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Government Pressure on ESRB

Alex Blonski writes "There is new CNN coverage on the recent pressure the government is putting on the ESRB to crack down on mature-rated titles, after the Grand Theft Auto Debacle. ESRB President Patricia Vance says that 'It is very important for people to realize that this game is rated " for mature,' Vance said. 'This game is not a game that was rated for children. Regardless of what if anything was modified, it's a game that the ESRB has made as clear as it can that it was not intended for anyone under the age of 17.'"

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  1. Put the blame where it belongs. by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From TFA:
    And these games are having a real, detrimental inpact on young minds, Baca said -- "In a video game, you're actually pursuing and simulating a person. You're under hypnosis. You're a person that is dramatizing, that is living the example of what is going on."
    OK, who else is sick of this shit? Hands?
    If a child decides to emulate the antics of a character in a video game, it is not the game's fault...it is the fault of the child's parents who have failed to instruct the child in the fundamental differences between fantasy and reality. They are the ones who should and must be held accountable for the misdeeds of their progeny.
    When parents use their televisions and consoles as nanny and babysitter, they shouldn't be too surprised when their children begin using them as role models.
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    1. Re:Put the blame where it belongs. by fkamogee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about, for starters, parents pay attention to what their kids are playing? Check the damn label. You don't let them go to NC-17 movies, do you? The ESRB cannot be held responsible for your lack of parenting.

    2. Re:Put the blame where it belongs. by KamaDragon · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Kids play it and think its the real word, thus they go out and shoot people thinking they can get away with it like they did in the game.

      I don't believe that for a second. I grew up playing games, so did my friends. We're not violent killers. We're not dumb enough to think that shooting someone is okay just because we did it in a game.

      This whole epidemic is just lousy parenting. People needed someone to blame after Columbine, and it was so easy to claim that it wasn't *my* fault for being a lousy parent, it was those *games*. Politicians jumped on the bandwagon because it absolved parents from all responsibility. That makes the parents feel good, so the parents keep voting for the politicians. It it totally backwards.

      The real problem is that people are having kids because they think they're supposed to. They don't understand what being a parent is or what kind of responsibility they have, and so you get kids who are out of control. So blame everyone but yourself. When it comes down to it, some people are just messed up in the head, too.

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    3. Re:Put the blame where it belongs. by netruner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      [Raises Hand]

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the game in question already rated "M" and still needed modification to produce the behavior in question?

      I have to wonder how much hubub there would be if someone wrote a patch that put a similar "easter egg" into Word. Face it, this game has always had a bulls-eye on it as far as the self-rightous are concerned (just as Doom before it). This incident was just the most convienient excuse to attack it.

      Frankly, I'm just sick of the self-rightous political nonsense assumption that it's ok to tell the rest of us what is "ok" and what's not. This used to be primarily the domain of the "right", but it seems to be spreading like a nasty rash.

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    4. Re:Put the blame where it belongs. by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "Sorry, anyone who produces and sells something which contributes to the normalization of violence in the minds of the young must also take some of responsibility for the problems it causes."

      Again, the problem is...these games are NOT made for children. They are rated as Mature. Parents should take the time and responsibility to see what they are purchasing for their kids.

      This is nothing wrong with Adult content...for Adults. Hell, there is a TON of children friendly material out there. When is the last time you even SAW a NC-17 movie released?

      The bottom line is, there is nothing wrong with Mature and Adult entertainment. It is the parents' responsibility to screen and filter out what is appropriate for their kids....apparently a job they are neglecting. If you have kids...there are a FULL time job...you signed on for it when you had them, take the responsibility and raise them.

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  2. Legislation vs. Self-Education by TPIRman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA: Critics say the board's guidance is toothless and does little to help parents trying to protect impressionable children from questionable content.

    It's like clockwork. After "Won't somebody please think of the children!" comes "Won't somebody please think of the parents!" After all, kids can't vote, so it's important that the demagoguery focus on the most politically valuable "victims."

