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U.S. Gov't Grows Giant Mutant Trout
An anonymous reader writes "USDA scientists are genetically engineering trout that have three sets of chromosomes instead of the usual two. Trout with three chromosome grow faster because they are unable to reproduce, and energy from the food they eat is shifted from reproduction to growth. No word on whether said trout produce more fish fingers than their non-Frankenstein brothers."
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First you give me sea bass, mutated sea bass and now these? I asked for sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads, people!
Seems fishy to me.
Why go through this sort of effort to make bigger trout?
Why not just farm-raise fish of a larger species (like catfish)?
Can I get the goverment to make a genetically-altered giant version
of all my other favorite foods too? (e.g. Twinkies)
Is this a good use of our tax dollars?
I, for one, welcome our genetically engineering trout that have three sets of chromosomes instead of the usual two Overlords.
Still no cure for cancer.
It's good to see that we're on the same wacky science boat as the Chinese
i don't care
Not only should we have giant genetically engineered food animals, but we should make them smart, just to tell God and anyone else who the new boss is.
Energy is shifted from reproduction to growth?
Polyploid organisms are bigger because their cells are bigger, not because their energy is transferred.
They also say that because the triploid trout can't reproduce, there is no danger to existing stocks, but they seem to have forgotten the fertile tetraploid trout used to produce them.
Interesting factiod: the same technique used to produce the triploid trout is used to produce the triploid seedless watermelons in your supermarket.
Trout with three chromosome sets grew faster than fish with two sets, so the industry tries to breed fish with three sets for meat production. Rainbow trout with three sets of chromosomes grow faster because they are unable to reproduce. The energy from the food they eat is shifted from reproduction to growth.
Is this really true? Unless biology has changed much since high school, triploid animals are usually sterile because meiosis fails. They still have gonads, and those gonads still go about trying to produce gametes, they just fail.
They're bigger because the extra set of chromosomes codes for additional proteins. At least that's what they used to say.
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Giant mutant trout with Klinefelter's syndrome. Just what the world needs.
In an amusing bit of coincidence, the best test for Klinefelter's is known as FISH.
That green slime had it coming.
do they have three eyes?
(blinkey)
Supplies!
So the Dep't of Agriculture is having a clearance sale on rubbish from the Dep't of Energy's nuclear energy/waste sites. Are they financing Superfund sites with bake sales, now that Bush has cut off its budget?
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I, for one, welcome our giant, genetically altered fish overlords.
If they can't reproduce... what on earth is the advantage?
Looks like all we're doing is getting 1 step closer to vat grown fish sticks, yee haw!
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a few years back the ecologists and biologist were very worried about a spate of population declines and muliple cases of hideous mutations in frog species. we had lots of 3-legged frogs in places around the US when the French were the only ones who'd want that. UV from depleted ozone, pesticide polution...all sorts of theories were advanced. Turns out ONE of the problems was desease or parasites introduced into ponds and rivers when the Forest Service and restocked fisheries with trout they'd farmed in tanks.
SLASHDOT: news for people who can't concentrate on work or have no life at all and got tired of yelling back at the TV.
Nothing really new to see here. These fish are already being planted in lakes in Washington State. They are called triplods. They are usually planted in heavily fished lakes for sport fishermen to catch. I guess not many slashdotters are sport fishermen.
this and farm run off gets you egg producting male bass in the Potomac River.
compare to what was announced in the news today...
--| US Government Growing Giant Mutant Trout |---
Trout with three chromosome sets grew faster than fish with two sets, so the industry tries to breed fish with three sets for meat production. RAINBOW TROUT WITH THREE SETS OF CHROMOSOMES GROW FASTER BECAUSE THEY ARE UNABLE TO REPRODUCE. The energy from the food they eat is shifted from reproduction to growth.
with what was said in 1924...
--| What Steiner Said About Salmon in 1924 |---
Salmon... have a special organization. They must live in the sea to develop proper muscles. They need earth influences to feed properly and develop muscles. Those earth influences are mainly in the salt in the sea. Salmon must live in the salt of the sea in order to develop strong muscles. But they cannot reproduce if they live in the sea, because they are made in such a way that the sea water closes them off completely from the universe. Salmon would have died out long ago if they had to reproduce in the sea. They are the exception. As they gain their strength in the sea -- where they develop muscle -- they are in the first place fairly blind, and in the second place are unable to reproduce. Their reproductive organs and their sense organs grow weak, they are dull. But salmon grow big in the sea. Now to prevent the salmon from dying out -- we can see this by considering the salmon in the North Sea and over in the Atlantic -- salmon migrate up the Rhine year after year. This is why they are called Rhine salmon. But the Rhine makes salmon lean; they lose their muscles. The size to which they have grown in the salty sea is lost in the Rhine. The salmon get really slender; they lose their muscles. Their sense organs and above all their reproductive organs, male and female, develop to an enourmous degree, and the salmon are able to reproduce in the Rhine. The salmon must thus migrate from the salty sea to the freshwater Rhine every year in order to reproduce. They have to grow lean, because the old ones who are still living and the young ones that have arrived all migrate back to the sea, to lose their slenderness and gain in size.
(Rudolf Steiner, Lecture: FEtE - February 9, 1924; GA 352)
If you see in one creature an exceptional trait
In some way bestowed, then ask at once where it suffers
Elsewhere some lack, and search with investigative spirit.
At once you will find to each form the key,
For never did beast, with all kinds of teeth his upper
Jaw bone bedecking, bear horns on its forehead,
And therefore a horned lion the eternal mother
Could not possibly fashion though she apply her full strength;
For she has not mass enough, rows of teeth
To fully implant and antlers and horns to push forth.
(Goethe, Metamorphosis of Animals)
...when they have news like this and absolutely no pictures. Remember the giant catfish? Most of the value of the news was in the pictures which showed the fish compared with people, pictures worth a thousand words.
Now how would you feel if you had read all about elephants and never seen one?
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
/me slaps [nick] around a bit with a large trout brings a new meaning to LARGE trout...
Am I the only one that thought of the syndicated TV version of War of the Worlds where the alien invaders had triple helix DNA?
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Give a man a fish, you feed him for a....proximately 3 1/2 weeks. Teach a man to genetically alter fish for increased yield...
Don't you hate people who always repeat themselves and are long-winded and overly redundant and talk too much?
Instead of Mutant Trout, they should call it Mule Trout. A mule is result of sex between a horse and a jack ass. A mule has no sex organs.
Frankenstien was the doctor not the monster
Also not all GM is bad, some of it is benificial to us provided each new mutant is throughly checked out for undesirable side effects.
"Genetic engineering is our way of corecting gods horible, horible mistakes" - Mr. Maky
In the not too distant future, next Sunday A.D.
They gained chrmosomes by a third and will increase their mercury by half!
Mmmmm, metaly.
Why do you insist that life is sacred or taboo? Why not remove a genetic code here and add another code there? Is life so sacred that it brooks no improvement?
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