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Utah Teens Invent Better Air Conditioner

Carl Youngblood writes "Two recent Utah high school graduates won the first-ever Ricoh Sustainable Development Award for inventing a better car air conditioner based on the Peltier effect. The peltier chips used in the device are more energy-efficient, last between 20 and 30 years, are solid-state, and don't harm the environment with ozone-depleting freon like today's car air conditioners."

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  1. In today's society... by dpdawson · · Score: 4, Insightful
    More efficient?
    Last longer?
    Better for the environment?

    It'll never catch on.

  2. Re:Peltiers by calidoscope · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Modern air conditioners have energy efficiencies approaching 400%.

    Ummmm, I believe the term you want to use is "coefficient of performance" - which is how many watts of heat are transferred per watt of electrical power used. Also called an energy efficiency ratio.

    Having said that, your point about the relative efficiencies of mechanical refrigeration units vs Peltier effect devices is correct. I have a ~18 cu ft fridge in my garage that uses less energy than a 1 cu ft Peltier cooler. Another point, the main focus for the development of Gadolinium refrigeration was to replace Peltier effect devices for small scale refrigeration needs.

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  3. Re:freon? by Technician · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the new Prius, the AC is no longer belt driven. This eliminates the shaft seal, a common wear and slow leak source. The new AC is electric using a sealed compressor much like a home AC unit.

    The peltier chips used in the device are more energy-efficient, last between 20 and 30 years,

    I have a solid state ice chest. I don't believe the expected life rating when applied to a solution where condensation is present. It does not apply when they are used in high humidity. Corrosion from condensation kills these in a very short time. The module in my fridge died long ago from condensation caused corrosion. I would not want these in any application that runs below the dew point. Since my AC in my car is designed to run below the dew point to defog windows, there is no way I want a cooling solution that dies when it gets wet. Speaking of more energy-effecient; More effecient than what? Older modules, compressor driven? I have not seen any peltier chips ready to replace the compressor driven freezers and window AC compressors. They simply don't remove enough heat.

    An advantage a working fluid AC has over a solid state solution is the hot side can be far removed from the cold side. The radiator for most car AC units is in front of the engine in cool air. A solid state AC would have the hot side behind the engine next to the passanger compartment. Just where were they planning on putting their waste heat? A typical car AC unit is over 20,000 BTU's. How many BTU is their system?

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  4. Re:No more freon in cars by drsmithy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    well that and the insane amounts they have to spend on workers salaries and benefits when compared to the rest of the world.

    You mean compared to countries like Germany and France ? (Well known everywhere as bastions of conservative capitalism and mercifully free of the unionised workplace).

  5. The Official R-12/R-134a/Freon Thread by DasBub · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's set the record straight, here.

    The noun "Freon" has a double meaning. Strictly speaking, it is the trademark name of refrigerant R-12, a single product of a specific formulation.

    Due to its popularity it has become a sort of catch-all term used to describe an entire family of products. Much the same way that all couches can be called Chesterfields or all tissues can be called Kleenex, Freon can be used to describe a family of refrigerants.

    As well all know, the actual Freon refrigerant, R-12, has been banned for a decade now. In this way, it is proper to say that no air conditioning unit in the US, Canada, etc., made since 1995 uses Freon.

    The currently widespread refrigerant is R-134a, trademark name "Suva". It's chemically different from "Freon", but can be described as being part of the Freon family. This can make casual discussions a bit muddled as everyone argues whether or not Suva is Freon... Well, maybe I'm the only one having that type of casual discussion...

    So, to make a short story long:

    Freon is a Freon, Suva is a Freon, but Suva is not Freon. Got it?

  6. Re:/.ed by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, this article sounds like "really, really bad misunderstanding of science".

    The reason why the Peltier effect isn't used everywhere a heat pump is needed - and it's a really neat effect, mind you, as it has no moving parts, little to get corroded, is small and lightweight, etc - is that it's inefficient. We're talking god-awful inefficient until recently (~5%), and even now we're trying to stretch it to ~20% in the lab (no easy task).

    As another poster mentioned, conventional refrigeration systems are quite efficient - at least, by themselves. Now, for a home refrigerator, it doesn't work out so nicely, because your power is being generated at 50% efficiency, transformed multiple times at a loss, suffers transmission losses on the way to your house, etc (that's why propane and even solar refrigeration systems are more efficient). But for a system like in a car, where the motor is directly running the compressor, it's going to be very efficient.

    The Peltier chips - inefficient on their own - suffer from the inverse problem that the refrigerator suffers from! They need DC electrical power, but what the car engine produces is mechanical power! The car's alternator produces AC at a loss, which is rectified to DC, which then goes to the lossy Peltier chips. Assuming "ebay chips" are, say, 5% efficiency, we're looking at an overall system efficiency of 1-2%. Yeah, great way to save gas.

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  7. [Addendum] by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember when the Discovery Channel was all about actual learning and knowledge?

    On a related note, remember when MTV involved music?

    And the Republican party was conservative?

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