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FCC Chair Says Broadband Top Goal

Carl Bialik from the WSJ writes "FCC chairman Kevin Martin says 'his top goal is to increase Americans access to high-speed Internet,' the Wall Street Journal reports. 'Late last week, he began circulating plans to loosen rules so neither phone nor cable companies will be required to share their Internet connections with competitors like America Online, a change that essentially would create a duopoly in many local markets. He also embraces the idea that local governments should be allowed to offer wireless Internet services, at least in rural areas where some phone and cable companies balk at providing high-speed service.' The Journal also has a transcript of its interview with Martin, in which he discusses indecency and whether broadcast rules should also apply to satellite and cable."

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  1. Sure it is by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Broadband may the the FCC's top goal, just make sure you don't offer free access to it! You can make something ubiquitous if you make it free, otherwise charging $40 - $80 for the "right" to broadband won't find it available in every home in America.

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    1. Re:Sure it is by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "You can make something ubiquitous if you make it free, otherwise charging $40 - $80 for the "right" to broadband won't find it available in every home in America."

      Nothing is free. Who will pay for it? You do not free power, water, gas, or place to live why free bandwidth.

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    2. Re:Sure it is by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nothing is free

      So, when you last drove, you payed a toll and/or owned all of the roads that you travelled on. When you go to the park, you have to stop and visit all of the maintenance people first to pay them before you can get in. Of course, you can't walk on the sidewalk to get there, either, without paying. Naturally, you pay a fee to get into the local public pool, and you pay a fee when you swim on public beaches. If you want police to protect you, you have to go pay them first - same if you want firemen to come put out any fires at your house. Of course, you don't just pay them, you have to pay for all of their equipment and monthly bills as well.

      What, you say? You pay for them through taxes? Well, that is what is being discussed here. The idea is to treat net infrastructure and services as we treat other "widely utilized infrastructure and services" in the country. Should broadband fall under that category? That's the issue up for debate.

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    3. Re:Sure it is by nightsweat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it's not better. If you had to negotiate it every time you used the service you don't get the leverage of scale, and when you really need something you aren't priced out of it. Say I build the only access road to a hospital. I can decide to charge $20,000 for a single use of it because I figure if you're going to the hospital, you probably need it real bad. That's the model you're talking about.

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  2. nothing but hot air. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He wants to energize the deployment of broadband in America?

    remove all restrictions. Allow municipal wifi. Allow everything. Disallow cities from forcing companies to pay extortion to them in "franchise fees", one of the biggest hurdles and deterrents to small business starting up in an area.

    when i see real solutions from the FCC then we will see real progress..

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    1. Re:nothing but hot air. by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How would municipal wifi track users? I think you have a good idea, but I'm curious how we would prevent the bad apples from completly destroying that idea.

      Who cares? As long as the system is under-utilized it doesn't matter and once it starts becoming over-utilized, all it takes is some smart bandwidth shaping to keep the top users from stepping on everyone else.

    2. Re:nothing but hot air. by Dr.+Bent · · Score: 1, Insightful

      remove all restrictions. Allow municipal wifi. Allow everything. Disallow cities from forcing companies to pay extortion to them in "franchise fees", one of the biggest hurdles and deterrents to small business starting up in an area.

      Disallow? You mean restrict?

      You can't have it both ways. If you allow people to do what they want, there's a chance they might not do what you like. The FCC does not have oversight over laws crafted in local municipalities and state governments. If you want to grant them that authority, be prepared when "Citizens United Against Smut" (or some other such group) convinces the FCC that municipal wifi should have adult content filters because it's funded with public money.

    3. Re:nothing but hot air. by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let just subsidise everything while we are at it. I mean, only the government knows what's best for a free society.

      Seriously, when the fuck are we going to draw the line. The more the government taxes you, the lest free capitol you have left over to make your own free choices and purchases.

      Government should only get funding from it's citizens for military, fire, police, and transportation.

