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Slashback tonight brings some corrections, clarifications and updates to previous Slashdot stories, including word from the worlds of corporate patent lawsuits, secretive publishers vs. inquisitive readers in Canada, and the pitiful teachers versus the splendid kids in Pennsylvania. Read on for the details. Sir, this sentence mangling machine is Pl88^74djliivc33mq again! I posted a story earlier this week which scrambled in its summary the facts of the matter. My post, as reader Raymond Fingas points out, said that the "Internet archive ... has been sued by the firm Harding Earley Follmer & Frailey." Fingas was one of several readers (thanks to all!) to correct me on this, writing "According to the linked article that isn't the case; instead they are being sued by Healthcare Advocates, represented by the firm McCarter & English. Further, the article says that Harding Earley Follmer & Frailey is actually being sued along with the Internet Archive.."

Alacritech settles litigation with MSFT and BRCM An anonymous reader writes "Alacritech, Microsoft Corporation and Broadcom Corporation today announced that they have entered into agreements that settle all outstanding disputes between Alacritech and Microsoft, as well as provide Microsoft and Broadcom access to Alacritech's patent portfolio relating to scalable networking. (Previously mentioned on Slashdot here and here.)"

Sir, you have no right to read about your rights. Hobart writes "Richard Stallman has just posted on his personal website a request for his readers to 'Don't Buy Harry Potter Books,' and offered to leak the plot - in protest of the Canadian Supreme Court ruling forbidding the purchasers from reading the books they paid for. A memorable quote in the Times article says '...There is no human right to read.'"

Don'tcha think felony is a bit strong for a few button presses? ZombyHero writes "In a follow-up to a previous story, the 13 high school students from Kutztown, PA charged with felony computer trespassing for violating district usage policy are fighting back. They've hired lawyers have begun talking with the Assistant DA. As a former student of the school, I know that the district is used to getting its way. Hopefully this will knock them down a few notches."

Starship Exeter flies again! An anonymous reader writes "There's a new episode of Starship Exeter, a fan-made feature set in the original series Star Trek universe. The new episode, The Tressaurian Intersection, follows on from The Savage Empire, which was featured on Slashdot before. This time it's better than ever... better than the original series, in fact! You can watch the entire episode online."

Treasure hunts, commence. We've posted quite a few interesting applications for Google's mapping service; now phauly writes "I created an Animated Google Map (with some gnus and mozillas attacking Microsoft office) using Google Maps API. I think it would be easy to create real playable Games on Google Maps. For sharing ideas (and implementations!) I created the Games on Google Maps wiki page. For now some ideas are: risk, freeciv, freecraft, car races on real maps! Feel free to edit the page suggesting/revising/implementing ideas."

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  1. brings some corrections, clarifications...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Isn't that what dupes are for?

  2. Exeter by gbulmash · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This is interesting as a business model (if Paramount doesn't shut them down). Much like PBS they're operating off mostly donations from viewers (who get a behind the scenes DVD as a premium). But if they can get the funding they need to continue profitably and on a reasonable schedule, it shows that the networks/studios can continue shows with large enough fan bases, moving the revenue over to a 'made for DVD' model rather than a broadcast sponsorship model.

    They're not there yet in terms of funding, it seems. But if unfettered fanfic productions could compete, it begs the question of whether the competition would weed out the weak and determine the best as the winner or if it would fracture the support of the fan base so much that no project could obtain sufficient funding.

    1. Re:Exeter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      To make a quick correction to the Slashback, you can't yet watch the whole 2nd Starship Exeter film online; they are releasing it one act a week starting with the teaser two weeks ago, and both last weeks and this weeks this weekend (due to some lost footage).

      Anways, judging from the teaser, Exeter has improved by leaps and bounds from episode one. Being frank, the it takes great effort for me sit through episode one of Starship Exeter (or the first episode of New Voyages for that matter). However, this episode is written by Dennis Bailey, who wrote an episode of The Next Generation (Tin Man, with Gumtu the space snail), and has actual CG effects (as opposed to an AMT model and horrendously bad play-dough dinosaur, not to mention the acting greatly improving.

      And I guess I'll throw in a plug for my other favourite TOS fan film. The next Star Trek: New Voyages episodes will be written by two Deep Space Nine writers (Jack Trevino and Ethan Calk), and the one after that by D.C. Fontana, who wrote 11 original series episodes, six Next Generations, not to mention a load of other great TV show episodes. The fourth episode will also guest star Walter Koenig, whose name is very familier to anybody who has read this far.

