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FCC Chair Says Broadband Top Goal

Carl Bialik from the WSJ writes "FCC chairman Kevin Martin says 'his top goal is to increase Americans access to high-speed Internet,' the Wall Street Journal reports. 'Late last week, he began circulating plans to loosen rules so neither phone nor cable companies will be required to share their Internet connections with competitors like America Online, a change that essentially would create a duopoly in many local markets. He also embraces the idea that local governments should be allowed to offer wireless Internet services, at least in rural areas where some phone and cable companies balk at providing high-speed service.' The Journal also has a transcript of its interview with Martin, in which he discusses indecency and whether broadcast rules should also apply to satellite and cable."

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  1. Sure it is by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Broadband may the the FCC's top goal, just make sure you don't offer free access to it! You can make something ubiquitous if you make it free, otherwise charging $40 - $80 for the "right" to broadband won't find it available in every home in America.

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    1. Re:Sure it is by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "You can make something ubiquitous if you make it free, otherwise charging $40 - $80 for the "right" to broadband won't find it available in every home in America."

      Nothing is free. Who will pay for it? You do not free power, water, gas, or place to live why free bandwidth.

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    2. Re:Sure it is by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nothing is free

      So, when you last drove, you payed a toll and/or owned all of the roads that you travelled on. When you go to the park, you have to stop and visit all of the maintenance people first to pay them before you can get in. Of course, you can't walk on the sidewalk to get there, either, without paying. Naturally, you pay a fee to get into the local public pool, and you pay a fee when you swim on public beaches. If you want police to protect you, you have to go pay them first - same if you want firemen to come put out any fires at your house. Of course, you don't just pay them, you have to pay for all of their equipment and monthly bills as well.

      What, you say? You pay for them through taxes? Well, that is what is being discussed here. The idea is to treat net infrastructure and services as we treat other "widely utilized infrastructure and services" in the country. Should broadband fall under that category? That's the issue up for debate.

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    3. Re:Sure it is by nightsweat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it's not better. If you had to negotiate it every time you used the service you don't get the leverage of scale, and when you really need something you aren't priced out of it. Say I build the only access road to a hospital. I can decide to charge $20,000 for a single use of it because I figure if you're going to the hospital, you probably need it real bad. That's the model you're talking about.

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    4. Re:Sure it is by dubl-u · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nothing is free. Who will pay for it? You do not free power, water, gas, or place to live why free bandwidth.

      And let me tell you, the coin-op streetlight outside my house is a great idea. Now it's only on when people really need it. And thank god they closed down that library. What a waste of taxpayer dollars when there's a bookstore right at the mall!

      I'm not quite as happy with them changing 911 to a 900 number, or selling off the public parks, or the pay-per-view stoplights, but I know that a market economy is the only successful way to arrange things. I wouldn't want people to think I'm a communist, though, so I keep quiet about my gripes.

  2. nothing but hot air. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He wants to energize the deployment of broadband in America?

    remove all restrictions. Allow municipal wifi. Allow everything. Disallow cities from forcing companies to pay extortion to them in "franchise fees", one of the biggest hurdles and deterrents to small business starting up in an area.

    when i see real solutions from the FCC then we will see real progress..

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    1. Re:nothing but hot air. by MosesJones · · Score: 3, Funny

      remove all restrictions. Allow municipal wifi.

      Remove all restrictions... and get the tax-payer to subsidise it...

      AN interesting approach.

      US... Health care for the rich... Wi-Fi for everyone.

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    2. Re:nothing but hot air. by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How would municipal wifi track users? I think you have a good idea, but I'm curious how we would prevent the bad apples from completly destroying that idea.

      Who cares? As long as the system is under-utilized it doesn't matter and once it starts becoming over-utilized, all it takes is some smart bandwidth shaping to keep the top users from stepping on everyone else.

    3. Re:nothing but hot air. by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let just subsidise everything while we are at it. I mean, only the government knows what's best for a free society.

      Seriously, when the fuck are we going to draw the line. The more the government taxes you, the lest free capitol you have left over to make your own free choices and purchases.

      Government should only get funding from it's citizens for military, fire, police, and transportation.

