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber and Mobile Text. Why no MySpace?
Listen my hostile little friend, read some science instead of ranting. Here's some things that will help you smooth your jagged idea of mind:
This is most important [but I suspect you cannot handle the ideas naked, so I will paste some easy-reading help below]:
Online Algorithm for the Self-Organizing Map of Symbol Strings [PDF]
Self-Organizing Maps
Dynamic-time warping
Umm, you had a post on slashdot. I wouldn't be surprised if you had employees 90% of the corporations and universities in the US on their within 2 hours. You could have the same if they linked to a 404 error on your server. It doesn't mean anything either way about your project.
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
Conventional spell checks may be better however spelling is not a natural thing for the brain. The mind is continuous. That was the point of Spivey. Spelling is a bad idea. It doesn't matter. Humnas can understand independent of spelling. It is computers that have problems with spelling.
Now that you have gone through the trouble of actually reading some science, you are on your way to understanding how the space in your head functions.
What you should understand is what the dynamic-time warping does - it effectively normailzes the vectors so that they can be matched against each other. That means that the vectors are actually on the surface of a unit hypersphere.
So every mindpixel maximally load immediate memory and each a point on the hypersurface. Do you care to guess how many dimensions at which hypersurface is maximum? Seven. Exactly the digit span of human immediate memory under load [it is four minimally loaded].
To reconstruct human semantic space, all we need do is convert the semantic coherence I measured for nearly 2 million widly distributed points on the maximum hypersurface to range between -1.0 and 1.0 and then multiply each vector by that value and cluster them by vector similarity. Doing so would give a map of human semantic coherence. You could pick any point on the map and convert the vector to symbols easily. But far more interesting is to take an arbitrary proposition, convert it to a vector and interpolate the estimated human semantic coherence. Doing so would allow a machine to respond in a human like fashion to arbitrary propositions. That my friend would be true AI.
Or in short: take your pedantic spelling and shove it.
http://mail.psychedelic-library.org/show.cfm?posti d=8020&row=27
I was on LSD when I figured out the geometry of mind as Crick was when he figured out the geometry of DNA.
Copyright 2004 Associated Newspapers Ltd.
Mail on Sunday (London)
August 8, 2004
FRANCIS CRICK, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under
the influence of LSD when he first deduced the double-helix structure of
DNA nearly 50 years ago.
The abrasive and unorthodox Crick and his brilliant American co-researcher
James Watson famously celebrated their eureka moment in March 1953 by
running from the now legendary Cavendish Laboratory in Cambridge to the
nearby Eagle pub, where they announced over pints of bitter that they had
discovered the secret of life.
Crick, who died ten days ago, aged 88, later told a fellow scientist that
he often used small doses of LSD then an experimental drug used in
psychotherapy to boost his powers of thought. He said it was LSD, not the
Eagle's warm beer, that helped him to unravel the structure of DNA, the
discovery that won him the Nobel Prize.
Despite his Establishment image, Crick was a devotee of novelist Aldous
Huxley, whose accounts of his experiments with LSD and another
hallucinogen, mescaline, in the short stories The Doors Of Perception and
Heaven And Hell became cult texts for the hippies of the Sixties and
Seventies. In the late Sixties, Crick was a founder member of Soma, a
legalise-cannabis group named after the drug in Huxley's novel Brave New
World. He even put his name to a famous letter to The Times in 1967 calling
for a reform in the drugs laws.
It was through his membership of Soma that Crick inadvertently became the
inspiration for the biggest LSD manufacturing conspiracy-the world has ever
seen the multimillion-pound drug factory in a remote farmhouse inWales that
was smashed by the Operation Julie raids of the late Seventies.
Crick's involvement with the gang was fleeting but crucial. The revered
scientist had been invited to the Cambridge home of freewheeling American
writer David Solomon a friend of hippie LSD guru Timothy Leary who had come
to Britain in 1967 on a quest to discover a method for manufacturing pure
THC, the active ingredient of cannabis.
It was Crick's presence in Solomon's social circle that attracted a
brilliant young biochemist, Richard Kemp, who soon became a convert to the
attractions of both cannabis and LSD. Kemp was recruited to the THC project
in 1968, but soon afterwards devised the world's first foolproof method of
producing cheap, pure LSD. Solomon and Kemp went into business,
manufacturing 'acid' in a succession of rented houses before setting up
their laboratory in a cottage on a hillside near Tregaron, Carmarthenshire,
in 1973. It is estimated that Kemp manufactured drugs worth Pounds
2.5million an astonishing amount in the Seventies before police stormed the
building in 1977 and seized enough pure LSD and its constituent chemicals
to make two million LSD 'tabs'.
The arrest and conviction of Solomon, Kemp and a string of co-conspirators
dominated the headlines for months. I was covering the case as a reporter
at the time and it was then that I met Kemp's close friend, Garrod Harker,
whose home had been raided by police but who had not been arrested. Harker
told me that Kemp and his girlfriend Christine Bott by then in jail were
hippie idealists who were completely uninterested in the money they were
making.
They gave away thousands to pet causes such as the Glastonbury pop festival
and the drugs charity Release.
'They have a philosophy,' Harker told me at the time. 'They believe
industrial society will collapse when the oil runs out and that the answer
is to change people's mindsets using acid. They believe LSD can h