      I predict the next few years will see a load of flood of fan films on the net, with some of them possibly even being good.

      -Clinton

  3. Linux Desktop of the Future Follow Up Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The author of the controversial Linux Desktop of the Future essay has posted a follow up article containing clarifications and defying misconceptions.

  4. Re:Oh Gno! by gbulmash · · Score: 4, Funny
    Too bad all you Slashbots won't be reading Harry Potter due to your god's utterences. I'm sure he probably has some nice poetry or something on his site to ease the pain.

    No, but he does have quite the "mad prophet in the desert" hair and beard.

    - G

  5. Taking over the world...One ZIP Code at a time! by MindNumbingOblivion · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I have yet to RTFL, but using the Google Map API to write Risk or Civ style games sounds like a wonderful (and just a little scary) application for megalomaniacs like myself.

    Imagine the complexity one could introduce to the game...Maybe not use individual troops, but use something similar to Axis and Allies, where each piece represents approximately one division/squadron/task force (maybe ships only represent one ship... has been awhile). Lay siege to your hometown, and animate peasants running through the streets.

    Then again, maybe we can adapt Trogdor to play out against SCO's offices...

    --
    #define CLUE 0
    1. Re:Taking over the world...One ZIP Code at a time! by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not just creating games, but one could plot out reenactments of actual battles. It is said the United States has always collected as much detailed information as possible about every battle they've ever engaged in. This could help history classes to get kids interested in past events.

      And then plotitng the settings of books that used real locations as their settings. Simulate the Martian attack from Woking to London, or from Grover's Mill to New York City, and sync it up with multimedia.

      --
      Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
    2. Re:Taking over the world...One ZIP Code at a time! by CptNerd · · Score: 2, Funny

      I just want a small island in the South Pacific: Australia!

      --
      By the taping of my glasses, something geeky this way passes
  6. When someone puts up a website... by John+Seminal · · Score: 5, Interesting
    That is their property. Nobody has a right to take a snapshot of it, store it, or recreate it.

    Or do we need patents on website content? Copywrites? Or can we trust people to not steal?

    For example, say there is a college kid who really likes beer and porn. He likes it so much, he sets up a website that becomes popular, it lists different beers, and reviews porn. One drunken night, this college kid uses his cell phone to take a couple low resolution pictures of himself having sex, and he puts it up.

    A few years pass, somehow he graduates and starts looking for work. Someone tells him that his website comes up when googled, and that might not be the best thing when it comes for finding work.

    So the guy pulls the plug. beerandporn dot com dies. Or did it? It seems others liked his hobby as well, and downloaded all the content, and started hosting it. Problem is, google now links to these new sites, with his face and work for the world to see.

    Should this guy have a right to erase his past creations?

    I'll give one more example. A woman who is 26 years old has 2 kids, and no skills. She got knocked up by a bum. Now she is working in a grocery store, as a check out clerk for $7 an hour, not enough to feed and cloth her family.

    She starts up a website where she gets naked. She is making good money, and she manages to make enough to get a nicer place to live, feed her kids, and go to college. A couple years later, she takes down the website. She has a good job. But someone decides to put the content back up. Her kids are now 13 years old. Her employeer also knows how to use google. Should people judge her based on who she used to be, what she did to survive within a specific context of existance?

    If someone wants to put up a website, they have that right. But it appears that people don't have a right to remove their content from circulation. That is the problem.

    The great thing about life is people can change, they can move away to a new community, they can start over. The internet in some ways is making that impossible. It is like jobs that do credit checks, to work as a secretary they want to know how much money you owe, and if you paid it off on time.

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    Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."

    1. Re:When someone puts up a website... by ColaMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Should this guy have a right to erase his past creations?

      Not any more. Semantics aside, it was publicly broadcast at the time. The world doesn't work like Outlook and its "Recall Message" feature, as much as you would appear to wish it did. People create history as they go through life.... or would you prefer some 1984-esque alternative?

      Perhaps he should have lived by the old axiom of "Never say something that you wouldn't want repeated in court."

      --

      You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike.
      There is a lot of hype here.
    2. Re:When someone puts up a website... by SiliconEntity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your right to forget your past ends at my mind. No one has the right to make other people forget things.

    3. Re:When someone puts up a website... by zaxios · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When someone puts up a website... That is their property. Nobody has a right to take a snapshot of it, store it, or recreate it.