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    4. Re:nothing but hot air. by hackstraw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Disallow cities from forcing companies to pay extortion to them in "franchise fees"

      In looking at my bills, there is a neatly itemized bill that is outside of all advertised pricing that says: "franchise fee".

      So to me it seems like I am being extorted, not the poor company.

      Now, lets wait until the FCC has fucked up the internet like phones and collects about 33% of the bill due to various FCC fees for the privilege of using the internet like I have for over 10 years already.

      Why is it that gasoline filling stations are few of the companies out there that actually tell you up front how much something is going to cost (with a big sign visible to boot)? Everywhere else I go, I can expect to pay an additional 10 to 30 someodd percent additional on my bill for the things that the company "forgot" to put on the price.

    5. Re:nothing but hot air. by pauljlucas · · Score: 2
      you forgot the Post Office, an example of government subsidizing communication, not unlike the internet.
      The US Postal Service (which stopped being called the "Post Office" years ago) is entirely self-funding through stamps and other services -- has been for years. No taxpayer money is used.
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    6. Re:nothing but hot air. by kurtu5 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      US presidents do this regularly. Both sides.

      They have to swear an oath to defend it under penalty of treason/death. Yet like you, they simply set it aside.

      *sigh*

    7. Re:nothing but hot air. by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is it that gasoline filling stations are few of the companies out there that actually tell you up front how much something is going to cost (with a big sign visible to boot)? Everywhere else I go, I can expect to pay an additional 10 to 30 someodd percent additional on my bill for the things that the company "forgot" to put on the price.

      There really is no reason for this practice, especially given that tax rates change far less often than the price the store normally charges for an item gets changed. So "we'd have to resticker everything" is hardly an excuse (except when one considers a store would have to resticker everything simultanously).

      The reason they don't is that it's not how things "usually are". And if one store did, most people wouldn't catch that the price includes tax (even if the store hung up big banner proclaiming it). And to shopper it would simply appear the store was more expensive than everyone else (I know, this prediction seems a little pessimistic).

  3. Going Backwards by ehaggis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before there was a "requirement" to share lines, many ILECs (Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers) withheld valuable technology from the public. Bellsouth had DSL capability for years but releasing to the home user would have cannibalized their business T1 subscriptions. Even with "requirements" to share lines and invite competition, ILECs tend to drag their feet and construct obstacles for CLECs (Competitive Local Exchange Carriers) to enter the market.

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    1. Re:Going Backwards by Sentry21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bellsouth had DSL capability for years but releasing to the home user would have cannibalized their business T1 subscriptions.

      Pacific Bell tried another tactic - 128k up, 32k down for $39.99/mo, 512k up, 64k down for I think something like $79.99, and 1.5m down, 128k up for a ridiculous $249.99. I compared this to prices for DSL service from Telus, right next door to Pacific Bell (across the Washington/BC border), and found that Telus's prime offering - 1.5m down, 512k up - was a mere $39.99 as well - in Canadian dollars.

      I say to the FCC, prevent these companies from stopping other projects, like municipal Wi-Fi, municipal FTTH, etc. These companies refuse to set up these services, which are in high demand, but they want to prevent other entities from doing it too, because then if they ever got around to caring about that market, it would be too bad.

      Make the big conglomerates stop jerking people around, and maybe your country's broadband situation will stop being as depressing as it is.

  4. That's easy. Remove Comcast from the picture.. by Genjurosan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they would simply focus on the absurd price that is being charged for broadband, then the consumers would fall in line. $70 a month (without cable service)for internet access is crazy. Not to mention that the service provided by Comcast is some of the worst I have ever seen in my life.

  5. this doesn't make sence by Brigadier · · Score: 2, Insightful



    why would deregulating the communication industry help broadband. The only reason I have broadband at the price that I do is because regulations force Verizon and SBC to share there lines at a fair cost. Companies like XO would dissappear. I don't like the Idea that I have to go with either Charter or Verizon for broadband I would like more options. The only way this will happen is if other companies can tap into the cable and data lines at my driveway.

    1. Re:this doesn't make sence by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It would help "broadband", which translates "help a handful of companies charge higher rates for worse service so that maybe those companies will have a financial incentive to deploy broadband more broadly." Bottom line: the FCC is now firmly in the pockets of the ILECs and the public had better get used to getting screwed, 'cause it's only going to get worse. Much, much worse.

