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Unsealed SCO Email Reveals Linux Code is Clean

rm69990 writes "In a recently unsealed email in the SCO vs. IBM case, it appears that an outside consultant, hired by SCO in 2002, failed to find copyright violations in the Linux Kernel. This was right around the time Darl McBride, who has before been hired by litigious companies as CEO, was hired. It appears that before SCO even began its investigation, they were hoping to find a smoking gun, not believing that Linux could possibly not contain Unix code. Apparently, they ignored the advice of this consultant."

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  1. Reveals Darl McBride is Dirty by nokilli · · Score: 5, Funny
    Quoting Darl McBride:
    "We're finding...cases where there is line-by-line code in the Linux kernel that is matching up to our UnixWare code... we're finding code that looks likes it's been obfuscated to make it look like it wasn't UnixWare code--but it was."
    Quoting George Bush:
    "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
    I want to pre-answer the next "Ask Slashdot" question: How do you build a bullshit detector? Well, you get a cardboard box, and you get a magic marker. You use the magic marker to draw a dial on the box where one end is labeled TRUE and the other end is labeled BULLSHIT.

    Then you draw a needle on the dial that points to BULLSHIT.

    Then whenever you hear anybody on the TV who has the word 'CHIEF' or 'EXECUTIVE' or 'OFFICER' in their title, you point the box at the TV and there's your answer.

    (also works with radio, newspapers and the Internet. Patent Pending of course.)
    1. Re:Reveals Darl McBride is Dirty by nokilli · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It isn't unrelated. Why do you think people like Darl McBride feel that they can get away with shit like this?

      Because that's the example that's been set at the top.

    2. Re:Reveals Darl McBride is Dirty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Holy crap it works, you should patent it.

    3. Re:Reveals Darl McBride is Dirty by rocker_wannabe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Get real! It's not all BULLSHIT! Some of it is just plain lies!

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    4. Re:Reveals Darl McBride is Dirty by brandido · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry to get off topic here, but I cannot let such a pathetic comparison stand.

      Are you seriously saying that since Clinton lied about getting a blowjob, it is OK that the Bush administration lied about intelligence to justify going to war? Don't forget, Clinton got impeached for his lie by the House, but not convicted by the Senate. Given the fact that the repurcussions of Bush's lie is so much greater (we are at fucking war and there was no uranium purchased from Africa, no WMDs, no connection to 9/11), shouldn't the consequences be greater? Maybe Impeachment, Conviction and Jail time? I would say one day for each death that has occurred during the Iraq war - that should work out to between 30 to 300 years.

      Sorry to not have much of a sense of humor about this, but the repurcussions of this lie are just too tragic and painful.

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  2. Interesting by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It appears that before SCO even began its investigation, they were hoping to find a smoking gun, not believing that Linux could possibly not contain Unix code. Apparently, they ignored the advice of this consultant."

    Gee, that sounds familiar. Seems to be a popular strategy in both business and *cough*cough*cough, government these days. Seriously though, this is a model that does appear to have some traction in a variety of fields in that if you press your case hard enough, and you convince enough of the right people, there is ground to be gained from simply sticking to your guns no matter what the reality happens to be. In my business, when you have a theory, you design an experiment to test it and collect data in an attempt to disprove that theory. When the data supports the theory, then you are golden. The way NOT to run business, science (or government) is to come up with a theory (or a desire) and then try to fit the evidence to support what you want. This of course is exactly what has happened with the SCO case, a couple of other business debacles in the news recently and interestingly, in the hunt for WMD in Iraq.

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    1. Re:Interesting by the_mighty_$ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      this is a model that does appear to have some traction in a variety of fields in that if you press your case hard enough, and you convince enough of the right people, there is ground to be gained from simply sticking to your guns no matter what the reality happens to be

      Important note: whenever a business/government tries this horrible tactic, they always fail. SCO's case is (has) colapsed, people all around the world view the US government as untrustworthy, etc. Sometimes it takes a while, but they always lose in the end.

      News stories like this are just a nice reminder to everyone not to try tactics like this.

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  3. Yet more proof by WilliamSChips · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yet more proof that the Googlebomb calling SCO "litigious bastards" is correct.

    Maybe now the case will be dismissed...

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  4. Making Sure The Guilty Pay Their Price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As SCO continues to desintigrate, it is import to keep an eye those responsible who worked there as they try to find their way back into the respectable computing world.

    No one should be able to participate in a sickeningly slezy shakedown like SCO tried to pull off and just wash their hands and pretend it never happended.

    Of course not everyone associated with SCO is guilty of sleaze but keeping an eye out for key SCO people and either making sure they don't get hired or at least making it known to companies that would think of hiring the scumbags it isn't worth the bad press/karma.