      Um, do you realise that just by visiting a webpage, a copy of it is transferred from the server to your computer, and then cached by your browser? That amounts to taking a snapshot of it, storing it, and, if you use your back button, recreating it.

      A more legitimate question would be if people such as Google or archive.org are allowed to redistribute content it finds on sites, which is what it does by showing you its cached versions of those sites.

    4. Re:When someone puts up a website... by booyabazooka · · Score: 5, Insightful
      When you release something to the public, you DON'T have a right to take it out of circulation. To use an analogy-

      You're viewing a website like a poster that you put up on your front door. Of course, a year later you have the right to take that down, and no one should be allowed to forcably place that back on your door.

      But the web doesn't work that way. When I put up a website, I'm not putting up a poster; I'm setting up a news stand and handing out copies to everyone who walks by. Do I have a right to take back all of those papers I handed out, and disallow every person who took one from showing it to somebody else?

    5. Re:When someone puts up a website... by Mac+Degger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "But it appears that people don't have a right to remove their content from circulation"

      Sure they do; the problem is one of theory and practice. In practice, it's like Linus once said: "real men don't backup; they upload the contents of their RAID array to an ftp server and let the whole world mirror their data!" (yeah, I know I mangled the quote :)). Online data has a habit of sticking around.

      I think what you have highlighted is one more problem which technology brings, alongside of the benefits. But that's life. For the web to work like everyone wants it to, mirroring of data/websites is incredibly usefull. What should have sufficed in this case was aa simple e-mail to google asking for the data to be deleted, followed by google asking for a passport picture or some other form of verification followed by the removal of the data.
      How this got to a lawsuit is beyond me...I wouldn't be surprised if it's due to the litigious atmosphere and a direct lack of gentlemanlyness on the part of the claimant, coupled by money-grubbingness of same.

      But back to the underlying issue: if you want a fast and filled internet, data mirroring is what you'll have to accept; 'deleting' data has in this case been neccesstated into an opt-out affair. Which is fine by me, in this case.

      And as an extra: you should always be aware of the consequences of your action, which is why I've never been in porn :P

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      -- Waht? Tehr's a preveiw buottn?
    6. Re:When someone puts up a website... by Sage+Gaspar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When a woman poses for Playboy, does she have the right to censor herself out of back issues?

      Yeah, it sucks, but you can't magic yourself out of every situation on the internet any more than you can in physical reality.

    7. Re:When someone puts up a website... by mc_barron · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here's the fundamental problem to all of your anecdotes: they involve someone who regrets a past decision. The results of their decision was willingly made publically available. Now they regret their actiona. Two words: tough shit. Everyone has a history, everything must be viewed in context.

      Here's an example: presidential candidate was a member of the KKK in his early years, but has since disassociated himself from the klan. Now he wants to make it illegal for the newspaper to publish his old rantings on race.

      I don't know about you, but I sure as HELL want the REAL history of people I know/employ/vote for, not some crazy hazy version that they molded themselves. The ability to change history is the ability to lie...and people don't have the right to lie.

    8. Re:When someone puts up a website... by damiam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You still own copyright to anything you create. You may not be able to force other people to delete their copies (if they legitimately obtained them from you), but you can certainly stop them from distributing your content.

      --
      It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
    9. Re:When someone puts up a website... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For example, say there is a college kid who really likes beer and porn. He likes it so much, he sets up a website that becomes popular, it lists different beers, and reviews porn. One drunken night, this college kid uses his cell phone to take a couple low resolution pictures of himself having sex, and he puts it up.

      A few years pass, somehow he graduates and starts looking for work. Someone tells him that his website comes up when googled, and that might not be the best thing when it comes for finding work.

      So the guy pulls the plug. beerandporn dot com dies. Or did it? It seems others liked his hobby as well, and downloaded all the content, and started hosting it. Problem is, google now links to these new sites, with his face and work for the world to see.

      Should this guy have a right to erase his past creations?


      No, he shouldn't. If we're ever going to get over judging each other for such stupid bullshit when most of us have done something comperable or worse, the first thing we need is to have them all out in the open.

      --
      -1 Uncomfortable Truth
    10. Re:When someone puts up a website... by GeckoX · · Score: 2, Funny

      You have a very interesting view on the world.
      Too bad it's not based in reality.

      I get the impression that you have done some really stupid things in your time that you really _really_ hope never get out in the open. Too bad. You do something stupid, than do another stupid thing by telling the whole world, and then expect to be able to revoke that information on a whim?

