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New Way to Make Hydrogen

zymano writes "Hydrogen is expensive to make and difficult to store. The most common way in making hydrogen is electrolyzing pure water. A new startup is trying a new way to make hydrogen. The process uses sodium which industry shuns because it generates sparks and heat when mixed with water. Signa has devised a way to mix sodium with silica gel or crystalline silicon to create a powder that essentially strips electrons from the sodium molecules in advance and stores them. When water is introduced, the chemical reaction proceeds calmly. The powder generates hydrogen efficiently. More than 9 percent of a kilogram of the powder gets converted to hydrogen and little energy is lost through heat."

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  1. Misleading post and bad article by orzetto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The idea is not producing hydrogen with sodium as an energy source. There is no pure sodium whatsoever around, it's too reactive (same reason there is no hydrogen in the atmosphere).

    So, instead of buying methanol cartridges, we would buy sodium sticks, put some water in a small tank in our laptop, and this would produce hydrogen and power for the machine.

    Furthermore, the most common way of producing hydrogen is not electrolysis, but reforming of hydrocarbons (oil and natural gas), which is done on an industrial scale in any refinery.

    The article itself has a good number of inaccuracies. For instance, other than the electrolysis thing, you read:

    9 percent of a kilogram of the powder gets converted to hydrogen

    This is insane. The powder does not get converted to hydrogen, the water does. And still I'm afraid a unit error may be lurking.

    The PEM fuel cells are not a way to store hydrogen, but a way to convert it to electricity; the solid oxide fuel cells will never be used in vehicles, since they are expensive, running at temperatures up to 1000 degrees, good only for large-scale plants, and brittle. And they take 8 hours to start up, and they can start up only so many times before they start cracking (about ten).

    Did you know that hydrogen is a greenhouse gas?

    Oh my, did they know that hydrogen is extremely reactive, and will burn with oxygen at the first occasion? You don't even need a spark, all it takes is the static electricity of a windy day. CO2 accumulates, hydrogen would disappear rapidly.

    Methanol is flammable

    Of course it is. It contains energy. There is no such thing as an energy carrier that does not contain some sort of danger. It would not be much of an energy carrier if it were inert. So, gasoline burns, hydrogen burns, nuclear goes bad big time, methanol burns, and lithium batteries explode if you hammer them or if they are produced with poor standards.

    oxide fuel cells require a catalyst

    Solid oxide fuel cells do not require a catalyst. They are the only ones that do not, since they operate at high temperatures. Assuming the article meant SOFC.

    Hydrogen fuel cells produced with the company's powers could also run a car, although not particularly economically in the foreseeable future.

    Common misconception, hydrogen costs about 0.8 euro per gasoline liter equivalent: in Europe that's already way convenient. It's the infrastructure that's missing.

    "That side of the periodic table people tend to ignore," he said.

    Alkaline metals being ignored? Of all the bullshit... they might not be C, O or even Al, but most know sodium better than technetium, praseodimiun or some transition metal forgotten somewhere in the limbo of rare earths.

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  2. Re:Wow. by ErikTheRed · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You might want to check out http://unitednuclear.com/h2.htm, which is their R & D page
    You might want to check out BMW, who has built some 7-series dual-fuel (hydrogen / gasoline) cars on a production line, albeit in very small quantities (I believe a dozen or two). They have two tanks, and can switch between hydrogen and gasoline seamlessly while the car is running / being driven.

    They are also using solar power to create the hydrogen - they have an experimental plant in the Mojave desert, here in California.

    The cool thing is that this is a functional, buildable product created by a major car manufacturer. As soon as the hydrogent fuel supply infrastructure exists, they could start cranking these out more or less immediately. If a driver gets stuck in an area where no H2 fueling stations exist, it runs just fine on old-fashioned gasoline. For more information, see their website.
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  3. Re:Fossil Fuels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Coming from a country where a sizeable percentage of energy is generated by wind mills..

    - We don't put them right next to places where migrating birds are known to stop. There are no problems with dead birds - they avoid the mills, but it wouldn't do to upset them.
    - LF and interference; They are noisy yes, but the LF/interference thing is tinfoil-hat stuff.
    - They are ugly; yup. So are smokestacks.

    Anyway. Trials are underway to stuff carbon back into the drilling holes instead of releasing it into the air. That shuld keep oil and natural gas CO2 emmission close to zero for power plants.

  4. Re:who's electrolysing water? by Green+Salad · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...and then keep building monstrosities of excess like the Hummer 2...

    Your mostly right, except it's called the H2H for the hydrogen version of the Hummer. (See www.hummer.com and click "Hydrogen Hummer" for a video of the governator of Kalifornia endorsing it.)