      There is exactly -one- way for the government to help broadband deployment: provide large block grants to communities for use in building up public communications infrastructure. The cities that have put in municipal fiber tend to be years ahead of neighboring communities in terms of broadband deployment, with lower costs for the user, better service, etc.

      Don't get me wrong, I don't think the government should be in the telecommunications business. I just think it should own the infrastructure and lease it on fair and equal terms to private ISPs and LECs as the ILECs are currently forced to do. That would put everyone on equal footing (except the ILECs, but even then, largely so).

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  6. Think of the Children by BigZaphod · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The chairman says this: "Fundamentally, the government should be trying to provide tools for parents to help them control what's coming into their living rooms and what their kids are exposed to."

    Why? Shouldn't the parents just not buy products that don't offer them the controls they want? All TVs and desktop computers I've encountered have an off switch and there's nothing the government can do to get people to use them. How are more switches, knobs, dials, control panels, etc. going to help anything?

  7. "loosen rules" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ya, "loosen rules" on those cable and telephone companies that got government subsidies for the last 50 years so that companies who DIDN'T receive subsidies can't compete as they don't have the cash to lay the networks themselves... and the government isn't handing out any new subsidies. THAT will give the consumer a better choice... *right*

    While you're at it, make sure to relieve those poor corporations of any promises they made in order to receive subsidies like minimum speeds and % of coverage in a given area. Wouldn't want to "hold back the spread of broadband" or anything.

  8. Whatever. by jpiggot · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Well, that's great Kevin. Glad to see you're loosening rules in order to reward billion dollar companies, whom I'm sure have my best interests at heart (cause, you know, they always have before...just look at how great the customer service for those cable monopolies worked out) And it's nice to see that you're taking a break from being a slave to a highly vocal minority that seeks to impose their quasi-religious views on what I watch in the privacy of my own home.

    I also love his supposed problems with "blocking channel options" not being available to cable and satellite customers. What a non-issue to suck up to "concerned parent groups" I don't think I've seen a cable system since the '80s that didn't have some option on your cable box to block channels, and satellite always had it. God forbid parents should read the manual, or actually pay attention to what their children are watching.

  9. Wrong, wrong, wrong by XanC · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The goal of government is to prevent people from interfering with each other's rights. Not to form society according to the vision of master planners.

    The FCC should exist to enforce private property rights on pieces of spectrum, and stay the hell out of the business of engineering society.

  10. What is the trade? by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unless some further regulation is attached, I don't see how promoting a duopoly is beneficial to the consumer.

    Traditional U.S. government sanctioned monopolies attained their position by HAVING to provide service to the majority of consumer even in areas that would be a losing proposition (because of infrastructure versus population density) and having their prices set for them by a regulatory commission.

    Will Verizon have to suddenly build more Central Offices (CO) or mini-CO's (so more people can get DSL) for the sake of this benefit? And what will Comcast trade in?

    I fail to see how this helps anything but the big business.

    The part of local government and wireless is cool, but at best this initiative will be sporadic or in big cities where getting broadband is less of a hassle.

  11. Yeah, that'll work by overshoot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Cut all competition out of the process, and you get what we had in 1995: Baby Bells that would charge you for running a "study" of whether they could hook you up in five or ten years.

    That, and of course you also get (surprise!) the "preferred network solution provider" as the one-and-only choice. Guess which "preferred network solution provider" has the most sweetheart deals in the USA?

    Hint: they not only "support" only one operating system, they don't allow others to connect.

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  12. his REAL motivation is... by gosand · · Score: 2
    his top goal is to increase Americans access to high-speed Internet

    so that the FCC can attempt to regulate it into oblivion! All these clowns can do is chase their tails trying to censor people. They thought Janet Jackson was bad? Wait till they see what this internet thingy has to offer. "Hmm, look at this link, it must be to pictures of cute little pet goats..."

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  13. That's hardly the exclusive goal of government by Snar+Bloot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that things like building roads, administering various aid-to-needy-people programs, and limiting and controling access to various public resources (hunting licenses, fishing, park usage, timber usage, etc) might be in some way considered to be contributing the the way society is "engineered".

