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Iris Recognition To Take Off

An anonymous reader writes "Looks like iris recognition is about to explode. Turns out, a major patent held by iris recognition leader Iridian is expiring, and that's leading a stampede of start-ups and VCs into this space."

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  1. Patents and innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A patent exipry causing a boom in company startups and innovation - say it ain't so. Are there any legislators out there paying attention to stories like this?

    1. Re:Patents and innovation by ThreeE · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You are not clear on cause and effect here. If Xerox didn't expect to get the patents they did, the tech would never have been developed, implemented, and/or marketed. And yes, marketed. Often, that's the most expensive and difficult part.

      "Tear shedders" like you are simply nuts wanting a free ride on other's hard work. You probably are a heavy user of P2P networks to illegally copy copyrighted work and live in some pirate haven in Asia. Someday you'll actually have to learn how to create value -- like Xerox and Microsoft did.

      To say Bill Gates doesn't deserve all the money he as gotten bespoils the name of a great entrepreneur. But hey, this is slashdot and reality doesn't count. I'm sure it's Bush's fault too.

    2. Re:Patents and innovation by sonamchauhan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're welcome and your civitility is appreciate. My answers/added comments are:

      1) Because it is unfair. And because it deals with "handheld scanners -- the type security patrolmen might use at a stadium or airport."

      2) A monopolist (not evil in itself) convicted of unfair trade practises

      3) No, you support the USPTO granting unfair patents, and gave Bush a bad name by dragging his name into the conversation.

      4)
      4.1) Granting a patent on current and future embodiments of automating an existing manual process is ridiculous.

      4.2) Their first patent does not restrict itself and has absurdly limitless boundaries - it says their "invention be limited not by the specific disclosure herein, but only by the appended claims" - claims like claim 10 below, which are so broad as to cover all current and future embodiments:

      This is CLAIM 10:
      "10. The method of claim 1 in which comparing the obtained image with stored image information comprises deriving a set of descriptors of at least the iris portion of the obtained image and comparing the derived descriptors with stored reference descriptors derived from a previous image for identifying the person."
      This is CLAIM 1:
      "1. A method of identification of a person, comprising:
      storing image information of at least a portion of the iris and pupil of the person's eye;
      illuminating an eye, of an unidentified person having an iris and a pupil;
      obtaining at least one image of at least the same portion of the iris and pupil of the eye of the unidentified person; and
      comparing at least the iris portion of the obtained image with the stored image information to identify the unidentified person."


      4.3) I don't know which ellipsis you speak of

  2. Re:You've gotta admit... by ThreeE · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Such insight...

    Companies will not invest in the necessary R&D without some guarantee of exclusivity for some period of time.

    But you knew that -- you're just bitter.

  3. Iris vs Retina by vossman77 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Are we talking Iris or Retina here?

    Because I've never heard of using the Iris and don't know anything about its uniqueness. Where the retina is easily scanned and heavily researched.

    Anybody know more? or is this a typo?

  4. Re:Don't forget... by Lehk228 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    problem: a $5000 DSLR with zoom lens could capture an iris from across the street.

    i would prefer that it cost more than $5000 to steal smallpox virus

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  5. Re:Iris Recognition by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Iris recognition proves beyond reasonable doubt, that you are who you claim you are.

    Iris scanning proves beyond a reasonable doubt that your eye matches information in a row in a database. The information in that row may or may not match you.

  6. Re:Iris no thanks by PWatson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here you go: Malaysia car thieves steal finger
    With better scanners that can tell the difference between live and dead fingers, this might have been prevented. Of course, that would depend on the bad guys knowing that it wouldn't work...

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  7. Re:You've gotta admit... by ThreeE · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Moving past the a.h. attack...

    These small companies -- why wouldn't they just patent the results of their efforts? Why exactly do patent laws favor size? I have a small number of patents that I paid for as an individual. They aren't going to make me millions, but submitting and getting a patent doesn't have any size barrier(s).

    So seriously, what was your point?

  8. Actually your iris does change with your health by crovira · · Score: 2, Interesting

    for example, an untreated diabetics' eyes show some filaments that will disappear when he starts geting treatment.

    And diabetes is only one disease which affects the patterns which can be detected in the iris. Many other diseases affect both the radial disposition and the radial pattern. The medical books are filled with disease effects on the eyes.

    While iris scanning for recognition is useless, it IS extremely useful as a diagnostic tool in medecine.

    For personal identification, you would want to scan the blood vessels in the retina. Those are relatively more stable under a wider range of biological conditions.

    But the eyes is a bag of watery tissue. Its subject to varying degrees deformation under a wide variety of physical and bioogical conditions.

    How would you like to be refused admision to your work place when all you did was eat some food containing some mono sodium glutemate for lunch? It that easy to screw your patterns.

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  9. Re:Don't forget... by forkazoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What I want is a fingerprint scanner, where you have to scan all your fingers, but the order you put your fingers on the pads would be a sort of 'pin code,' which you could change. Make all fingerprint scanners be sold with a protective hood, so nobody can see what order you use. If some criminal ever chops off your hand, just use the other one to phone in (or use voice dial), to change the pin before then can buy a TV.

    You have the security of revocability, but the convenience of never accidentally losing your "card" (except in extreme cases of accident.)

  10. cool, but unreliable by tri44id · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It's worth remembering that while any reputable website requires usernames to be unique and passwords to be half a dozen or more characters long, with a chance of guessing of less than 1 in several billion, biometrics are far less reliable.

    One of the more broadly applicable studies, performed for the UK Passport Office (reports downloadable from http://www.passport.gov.uk/publications.asp) with just over 10,000 participants, found that 1 in 10 British Citizens were unable to even successfully enroll their iris patterns into the system. And afterwards, the system couldn't confirm that 5% of the participants were still the same person.

    A facial recognition system was even less reliable, but nevertheless the goverment is going ahead with deployment in every passport.

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  11. Re:Iris Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Iris recognition proves beyond reasonable doubt, that you are who you claim you are.
    Iris scanning proves beyond a reasonable doubt that your eye matches information in a row in a database. The information in that row may or may not match you.
    Good point, but you can go even further: iris scanning proves beyond a reasonable doubt that a stream of bits coming from what is hopefully the appropriate sensor matches information in a row in a database.

    Even if the bits did come from the proper sensor, it may be not be seeing what it thinks it is seeing. An interesting property of inverse optics is that it is unsolvable: while there is only one way any given scene can produce an image on a given camera, an infinite number of scenes could have produced any given camera image. Imagine long objects that happen to be viewed end-on, rows of objects that happen to be lined up directly behind one another, objects pigmented to obscure or simulate spurious edges, various disguises, perspective tricks, and the rest of the optical illusionist's bag of tricks. Our own eyes, and the cameras they lead us to design, must make the assumption that the world is (usually) not deliberately trying to fool us. Security devices need to be more careful.

  12. Argument against patents by pavera · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The whole article basically sums up why patents don't work as intended. And I'm not talking about software patents, all patents. This field could have been huge 10 years ago, generating billions of dollars and furthering innovation. The supposed purpose of patents is to foster innovation and invention, alas, patents just stymie innovation for 20 years until they expire.

    If as I've said before patents lasted 3 years, maybe 5 at the very most, they would probably be a good thing, in 3 years Iridian would have been able to establish itself as a market leader, and every newcomer to the field would most likely license their stuff anyway (under copyright, or some other license generated by the company). Instead it takes 20 years to get an iris scanner on my laptop, or built into a security system at my house? Those things should have been done in 92.