  5. Don't get your hopes up... by James+A.+D.+Joyce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...as much as I'd love for SCO to get their arses handed to them, I wouldn't get excited until their suit is actually thrown out of court.

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  6. advice to McBride.... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 5, Funny


    Tune in the news and pay attention to the video images of Bernie Edwards going to jail for 25 years. Now, go down to your local "adult" store and buy some lube in preparation for your own date with justice.

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  7. SCO lies.... by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...and in other news, kitten naps.....

  8. Operating systems are Black Magic, Toqueville says by Theovon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I talked at length with that guy from the Toqueville institute. I tried and tried to explain that Linux is just a kernel, only a small part of an OS, and that anyone with a decent CS education is taught everything they need to know to develop a kernel as simple as the first Linux kernel that Linus wrote. I explained that Linux is a social phenomenon more than a technical achievement, because, conceptually, kernels just aren't such a big deal (although debugging them is a hassle, well handled by the 'many eyes' of the community).

    No matter what I said, he was not able to grasp it. He just could not believe that one guy could write an OS kernel. But he really didn't understand what a kernel is either, so that was a bit of a barrier also. The fact that various CS professors had come out and said the same thing didn't faze him.

    Darl McBride is just another non-technical businessman who thinks that operating systems are black magic that only huge teams of people can write. His reasoning leads him to believe that if "one guy" did it, but one guy really couldn't have done it, then he must have copied it. Pure, simple, logical, but unsound in that it completely doesn't account for just how simple or complex a kernel is.

    Just like how some people can't possibly understand how a piston engine works, some people aren't cut out to grok OS kernels. Darl just doesn't have the brains for it. (Plus, his primary motivation is to make money, not actually UNDERSTAND anything.)

  9. Re:The nail in the coffin? by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny
    No, you had it right the first time, it's "F*cking lawyers"..

    Christ Almighty! You mean we're letting them breed???? Have we learned nothing from the Black Death?

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  10. Re:So we like consultants now? by gsfprez · · Score: 5, Informative

    this was ORIGINALLY a lawsuit about the derivative works from a company working with a Unix license that IBM bought.

    what are you talking about? In their first filing,

    http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200407041 70212250

    their first cause of action was "Linux is full of UNIX, which belongs to us"

    First cause of action - (Misappropriation of Trade Secrets--Utah Code Ann. 13-24-1 et seq.)

    this is in reference to their placing UNIX code in linux... read the previous 103 statements to see what they are alleging.

    in their second (and current) complaint, they keep it up!

    http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402070 22922296

    3. A variant or clone of UNIX currently exists in the computer marketplace called "Linux." Linux is, in material part, based upon UNIX source code and methods.

    4. The UNIX software distribution vendors, such as IBM, are contractually and legally prohibited from giving away or disclosing proprietary UNIX source code and methods for external business purposes, such as contributions to Linux, or from otherwise using UNIX for the benefit of others. This prohibition extends to derivative work products that are modifications of, or derivative works based on, UNIX System V source code or technology. IBM is violating this prohibition, en masse, as though no prohibition or proprietary restrictions exist at all with respect to the UNIX technology. As a result of IBM's wholesale disregard of its contractual and legal obligations to SCO, Linux 2.4.x and 2.6.x and the development Linux kernel, 2.5.x, are replete with protected technology. As such, the Linux 2.4.x and Linux 2.5.x and 2.6.x kernels are unauthorized derivatives of UNIX System V.

    the are, have, and continue to claim that Linux is full of Unix, and that its a derivative because IBM put UNIX code in Linux.

    That's the basics of their case, in a few words... they are hiding that contention behind their contracts with IBM. But how did they breach contract with SCO? - SCO alleges that they put UNIX in Linux.

    If there is no illegal UNIX in Linux, then they've not breached any contracts, have they? To have breached contract, they would have had to have infringed on SCO's "UNIX copyrights"

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  11. Hmmmm... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Should I be happy because someone ignored a consultant or sad that they caused so much trouble by doing so? Decisions, decisions...

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  12. ...relax and enjoy by jfengel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dude, you're too focused on ends. Enjoy the process.

    Each day brings a new humilation to Darl McBride. Treasure this moment, because all too soon the case will be thrown out of court and then you won't have Darl to kick around any more.

    So just relax and enoy, and don't be so focused on the final result. (No, your girlfriend didn't pay me to say that.)

  13. Copy of the actual email. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here's the text of the email, courtesy of Groklaw.

    Groklaw is intermittantly slow for me (database problems or whatever) and so I want to make sure this can be read by all.

    I'd have to say this looks pretty damning, all said--it shows they found nothing and persisted anyway... Lovely.


    From: Reg Broughton
    Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:05 PM
    To: Darl McBride
    Subject: Fwd: Re: Patents and IP Investigation

    DARL

    we can probably track down Bob Swartz if you want to dig further. Based on our last conversation, this summary of the code investigation probably closes that discussion.