      You sir are on crack.

      My biggest problem though is that you're not the only one, and you're pissing in my pool.

      Kindly quit pissing in my pool. Personally, I'm quite attached to that picture of you and your dog. (Nudge nudge). Don't worry though, I'll respect your _copyright_ to that image. I won't sell it to anyone.

      --
      No Comment.
  7. Oh boy by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does anyone else think that this might be the end of RMS? I mean, it's one thing to take on the software industry, but it's quite another to take on the publishers of Harry Potter.

    --
    How we know is more important than what we know.
    1. Re:Oh boy by michaeldot · · Score: 2, Funny
      it's one thing to take on the software industry, but it's quite another to take on the publishers of Harry Potter.

      I don't know about the publishers, but if he takes on the kids then he's a dead man!

      Clearly RMS does not have children.

  8. Spelling problems (and for once, it's not /.) by MourningBlade · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know, as much as the community complains about /. spelling problems, when you see this printed as the headline in a newspaper article:

    Student's to fight charges

    it's a sad, sad day.

  9. Berks county, home of illiterates by gkuz · · Score: 4, Funny
    The Berks County newspaper that writes about this comes out looking mighty fine, with a spelling mistake in the f'ing HEADLINE of the article, and at least three more in the article itself.

    Maybe the damn editor should go back to high school.

  10. You can't erase your past by e9th · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Forget the digital age -- authors have never been able to unpublish their books, nor models their images.

    This is not a new problem.

  11. Nature of the internet vs copyright by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The case against the wayback machine is particularly interesting here, as it shows the internet's natural route-around-censorship/deletion (through things like the google cache, and archive.org) being contested by those who hold the copyrights on said material. Its been long acknowledged that storing people's websites indefinitely is something that could place mirror/cache hosters in a legal grey area, but it seems that most knowledgeable internet publishers have come to accept that their content will be archive & stored and place safeguards accordingly (like approval-to-publish CMS systems and in-house content review).

    Business websites are perhaps a special case, as to me their public front represents almost a brochure of their services, with advertising text and relevant numbers. I don't really see why data like that being historically available (as it would be in any other format) is such a big problem, especially for a trademark dispute.

  12. Canadian Supreme Court by JohnWiney · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was not the "Canadian Supreme Court" that made this ruling, it was the Supreme Court of British Columbia, according to the link new report. I know foreign geography is tough for Americans. It does make a difference - I am virtually certain that the injunction would be declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of Canada if it was ever taken that far.

  13. Yet again Slashdot mangles the story by Lew+Pitcher · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, it was not the Canadian Supreme Court (aka the Supreme Court of Canada) that permitted the injunction.

    Instead, it was the Supreme Court of British Colombia that made that ruling. There's a world of difference, just like the difference between the State Supreme Court of California and the Supreme Court of the United States of America.

    It would be nice if the submitter of the story (or the editor who summarized it) could RTFA, but I guess that would be too much for Slashdot

    --

    "values of beta will give rise to dom!"

  14. it's very simple by ChipMonk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you don't want something to come back and bite you in the ass, don't do it.

    If you don't want all the world to see your life on the Internet, don't expose it.

    Should this guy have a right to erase his past creations? Only if he feels like enforcing the copyright on public record.

    Should people judge her based on who she used to be? Only if she's less than honest about it, in which case she has already judged herself.

    And before you try to tell me I don't know what it's like: Yes, I do. I have a website, and I take care not to put personally identifiable stuff on it. I have no sympathy for Jenni Ringley and her ilk.

  15. Correction, you can watch it in a month or two by Devistater · · Score: 2, Informative

    "You can watch the entire episode online."
    Not correct.
    Here's quotes from the official page about it
    Part one:
    " This portion of "The Tressaurian Intersection" is
    in the final stages of post production.
    for details, please visit EXETERSTUDIO.COM."
    Part two:
    " This portion of "The Tressaurian Intersection" is
    scheduled for release on Friday, July 22, 2005."
    Part three:
    " This portion of "The Tressaurian Intersection" is
    scheduled for release on Friday, August 5, 2005."
    Credits:
    " This portion of "The Tressaurian Intersection" is
    scheduled for release on Friday, August 19, 2005."

    Thanks for getting my hopes up and not bothering to check if you could actually watch it before submitting it.

