Slashdot Mirror


RockStar Speaks

JamesO writes "The alleged sex mini-game on the GTA San Andreas game disc, unlocked using the "Hot Coffee" mod, has been the news story of the week. Several investigations are now underway to determine if the allegations are true. Having kept pretty quiet on this issue, Rockstar has issued a statement clarifying their situation. Meanwhile, in Britain, GTA San Andreas was released with a BBFC rating of 18 in the UK, which makes it illegal to sell the game to anyone under the age of 18. The BBFC has stated that, as a result it does not feel they need to take any action, even if the sex mini game claims are found to be true. Such content would not require the game to be reclassified as it would in other territories where the game had not received a strict adult only rating."

18 of 156 comments (clear)

  1. GTA Ratings by ZephyrXero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm kind of surprised that GTA 3,VC &SA didn't get AO ratings anyway. I'd think brutal violence would be worth a higher rating than a little sex scene...but some people have f*cked up moral priorities...

    --
    "A truly wise man realizes he knows nothing."
    1. Re:GTA Ratings by Phisbut · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm kind of surprised that GTA 3,VC &SA didn't get AO ratings anyway. I'd think brutal violence would be worth a higher rating than a little sex scene...but some people have f*cked up moral priorities...

      Agreed. Especially as the screenshots of the hack show the participants fully clothed. Extremely juvenile, not particularly erotic, and overall pretty silly.

      People, people... let's not forget that this is happening in the country where the showing of Ms. Jackson's nipple for about half a second on public TV made everybody scream bloody murder. I mean... we all know that seeing a nipple will make all our kids go out and have unprotected sex, right?

      If showing a single nipple is worse than hours and hours and hours of violence on TV, imagine what a cartoonish sex scene is worse than...

      --
      After 3 days without programming, life becomes meaningless
      - The Tao of Programming
    2. Re:GTA Ratings by bigman2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So why do you spell out words like 'brutal' and 'violence' but self-censor 'fucked'?

      --
      No reason to lie.
    3. Re:GTA Ratings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      no actually it upset a very small very vocal minority.

      most people didnt give a shit then, and still dont now

      so stop grouping america as all uptight about sex. when in reality it is a very small very vocal group of people. most people simply dont care.

  2. its funny how... by jolande · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The most bizarre part of this whole story is how some people find sex the most objectionable part of the game.

    1. Re:its funny how... by Jim+Hall · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree. Allow me to re-post a comment I made the other day about this topic:

      I had a conversation about this topic with a guy on the bus the other day (he saw me with my GBA, asked me about gaming, then jumped right to the GTA thing.) This guy said that he was upset about "those game guys" (Rockstar) selling a game like that, with sex and stuff in it. He said he was really worried about his 12-yr-old son, who plays the game on his XBox.

      My response: people are trying to get GTA:SA moved up to a "Adult Only" (AO) rating. That means 18 and over. But it's already got a "Mature" (M) rating. So kids under 17 shouldn't be playing it anyway, and did he know that before he bought it? (Emphasis mine.) The guy got real quiet after that.

      I wonder how many parents just bought this game for their kids because it was "hot", not realizing what the game was about, or even checking the rating.

      (Disclaimer: I loved GTA3, got bored in GTA:VC, haven't gotten GTA:SA yet.)

    2. Re:its funny how... by sgant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Welcome to America. A place where showing a nipple on TV makes the biggest uproar in years yet anything violent is basically ignored.

      I see this turning into this years "Nipple-Gate".

      --

      "Leo Fender was in a 'state of grace' when he designed the Stratocaster." -- Paul Reed Smith
    3. Re:its funny how... by jclast · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even if parents are ignoring the rating system (which they obviously are), the name of the game is Grand Theft Auto; you know, the name of a fairly substantial crime (in the US, I don't know what other countries call stealing cars). I know I won't be buying my hypothetical 7 year old Attempted Arson: Phoenix or Solicitation: Salt Lake City. In what universe does Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas sound like a wholesome game?

      --
      e2 | LJ
    4. Re:its funny how... by Stigmata669 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I really don't think that's the issue here. The violence which is IMHO much much much worse than this sex mini game was previously advertised and people "knew" what they were buying their children. The scandal here arises from the fact that the irresponsible parent who bought the game for their child wasn't advised that in addition to beating up hookers their child could be exposed to slightly graphic depictions of sleeping with them too. Either way the priorities are way out of whack, but it's more a case of a 'feature' appearing without being advertised than a feature being objectionable compared to the rest of the game.