    This of course does not invalidate any of your statements on Caldera owning the central IP, and being the core provider of key technology and IP over the years into the UNIX and Linux communities.

    REG

    Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:26:51 -0700
    From: Michael Davidson
    Organization: Caldera International
    X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I)
    X-Accept-Language: en
    To: Reg Broughton
    Subject: Re: Patents and IP Investigation

    The actual investigation itself was done by an outside consultant (Bob Swartz) hired by SCO. I worked with him and reviewed his findings.

    My recollection is that Bob produced an initial proposal for the project which outlined the methodology to be used, and he *may* have also provided a final report, but I don't have copies of either.

    The project was a result of SCO's executive management refusing to believe that it was possible for Linux and much of the GNU software to have come into existance without *someone* *somewhere* having copied pieces of proprietary UNIX source code to which SCO owned the copyright. The hope was that we would find a "smoking gun" somwhere in code that was being used by Red Hat and/or the other Linux companies that would give us some leverage. (There was, at one stage, the idea that we would sell licenses to corporate customers who were using Linux as a kind of "insurance policy" in case it turned out that they were using code which infringed our copyright).

    Note that the scope of the project was limited to looking for evidence of copyright infringement (we didn't consider patents because SCO didn't own the rights to any patents, and more general IP issues were just too vague - besides SCO was *sure* that it was going to find evidence of copyright violations which are comparatively straightforward to prove once you have found them)

    An outside consultant was brought in bacause I had alrady voiced the opinion (based on very detailed knowledge of our own source code and a reasonably broad exposure to Linux and other open source projects) that it was a waste of time and that we were not going to find anything.

    Bob worked on the project for (I think) 4 to 6 months during which time he looked at the Linux kernel, and a large number of libraries and utilities and compared them with several different vesrions of AT&T UNIX source code. (Most of this work was automated using tools which were designed to to fuzzy matching and ignore trivial differences in formatting and spelling)

    At the end, we had found absolutely *nothing*. ie no evidence of any copyright infringement whatsoever.

    There is, indeed, a lot of code that is common between UNIX and Linux (all of the X Windows system, for example) but invariably it turned out that the common code was something that both we (SCO) and the Linux community had obtained (legitimately) from some third party.

    md
  14. Re:Operating systems are Black Magic, Toqueville s by Spoing · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I talked at length with that guy from the Toqueville institute. ...

    ... Just like how some people can't possibly understand how a piston engine works, some people aren't cut out to grok OS kernels.

    The problem was, you didn't listen to him. If you did, you would have heard him clearly say;

    "I'm a PR agent. I've been paid to take a position and I am glad to suck up your time as that's what I am paid to do. I get bonus points by looking somewhat reasonable while you loose your composure in an attempt to convince me of something that I have no personal stake in beyond a paycheck."
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  15. Not just the lawsuit by walterbyrd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about:

    - it appears that scox's showing of the code to select journalists, who signed an NDA, was a stunt specifically designed to decieve the public. No wonder there was an NDA.

    - it appears that scox's showing the code in Las Vegas ScoForum, was not just a mistake, it appears to be another possible deception.

    - apparently scox filed the law suit in bad faith, right from the begining.

    - scox letters to 1500 businesses, demanding payment for the scox code in linux, appears to be an attempt at outright extortion.

    - scox execs enriching themselves by selling scox in the high teens appears a blantant stock scam.

    - mcbrides numerous public statements about millions of lines of code, appears to be somewhat less than truthful.

  16. I know what threw them... by Hosiah · · Score: 5, Funny
    Of course Linux code copies Unix code in many places. That's lines that look like:

    #include

    and...

    {

    and...

    }

    as for all the other lines that *don't* match - aha! That's the obfuscated part!

  17. Lose? by StevenMaurer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your comment reminds me of the Simpson's episode where the departing Mafia don says "Remember: In the End, Crime Doesn't Pay", and then gets into his fleet of limos.

    Face facts, SCO was a company whose stock price was floundering. Then Darl came along, ginned up a lawsuit, and multiplied it manyfold. He also got real revenue for the company from "sales" of "licenses" to Microsoft. He's already a multi-millionaire as a result. And despite how slashdot members feel, it's extremely unlikely he'll ever see any jail time.

    Big name spammers are much the same. We may all hate them, but they've done very well by themselves. What's the worst that most have them have seen from their billions of dollars of theft of service? A slap on the wrist.

    Same thing for Bush and Rove. Had either been remotely honorable or honest, Bush wouldn't have won reelection. Tell me, how is is losing?

    Face facts: evil tactics are often winning strategies. Especially because our collective tolerance for corruption is so high (and going higher).