    1. Re:That's hardly the exclusive goal of government by kurtu5 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      From wikipedia on the War on Poverty;

      The 'War on Poverty' was enacted in response to hard economic times which saw a poverty rate of around 25%. However, President Johnson's 'War on Poverty' speech was delivered at a time of recovery and some viewed it as an effort to get Congress to authorize social welfare programs. The poverty level had fallen from 22.4% in 1959 to 19% in 1964 when the War on Poverty was announced. Government officials are always poised just in time to take credit for things it did not create.

  14. Re:Marie Antoinette by eggoeater · · Score: 3, Informative
    this strike anyone else as being a bit like "Let them have broadband!"
    I'm not sure you entirely understand the meaning and context of this quote.* If the upper elite of society were enjoying streaming video from their 10MBps fiber connection, it would be a more apt paraphrase to say "Let them have AOL dial-up." (i.e. expensive, slow, and like the "cake" that the bakers of the time threw out, not much use to anyone.)


    *Cake in the Antoinette quote refers to the flour mixture bakers lined their oven with at the beginning of the day and scraped off and threw into the street at the end of the day (when it was pretty much burned to a crisp an inedible.) Also, Antoinette, if she actually said it, was being glib, repeating the phrase ver-batim from a popluar book of the day...don't remember the book though.
  15. Why Not Split into wires/service? by mystik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What I haven't been able to understand is why can't/doesn't the FCC force the local monopolies to split into a service company, and a physical maintence company?

    The only part that the natural monopoly exists is really on the physical properties. Then the services compete on services, while everyone just pays the physical wires company fees for upkeep and expansion?

    This seems to makes much more sense, since these network seems to moving more towards packet-switched technologies rather than circut based technologies.

    So, why not?

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  16. Hmm... by LordPhantom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    WSJ: Let's turn to indecency. You're pretty young and you don't have kids. Why does broadcast indecency incense you so much?
    Martin: I think there's been an increasing sense of the people who are filing complaints at the commission that they're incensed. My first year on the commission there were a couple hundred complaints. I think the next year there were over 10,000 and two years later there were over 100,000 and by the following year there were more than a million complaints. Its actually many of the consumers who are increasingly upset by what's on TV and radio and they're filing at the commission. There's a growing chorus of people complaining about what's on television and radio and that's what you're seeing the commission respond to.
    WSJ: It's not personal, it's just that people are filing a lot of complaints?
    Martin: I evaluate every complaint on the merits of the complaint but I think consumers have become increasingly frustrated on what's on television and radio. There was a lot of consumer outrage and Congress was upset and the commission has an obligation to enforce its rules that indecent material is prohibited during certain hours from being on television and radio. Its' incumbent that the FCC enforce its rules and we're going to.
    WSJ: Do you think the government should be in the role to decide what's indecent?
    Martin: You always have to be careful when you're talking about the government being involved in content issues. For anyone who expresses concern about what's on television or radio today the first line of defense always has to be the parents. The parents who are with their children and should be watching or supervising what they're watching on television or listen to on radio should be doing everything they can to make sure their children aren't being exposed to things they think are inappropriate. Fundamentally, the government should be trying to provide tools for parents to help them control what's coming into their living rooms and what their kids are exposed to.


    Ok... now correct me if I'm wrong, but he's saying that the numerous complaints is about broadcast television and radio. . But not about Sattelite, etc, right? If there is, I must be blind.... So why is there a comment in the header about sattelite, etc, having anything to do with this?
    More interestingly he says that they base their decisions (at least in part) on the number of complaints...... I find myself wondering what they'd do if a large section of the population copmlained there wasn't enough indecency on TV.

  17. Here's an interesting idea for a study... by Max+Nugget · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unless I'm mistaken all FCC complaint filings are available to the public, with name and address of the filer.

    It would be interesting to interview each of these people, and get answers to the following questions:

    1. What percentage of them actually pay attention to what their children watch and actively keep their kids from watching "bad" shows.