    My question is, what do the parents want? Of course the ratings are toothless. They're just a guide. The "Mature" rating tells parents that a game labeled "M" is considered by the ESRB to be potentially inappropriate for people under 17. The ESRB is basically saying: "If you're in doubt, and your kid is under 17, don't allow this game in your home." If a parent is really in conniptions over video-game sex, violence, whatever, then they only need to exert minimal effort to convert their fears into action.

    For parents that care to be more nuanced and/or involved, there are strategy guides in every game store that present the content of games in great detail. And there's also gamefaqs.com, which is free and convenient. Parents don't have to be gamers to avoid being totally oblivious. Now, I certainly don't expect every parent to be this savvy from the get-go. But the parents who claim to give a shit could educate themselves with what I think is a reasonable amount of time and effort.

    But no, let's legislate the fuck out of the video-game industry because Hillary Clinton is running for president.

  3. Ratings only as good as the child's environment by Bazuul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to the article itself, the "unlocked nude sex scene" only applies to the PC version of GTA. That means that any kiddies that get exposed to it must first find and download the mod off the internet, then apply it to the game. If the child can/will do this, then he is already being potentially exposed to all the pornography on the internet. In other words, whats the difference between downloading and applying this mod and just downloading porn off the internet? Ratings are meaningless when children have unfettered access to the internet. It all comes back to parental oversight. Government is not a substitute for parenting.

  4. Isn't it funny.. by PaxTech · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find it quite telling that when GTA only allowed you to pay for sex and then murder the prostitute in cold blood to get your money back, it was commented on but there was no big push to governmentally censor games.

    But now that you can actually see yourself engaging in consensual sex with your in-game girlfriend, we need to "protect the children".

    Doesn't this seem a little backwards? Apparently violence and murder is completely fine, but a little sex and the pols all go batshit.

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  5. Hilary lost my vote by NineNine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just have to say that I would've voted for Clinton if she made a run for President before she had diarrhea of the mouth and brought up this unrelated shit. She made a completely wrong (as we all know), completely uneducated statement, and based on factually *wrong* information called for a revamp of the whole system. That was a bad move on her part if she was expecting any of the geek vote. We all know what game mods are, and they've been around since the early days of computer gaming. Her statement was ignorant, and irresponsbile.

    1. Re:Hilary lost my vote by ari_j · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hillary is just another modern American liberal. The contrast between that and a classic liberal is that a classic liberal wants everyone to have the same rights and liberties, while a modern liberal wants to decide for you which rights you should and shouldn't have, with an emphasis on being hypocritical.

      Modern conservatives also want to decide for you which rights you should and shouldn't have, but they make their selections using different criteria. Conservatives shoot for traditional moral values, whereas liberals shoot for progressive think-of-the-children moral values. They're both wrong, and the classic liberals and libertarians (lowercase ell) have it mostly right. Your rights and liberties are yours to choose, as long as they don't actually and directly harm those around you.

      Classic examples: Legalize marijuana, but make it illegal as hell to drive while intoxicated by marijuana because it's the intoxicated driving that directly injures other people, not the actual intoxication. Or let me own whatever gun I want, but punish me severely if I shoot someone with it other than in legally justified defense of myself, my property, or others. The list goes on, but just these two work to show that modern conservatives and modern liberals are guilty of the same hypocritical, self-important decision-making about which liberties you and I should have.

  6. The rating systems are stupid. by autopr0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why 17 and not 18, or 21? Deciding by committee for every child in the US is stupid. They should use a system that lists the 'level' of sex, violence, dirty language or whatever and let parents choose appropriately for their own fears.

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  7. Please, Oh powerful Goverment..... by polaris20 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Parent my children for me, for I cannot do it myself. Protect my children from my laziness and unwillingness to do the 5 minutes of Google research it takes to find out the contents of a game rated M. While you're at it, let's get rid of R rated movies. I know, it has the R rating on there, but somehow my kids are going to see it. After all, I don't keep track of their whereabouts, nor take an active role in their daily lives. Also, get rid of profane music. Tipper was right; the kids will still get their hands on it, and it'll scar my little babies even more than my completely incompetent parenting skills.