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    4. Re:nothing but hot air. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This FCC Chairman is just as bad as Michael Powell. He says "we want to help the people" in one breath and in the next says "let's give big business the monopolies they have been demanding". The two are incommensurate. Guess which constituency is going to be screwed here? It ain't the big business.

    5. Re:nothing but hot air. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      you forgot the Post Office, an example of government subsidizing communication, not unlike the internet.

    6. Re:nothing but hot air. by kurtu5 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      US presidents do this regularly. Both sides.

      They have to swear an oath to defend it under penalty of treason/death. Yet like you, they simply set it aside.

      *sigh*

    7. Re:nothing but hot air. by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is it that gasoline filling stations are few of the companies out there that actually tell you up front how much something is going to cost (with a big sign visible to boot)? Everywhere else I go, I can expect to pay an additional 10 to 30 someodd percent additional on my bill for the things that the company "forgot" to put on the price.

      There really is no reason for this practice, especially given that tax rates change far less often than the price the store normally charges for an item gets changed. So "we'd have to resticker everything" is hardly an excuse (except when one considers a store would have to resticker everything simultanously).

      The reason they don't is that it's not how things "usually are". And if one store did, most people wouldn't catch that the price includes tax (even if the store hung up big banner proclaiming it). And to shopper it would simply appear the store was more expensive than everyone else (I know, this prediction seems a little pessimistic).

  3. Going Backwards by ehaggis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before there was a "requirement" to share lines, many ILECs (Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers) withheld valuable technology from the public. Bellsouth had DSL capability for years but releasing to the home user would have cannibalized their business T1 subscriptions. Even with "requirements" to share lines and invite competition, ILECs tend to drag their feet and construct obstacles for CLECs (Competitive Local Exchange Carriers) to enter the market.

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  4. That's easy. Remove Comcast from the picture.. by Genjurosan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they would simply focus on the absurd price that is being charged for broadband, then the consumers would fall in line. $70 a month (without cable service)for internet access is crazy. Not to mention that the service provided by Comcast is some of the worst I have ever seen in my life.

  5. this doesn't make sence by Brigadier · · Score: 2, Insightful



    why would deregulating the communication industry help broadband. The only reason I have broadband at the price that I do is because regulations force Verizon and SBC to share there lines at a fair cost. Companies like XO would dissappear. I don't like the Idea that I have to go with either Charter or Verizon for broadband I would like more options. The only way this will happen is if other companies can tap into the cable and data lines at my driveway.

  6. "loosen rules" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ya, "loosen rules" on those cable and telephone companies that got government subsidies for the last 50 years so that companies who DIDN'T receive subsidies can't compete as they don't have the cash to lay the networks themselves... and the government isn't handing out any new subsidies. THAT will give the consumer a better choice... *right*

    While you're at it, make sure to relieve those poor corporations of any promises they made in order to receive subsidies like minimum speeds and % of coverage in a given area. Wouldn't want to "hold back the spread of broadband" or anything.

  7. Wrong, wrong, wrong by XanC · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The goal of government is to prevent people from interfering with each other's rights. Not to form society according to the vision of master planners.

    The FCC should exist to enforce private property rights on pieces of spectrum, and stay the hell out of the business of engineering society.

  8. Yeah, that'll work by overshoot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Cut all competition out of the process, and you get what we had in 1995: Baby Bells that would charge you for running a "study" of whether they could hook you up in five or ten years.

    That, and of course you also get (surprise!) the "preferred network solution provider" as the one-and-only choice. Guess which "preferred network solution provider" has the most sweetheart deals in the USA?

    Hint: they not only "support" only one operating system, they don't allow others to connect.

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  9. That's hardly the exclusive goal of government by Snar+Bloot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that things like building roads, administering various aid-to-needy-people programs, and limiting and controling access to various public resources (hunting licenses, fishing, park usage, timber usage, etc) might be in some way considered to be contributing the the way society is "engineered".