  16. The War Between the Pitiful Teachers... by Cheviot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The War Between the Pitiful Teachers and the Splendid Kids

    Best Book EVER.

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0380 578026/102-5071418-2785734?v=glance

  17. The Tressaurian Intersection episode is great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wesley crosses a Tressaurian street in flagrant violation of the Tressaurian "Don't Walk!" sign and is sentenced to death, with sexy results.

  18. No human right to read by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Remember that phrase, you're going to hear it a lot.

    The crime that was committed was unauthorized distribution by the store selling the books. Copyright owners do not have any authority over you reading a book, only copying it. But they want that authority. And "no right to read" is the phrase they will use to get it.

    I think I liked the old universe better. You know, the one where Richard Stallman seemed like a nut with crazy predictions of the future?

    --

    The enemies of Democracy are
    1. Re:No human right to read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know, slaveowners made reading illegal for slaves.

      Deja vu, anybody?

  19. Protest Against WHO? Clearly Canada Sucks by Noksagt · · Score: 2, Funny
    I've heard of worst protests than the one Richard proposes...
    a request for his readers to 'Don't Buy Harry Potter Books,' in protest of the Canadian Supreme Court ruling forbidding the purchasers from reading the books they paid for.
    But, quote the article:
    But readers will be unable to share their knowledge after Raincoast Books, the book's Canadian publisher, was granted a "John Doe" injunction prohibiting the buyers from even reading their copies before the publication date.You need to hurt Raincoast Books and the Canadian Supreme Court, not J.K. Rowling, or the U.S. publisher of her books, Arthur A. Levine Books, or anyone else.

    To protest the publisher, don't buy ANY Raincoast Books. If you are a .ca resident who wants to protest, but also wants to read Harry Potter, grab it from you library or pick up an import copy. If you want to protest the Supreme Court, don't obey this mandate, write protest letters, and work on getting better justices picked.

    If you aren't in Canada, laugh at them. What else do you expect from a counyty where a pizza can get to your house faster than an ambulance, there is handicap parking places in front of a skating rink, and people leave cars worth thousands of dollars in the driveway and put useless junk in the garage?
  20. Re:Welcome to Slashdot... by sik0fewl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This reminds me of the movie "Basic Instinct", with Michael Douglas and Sharon Stone (the movie where she shows her twat). Anyways, some lesbian-homo weirdo group, in protest that the movie makes lesbians look like werdios, decided to leak the ending. They group had people go to movie theaters and talk about the ending of the movie, while people waited in line to buy the tickets.

    What does this have to do with anything? I didn't see any mention of RMS trying to force the plotline down people's throats before they had a chance to read the book. I'm pretty sure RMS isn't gonna harass you while you wait in line for the next Harry Potter book.

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    I remember when legal used to mean lawful, now it means some kind of loophole. - Leo Kessler
  21. private property! by fermion · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There is no right to read. If I write something, there is no body in the universe that should force me to publish the writing. However, if I have a contract to write something and supply it to a certain entity, I then have the obligation to supply that writing in accordance to the contract.

    In the end This is not realy abut the right to read, but property rights. If I legally buy a product, that is legally available(and by that I mean that is in not on a government list of contraband), then I should be able to use it any way unless it was stipulated prior to the purchase that such use was forbidden.

    Certainly all that is idealized, and it is often necessary to put restrictions on certain property after the fact, but what we are talking about in this case it a book. I do not know of any law that says it is illegal to buy a book before the official release data. I know of no law that says it is illegal to talk about a book before the release date. There are contract terms that prevent these things, but i doubt the purchasers of this book signed any of those contracts. It is really the fault of the retail outlets that sold the books, and any consequences are theirs

    If I cared about this lame corporate utterances, and had a copy of the book, i would have read it and posted a review. I am happy that the kids have something to read, and that they are reading, but at the end of the day this just proves that absolute power leads absolutely to evil.

    --
    "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
  22. Those cases are all clear cut by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When you publish, that's it - you cannot retract what you put in public for others to read.

    Furthermore while you should be allowed to no longer present what you like, for research needs I absolutly think that anyone who is capabile of doing so shoudl be able to store and re-present data you have publically published.

    To go back to your example, lets say years later that woman (or that man) runs for president. Would you (as a citizen) want that hidden or want a clean vetting of a persons past details?

    Now lets take this another way. Say you can make whatever you publish disappear. So then is it OK for news sites or blogs to change what they had published in the past, while disallowing anyone to make note of there being a change and what the old content was?