    2. What percentage of them own TVs that include a V-Chip.

    3. What percentage of those whose TVs have a V-Chip are actually making use of it. (!!!)

    It would be a pretty sad statistic if, say, 60% of parents who have filed complaints say stuff like "I don't have time to monitor what my kids watch on the babysitter, uhh, I mean, the television!"

    Far more damning would be the revelation that many parents filing complaints have V-Chips in their televisions and have never bothered activating and configuring them. Oh yes, that would be too much work, but when they walk by and see Fear Factor on TV and their jaw drops, they passionately write the FCC via the PTC's website.

    Seriously, all this complaining about indecency aside, the V-Chip *IS* actually a pretty effective solution, as is the TV ratings system. Really the only problem I see is that some shows really push the boundaries of their ratings, but I rarely see FCC filings complaining simply about shows going beyond their ratings.

    The problem is, many of these people writing in are simply outraged that everyone else's kids are watching this "smut," they want to usurp the authority of all the other parents out there, perhaps so that their kid doesn't grow up in a world where everyone around him is a whole lot smuttier than he/she is. A sympathetic but ultimately illegitimate and immoral goal.

  18. Before everyone whines too much by suitepotato · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The biggest cause of prices being what they are is that we who support these services don't work for free. Have the government do them and you can multiply corruption times ten and watch your taxes climb to cover it. Either way, you WILL pay.

    And right now, YOU the Internet using public are one of the faster growing costs of the Internet: stupidity. It is the common users who infect their machines with viruses, it is idiot spammers abusing the net, it is script kiddies and amature hackers spreading trojans and so on. And we who support it, have to spend part of our busy time dealing with that. And did I mention, we don't work for free.

    It is not a matter of Comcast profiteering or having some supposed monopoly. It is not about local or state governments not giving out municipal wireless (yes, let's trust our pipe to the net to the same people we otherwise wouldn't trust as far as we could throw them on any other subject). It's about the fact that building out miles and miles of fiber and copper costs. It's about the fact that thousands and thousands of industrial-duty routers and switches costs. It's about the fact that facilities to house the aforementioned items costs. It's about the fact that the people who KEEP it working despite the (l}users doing their level best to level the network, disrupt their own connections, and otherwise fark up their service and the service of others costs.

    Just as with coding, I don't work for free. What I write isn't coming to you for free, the service I support in my day job isn't coming to you for free. But I don't expect too many to care. I see every day fellow support techs carp about the McDonald's wages they are now being offered to do jobs which used to pay $35K/year but then complaining that their high speed Internet costs. All I can do is shake my head as I give them a penalty line bounce lart.

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    1. Re:Before everyone whines too much by tritesnikov · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So what you are saying is that you underestimated the amount of traffic that your routers would have to handle? Boo hoo. I payed $55 for month's use of a 4Mbps down and 350kbps(?) up (not quite sure of the actual up speed) connection and expect to have it. I should be able to load it with bittorrent traffic and whatever other traffic I want that maxes out my connection for the entire month.

      Illegal or not. Now, let me qualify that. ISP's shouldn't care what I transfer, until otherwise notified by the appropriate authority that I am downloading movies or whatnot. Then, and only until then, should it be their prerogative to do something about it. (The whole common carrier thing.)

      It also behooves the ISP's to take this position themselves, as otherwise it opens them up to whole worlds of liability. Copyright holders will want the ISP's to spend money in a futile effort to try and stop copyright infringement. This would entail spending money on buying and supporting equipment to monitor traffic, which I would imagine would not be too cheap considering the processing power needed to even start such an initiative given the amount of traffic flowing around.

      First you have to be able to identify types of traffic (i.e., bittorrent), and have enough data to make sure that you can identify it properly. Then, you have to be able to decide if the traffic is legitmate or not, which would entail keeping an ever-changing list of torrent files and whatnot to be able to identify the traffic as illegal. Also, where do you get these lists? Is it your responsibility to go out and find these lists, thereby increasing your costs to maintain staff and additional equipment to do this? Is it something that copyright holders send you? What if they are wrong and you cut off legitimate traffic? Lawsuit, here we come. Now, let's start adding in other p2p networks and all of the equipment and maintenance that that would take. And this is even before privacy implications start to come in to play. Oh yeah, and if bittorrent or a derivative protocol ever start using encryption and becomes popular, all of that effort is now wasted. What are you going to do, start doing man-in-the-middle attacks to encrypted connections, and adding more processing power and cost to decrypt the connections to be able to monitor them? And if anyone finds out, and they will, hello lawsuit #2.