  10. Why Not Split into wires/service? by mystik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What I haven't been able to understand is why can't/doesn't the FCC force the local monopolies to split into a service company, and a physical maintence company?

    The only part that the natural monopoly exists is really on the physical properties. Then the services compete on services, while everyone just pays the physical wires company fees for upkeep and expansion?

    This seems to makes much more sense, since these network seems to moving more towards packet-switched technologies rather than circut based technologies.

    So, why not?

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  11. Hmm... by LordPhantom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    WSJ: Let's turn to indecency. You're pretty young and you don't have kids. Why does broadcast indecency incense you so much?
    Martin: I think there's been an increasing sense of the people who are filing complaints at the commission that they're incensed. My first year on the commission there were a couple hundred complaints. I think the next year there were over 10,000 and two years later there were over 100,000 and by the following year there were more than a million complaints. Its actually many of the consumers who are increasingly upset by what's on TV and radio and they're filing at the commission. There's a growing chorus of people complaining about what's on television and radio and that's what you're seeing the commission respond to.
    WSJ: It's not personal, it's just that people are filing a lot of complaints?
    Martin: I evaluate every complaint on the merits of the complaint but I think consumers have become increasingly frustrated on what's on television and radio. There was a lot of consumer outrage and Congress was upset and the commission has an obligation to enforce its rules that indecent material is prohibited during certain hours from being on television and radio. Its' incumbent that the FCC enforce its rules and we're going to.
    WSJ: Do you think the government should be in the role to decide what's indecent?
    Martin: You always have to be careful when you're talking about the government being involved in content issues. For anyone who expresses concern about what's on television or radio today the first line of defense always has to be the parents. The parents who are with their children and should be watching or supervising what they're watching on television or listen to on radio should be doing everything they can to make sure their children aren't being exposed to things they think are inappropriate. Fundamentally, the government should be trying to provide tools for parents to help them control what's coming into their living rooms and what their kids are exposed to.


    Ok... now correct me if I'm wrong, but he's saying that the numerous complaints is about broadcast television and radio. . But not about Sattelite, etc, right? If there is, I must be blind.... So why is there a comment in the header about sattelite, etc, having anything to do with this?
    More interestingly he says that they base their decisions (at least in part) on the number of complaints...... I find myself wondering what they'd do if a large section of the population copmlained there wasn't enough indecency on TV.

  12. Softball Interview by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So the FCC wants to bend over for private industry and protect the children. And the boonies can have some muni wifi as long as no corporations are harmed.
    Does the interviewer bother to throw any criticism, even for the sake of a straw man argument? Nope. Just more longwinded leading questions and inane banter. Just because the WSJ is pro-business does not excuse them from actually acting like journalists. This interview might as well have included a happy ending for all the ego-stroking involved.

    Asking a question about whether the increase in indecency complaints was mainly due to organized letter writing campaigns would be a start. Maybe a firing offense too. Twenty years ago it would be considered good journalism and it would have been a firing offense not to ask. Its just a shame that the WSJ doesn't apply the same treatment that it would to a business exec.

  13. Before everyone whines too much by suitepotato · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The biggest cause of prices being what they are is that we who support these services don't work for free. Have the government do them and you can multiply corruption times ten and watch your taxes climb to cover it. Either way, you WILL pay.

    And right now, YOU the Internet using public are one of the faster growing costs of the Internet: stupidity. It is the common users who infect their machines with viruses, it is idiot spammers abusing the net, it is script kiddies and amature hackers spreading trojans and so on. And we who support it, have to spend part of our busy time dealing with that. And did I mention, we don't work for free.

    It is not a matter of Comcast profiteering or having some supposed monopoly. It is not about local or state governments not giving out municipal wireless (yes, let's trust our pipe to the net to the same people we otherwise wouldn't trust as far as we could throw them on any other subject). It's about the fact that building out miles and miles of fiber and copper costs. It's about the fact that thousands and thousands of industrial-duty routers and switches costs. It's about the fact that facilities to house the aforementioned items costs. It's about the fact that the people who KEEP it working despite the (l}users doing their level best to level the network, disrupt their own connections, and otherwise fark up their service and the service of others costs.