    If you plan to do embarrassing things, don't do them in public. people need to be RESPONSIBLE for past actions. I said some dumb things on Usenet when I was younger in college (incidentally usenet archives are why we'll never see a technically oriented gen-Xer in a high-ranking public position) but I just have to deal with whatever happens as a result of past actions.

    Personally I think the site in question falls into the category of historical recording, and I think is important. If it can't store anything we are all screwed from the standpoint of having any accurate history of out time.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  23. Wrong Supreme Courg by darkonc · · Score: 4, Informative
    It's not The Supreme Court of Canada, It's the Supreme Court of British Columbia. The later is more like a State Superior Court in the US. It can be overruled by the BC Court of Appeals which can then be overruled by the SCC. It's a little bit confusing, but -- hey! It's law.

    The Pecking Order for BC:

    1. Supreme Court of Canada Court of last resort
    2. BC Court of Appeals Normally sits as 3 judges but can reconsider it's own rullings with a bank of 5 or 7
    3. BC Supreme Court Civil court, major felonies and appeals of lower courts
    4. BC Provincial Court non-indictable crimes
    Somewhere about the provincial court level you can also throw in family and small claims court.

    BTW: The injunction is probably unconstitutional, but I can't see anybody appealing it.. By the time the appeal went thru, the book would be released. I'm guessing that the judge who issued it just didn't want to face down his/her kids for not protecting 'ol Harry.

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    Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
  24. RMS doesn't understand the meaning of free speech by geekee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    from RMS's website:
    " Here's the text of a complaint that I am sending to the TSA for misleading treatment at Logan Airport.

    When I continued to verbally criticize the conduct of the agents, and didn't sit down and shut up, they called the State Police, and one Officer Gillespie told me that "Unless you shut up I will throw you out." I asked if that meant he would arrest me for speaking, and he said, "No, for making a scene." (Different words for the same act.) I told him that was bullying and abuse of power, and refused to shut up. "

    Stallman doesn't seem to understand that the right to free speech doesn't also mean the right to a platform for free speech. Airlines rent space at airports, and if they don't want you there because your a belligerent ass, then they have the right to call the cops to kick you out. You don't have the right to make people listen to you, RMS.

    --
    Vote for Pedro
  25. Re:RMS doesn't understand the meaning of free spee by geekee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And also, federal employees, i.e. TSA employees, aren't required to listen to RMS's speech either under the constitution. TSA security is there to enforce security, not put up with his bs. If he thinks TSA procedures are wrong, or doesn't like the conduct of a particular agent, arguing with the agent isn't going to solve anything. He should try exercising his "free speech" in a court room, and see how long before they throw him out after he fails to obey the judge telling him to shut up.

    --
    Vote for Pedro
  26. Re:Missing tag by Jardine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    there is handicap parking places in front of a skating rink

    And just where should the handicapped park if they want to go skating?

  27. Harry Potter Plot by nathanh · · Score: 2, Funny
    Richard Stallman has just posted on his personal website a request for his readers to 'Don't Buy Harry Potter Books,' and offered to leak the plot

    I haven't read any of the books or seen any of the movies but I can guess the plot is something like "stupid dork gets picked on by bullies but through virtue of some hidden talent he manages to defeat a great evil and save the world".

  28. Haunting past by phorm · · Score: 2, Informative

    People have had foolish incidents from their past haunt them long before the internet was around. People do stupid things, and one of the deterrants against doing stupid things is that they may catch up to you in the future. Plenty of people have had their reputations/careers impacted upon when an old news article, police report, etc has surfaced... sorry but we don't need dumn legal wrangling to protect people from their own stupidity.

  29. Followup - with a copy of the Potter Injunction by Hobart · · Score: 2, Informative

    Professor Michael Geist of the University of Ottowa has several informative entries on his blog, including a PDF of the Order issued by the British Columbia Supreme Court against the Harry Potter #6 purchasers.

    Memorable quote:
    "...the judge that issued this order did indeed consider the consequences of the order and amazingly felt that it was appropriate to limit the freedom to read, freedom of speech, and the freedom of personal property."
    (Coralized link to go easy on his server, direct link here -> . )
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  30. Re:RMS doesn't understand the meaning of free spee by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wrong. If the owner or their designated agent request it, the police an remove a person from anywhere, and issue a trespass warrant barring one's return. You don't even have to make a scene.

    Disturbing the peace is a crime. Making a scene can be disturbing the peace and can get you arrested.

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