      --
      Yawn.
  3. Why take it out? by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Personally I think this whole uproar has done nothing but sell more copies of GTA:SA. Someone might have been thinking about it before, and now the novelty of being able to have sex in a video game might just convince them to buy it. The idea that it's rebellious and angers adults only makes kids want to play it more.

    Personally, I think the whole thing is a non-issue that's being stirred up by a few crazies who would like to see games banned. The game is rated M in America and shouldn't be sold to anyone under 17. The AO rating just bumps that up to 18. Anyone who's playing this game has more than likely seen porn on the internet, TV, or in a magazine that was more hardcore than the silly minigame you'd find in GTA:SA.

    I'd be willing to make a bet with anyone that if the next GTA game was released with an AO rating that included some sexual material like the "hot coffee" mod and an M rating lacking said content, that the AO rated version would sell more copies if distributed almost as widely as the M version.

  4. Grain of Salt by travail_jgd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Reading the press release, it has a lot of doubletalk and (IMHO) never actually denies that the material was included. TFA just makes it sound like eeeeevil hackers went to a lot of trouble on their own.

    How hard would it have been to explicitly say "This wasn't in the game, and all of it is user-created material"? (Making the assumption that the sex minigame wasn't just commented out).

  5. I don't get it... by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Several investigations are now underway to determine if the allegations are true.

    C'mon, we're not talking about finding the Loch Ness Monster or reading the Dead Sea Scrolls! The respective claims of Rockstar and the 1337 h4x0rs are so far apart it doesn't seem like this would be a difficult question to settle objectively...

    1. Re:I don't get it... by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, both groups maintain that the minigame isn't accessible through unmodified GTA, so what's the problem? Suppose I created a movie where there is a blinking LED that just happens to spell out some obscenities in binary (the exact blinking pattern isn't part of the plot). That alone won't affect the ratings of that movie, will it? So why should something in GTA that you only get through a mod affect the rating of the original game?

      It makes about as much sense as changing a game's rating just because someone made a nudie patch for it, and instead of changing the clothing textures the patch simply prevented the clothing from being rendered. Do we change the rating because the characters were naked under the clothes that they always wear?

  6. News Story of the Week? by ndansmith · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The alleged sex mini-game on the GTA San Andreas game disc, unlocked using the "Hot Coffee" mod, has been the news story of the week.

    Maybe that is a bit of an overstatement.

  7. Why is this even a question anymore? by bluephone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why can't someone merely analyse the patch to see exactly what it contains? I mean, if it's got extra content in it despite what the author says, that should be easily detectable (such as size of the patch, the inclusion of new graphics and/or sounds). If it's nothing but a code patch with no new content, than it's definitively something unlocked from within the game. Unless of course San Andreas has OTHER areas in which the dialog spoken (and moaned) in this scene is also used. This is an honest question, as I don't have nor care to play the game.

    And frankly, even if it is in the game, Rockstar purposefully locked it away. They can't be hend responsible for someone else breaking in anymore than a gun onwer can't be held liable if someone blasted their way into a locked gunsafe. If some 14 year old kid breaks into a porn shop by smashing open a door or wall, it's the intruder's fault he was exposed to porn, not the store's.

    --
    jX [ Make everything as simple as possible, but no simpler. - Einstein ]
  8. Dumb Article by rherbert · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From TFA:
    This statement goes against what the modder responsible for "Hot Coffee" has said, claiming the sex mini-game was merely made available using the patch and no additional content was added.
    From Rockstar:
    hackers created the 'hot coffee' modification by disassembling and then combining, recompiling and altering the game's source code.
    I don't see how what Rockstar said "goes against" what the modder said. Rockstar doesn't say that the modder added content, they said he combined, recompiled, and altered the game's source, which is what you would need to do to make the game take an alternate path into the mini-game.
    1. Re:Dumb Article by Fr05t · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah I noticed the same thing. Basically it's a round about way of making what the modder did seem "illegal", confusing the non informed reader (the people upset about this), and giving the appearance of this being something which was added by a 3rd party.

      The sad part is this is an easier sell to the groups all up in arms about this than being up front and honest.

      1 - It's for people age 17+. I don't think too many parents with a 17 year old would be upset about the actual content unlocked by the mod.

      2 - a 3rd party made this content available, not rockstar.

      3 - THERE IS NO DAMN NUDETY IN THE GAME! Some screen shots can be found here : http://www.gtasanandreas.net/news/single.php?id=14 69

      Anyway I'm not a big fan of people running around suing everyone, but if it does in fact turn out this "mod" added content - Rockstar should take the punk to town.

      It's just too bad they aren't releasing another GTA soon, because this publicity is priceless

  9. Re: Treason Nipples by mabu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All of this is a big smokescreen to cover up truly newsworthy events the media is trying to ignore.