    Just as with coding, I don't work for free. What I write isn't coming to you for free, the service I support in my day job isn't coming to you for free. But I don't expect too many to care. I see every day fellow support techs carp about the McDonald's wages they are now being offered to do jobs which used to pay $35K/year but then complaining that their high speed Internet costs. All I can do is shake my head as I give them a penalty line bounce lart.

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    1. Re:Before everyone whines too much by tritesnikov · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So what you are saying is that you underestimated the amount of traffic that your routers would have to handle? Boo hoo. I payed $55 for month's use of a 4Mbps down and 350kbps(?) up (not quite sure of the actual up speed) connection and expect to have it. I should be able to load it with bittorrent traffic and whatever other traffic I want that maxes out my connection for the entire month.

      Illegal or not. Now, let me qualify that. ISP's shouldn't care what I transfer, until otherwise notified by the appropriate authority that I am downloading movies or whatnot. Then, and only until then, should it be their prerogative to do something about it. (The whole common carrier thing.)

      It also behooves the ISP's to take this position themselves, as otherwise it opens them up to whole worlds of liability. Copyright holders will want the ISP's to spend money in a futile effort to try and stop copyright infringement. This would entail spending money on buying and supporting equipment to monitor traffic, which I would imagine would not be too cheap considering the processing power needed to even start such an initiative given the amount of traffic flowing around.

      First you have to be able to identify types of traffic (i.e., bittorrent), and have enough data to make sure that you can identify it properly. Then, you have to be able to decide if the traffic is legitmate or not, which would entail keeping an ever-changing list of torrent files and whatnot to be able to identify the traffic as illegal. Also, where do you get these lists? Is it your responsibility to go out and find these lists, thereby increasing your costs to maintain staff and additional equipment to do this? Is it something that copyright holders send you? What if they are wrong and you cut off legitimate traffic? Lawsuit, here we come. Now, let's start adding in other p2p networks and all of the equipment and maintenance that that would take. And this is even before privacy implications start to come in to play. Oh yeah, and if bittorrent or a derivative protocol ever start using encryption and becomes popular, all of that effort is now wasted. What are you going to do, start doing man-in-the-middle attacks to encrypted connections, and adding more processing power and cost to decrypt the connections to be able to monitor them? And if anyone finds out, and they will, hello lawsuit #2.

      Man, buying another router or two doesn't sound so bad anymore.

      The point is, people have payed for a month's worth use of whatever connection they have. If the overbooking assumptions on the neighborhood routers and pipes are not correct, then those assumptions need to change. The cost of any other solution is much higher. I guess there's always the old rate hike that could be used, but that still doesn't change the fact that the month's use of that connection was paid for and so it is that customer's right to use it full bore for the entire month if they want to, because that is what they purchased.

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  14. Why is broadband important? by Balthisar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So I've never asked myself this, and I'm tempted to make this a separate ask-slashdot question, but why the heck is broadband so important? Most of all, why is it a federal government interest?

    If I didn't have broadband, I'd still have a POTS line or ISDN, plus dialup, I guess. I couldn't watch Battlestar Galactica without a lot more patience, free music would be a lot more annoying, and iTunes music store could be less popular.

    So, I can afford cable internet and won't give it up until I can no longer afford it. But would my life suck without it? Would I be out of touch with my government? Blocked from /.? At some type of disadvantage in this world?

    Is there really some compelling interest in that EVERYONE have broadband?

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  15. Why do you hate the Constitution? by glrotate · · Score: 2, Insightful
    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


    There you have it: Order, Justice, Tranquility, Defense, Welfare, Liberty.


    Your notion of laissez fair was thrown on the scrapheap of stupid ideas in Washington's first term. Read up on Alexander Hamilton's Reports on Credit and Manufacturing and Congress' endorsement of them, including many of the "founding fathers", for more info.