      Man, buying another router or two doesn't sound so bad anymore.

      The point is, people have payed for a month's worth use of whatever connection they have. If the overbooking assumptions on the neighborhood routers and pipes are not correct, then those assumptions need to change. The cost of any other solution is much higher. I guess there's always the old rate hike that could be used, but that still doesn't change the fact that the month's use of that connection was paid for and so it is that customer's right to use it full bore for the entire month if they want to, because that is what they purchased.

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  19. Why is broadband important? by Balthisar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So I've never asked myself this, and I'm tempted to make this a separate ask-slashdot question, but why the heck is broadband so important? Most of all, why is it a federal government interest?

    If I didn't have broadband, I'd still have a POTS line or ISDN, plus dialup, I guess. I couldn't watch Battlestar Galactica without a lot more patience, free music would be a lot more annoying, and iTunes music store could be less popular.

    So, I can afford cable internet and won't give it up until I can no longer afford it. But would my life suck without it? Would I be out of touch with my government? Blocked from /.? At some type of disadvantage in this world?

    Is there really some compelling interest in that EVERYONE have broadband?

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  20. Publically stated goals != unstated true goals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "he began circulating plans to loosen rules so neither phone nor cable companies will be required to share their Internet connections with competitors like America Online,"

    Exactly how is this in line with his stated goal of increasing broadband access his top priority?
    Wouldn't this increase broadband prices, which in turn would cause FEWER homes to get broadband?

    Obviously, he needs practice at spinning so that the publically stated goal and plans to achieve the unstated true goal doesn't make him look like a fool.

    Sounding like a fool or making the unstated goal so damned obvious isn't the best way to repay campaign contributors who helped his boss get elected.

    Anyone care to show the specifics players by digging up specifics and crafting a link to http://www.opensecrets.org/ ?

    Better yet, I'd love to see a website that basically documents publically stated objectives, subsequent actions, and link them to the campaign contributors while refraining from opinions or accusations. The facts alone would make things crystal clear to the general public. Everything published would have to be verifiable of course so that it would stand up to scrutiny.

    For example, a neat table showing the following would be particularly useful in countering spin:

    Appointed or Elected official
    Appointed by (if any)
    Primary campaign contributors
    Publically stated goals
    Actual actions taken
    Quantificable impact of actions on campaign contributors
    Quantifiable impact of actions on other Americans

  21. Re:it's their wires by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Informative
    Well, ignoring that the infrastructure may have been publicly subsidized, why shouldn't the people who own the wires be able to decide what to do with them? Why can't they only allow their own network connections across those wires? Or charge competitors extra to use it?

    If they own every inch of the land over which the wires run, sure. That, however, is never the case.

  22. Re:Going forward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Your argument would be valid if the phone companies made the investment. Their money didn't build the infrastructure, your tax money did. Phone company build out is heavily subsidised.

    These companies are also not "leeching" off anything. They don't get the lines for free just because their competitors asked. The phone company still charges a fee for use of that line.

  23. Why do you hate the Constitution? by glrotate · · Score: 2, Insightful
    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


    There you have it: Order, Justice, Tranquility, Defense, Welfare, Liberty.


    Your notion of laissez fair was thrown on the scrapheap of stupid ideas in Washington's first term. Read up on Alexander Hamilton's Reports on Credit and Manufacturing and Congress' endorsement of them, including many of the "founding fathers", for more info.

  24. Re:An Ideal Government by maxpublic · · Score: 2

    He (or she) is attempting to do the same thing, and analyze what things are necessary, and *why*.

    I see there's a reason you're posting AC. You apparently haven't mastered the ability to correct interpret your native language. Spares you the embarrassment, eh?

    Read what I said: discussion of a government system in the U.S. that isn't based on the Constitution is nothing more than a mind game because unless there's a violent revolution the Constitution *isn't going away*. So if you want to be serious about reconstructing government you *have* to start with the Constitution - everything else is just pissing into the wind.

    Max

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