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Possession of Cantenna Now Illegal?

Mad-Mage1 writes "The recent arrests in Florida and the UK of men who were accessing unsecured wireless hotspots has created a flood of articles that contain panic inducing rhetoric. "A small subset of computer-savvy hackers has the know-how and gadgets for more nefarious activities," claims the Sacramento Bee (via Techdirt). "They're (Pringles cans fashioned into antennas) unsophisticated but reliable, and it's illegal to possess them," quips Sacramento County Sheriff's Lt. Bob Lozito of the Sacramento Valley Hi-Tech Crimes Task Force." I hope they tell Fry's about all the illegal antennas they're stocking, too.

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  1. Possesion is fine, use often illegal by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

    The cantenna itself isn't illegal to posess, but it may very well be illegal to use if it boosts the directional signal beyond the FCC's limit. Remember, 2.4GHz space is unlicensed, but it's not completely unregulated. Power limits are in place to prevent greedy users from stepping on the whole band and locking out others. (See FCC rules.)

    The reason why there's all those proprietary connections in antenna space is because you're only supposed to use antennas that are approved for use with the transmitting device, so you stay within the perscribed limits for effective directional power. (Just recently the FCC announced plans to allow for mix-and-matching of antennas.) Connect a tightly directional antenna to a transmitter that's operating at full power meant for omnidirectional use, and you'll have an illegal setup. That's exactly the situation most canttenas find themselves in.

  2. In a word... YES, but... by EggMan2000 · · Score: 5, Informative

    First of all Here is the reg sheet on low powered unlicensed transmitters
    See Page 2 - Antenna Requirements
    Changing the antenna on a transmitter can significantly increase, or decrease, the strength of the signal that is ultimately transmitted. Except for cable locating equipment, the standards in Part 15 are not based solely on output power but also take into account the antenna characteristics. Thus, a low power transmitter that complies with the technical standards in Part 15 with a particular antenna attached can exceed the Part 15 standards if a different antenna is attached. Should this happen it could pose a serious interference problem to authorized radio communications such as emergency, broadcast and air-traffic control communications.
    In order to prevent such interference problems, each Part 15 transmitter must be designed to ensure that no type of antenna can be used with it other than the one used to demonstrate compliance with the technical standards. This means that Part 15 transmitters must have permanently attached antennas, or detachable antennas with unique connectors. A "unique connector" is one that is not of a standard type found in electronic supply stores.
    (Section 15.203)
    It is recognized that suppliers of Part 15 transmitters often want their customers to be able to replace an antenna if it should break. With this in mind, Part 15 allows transmitters to be designed so that the user can replace a broken antenna. When this is done, the replacement antenna must be electrically identical to the antenna that was used to obtain FCC authorization for the transmitter. The replacement antenna also must include the unique connector described above to ensure it is used with the proper transmitter.
    Now here is the stick. So yes, technically under federal law they are.
    If the operation of a non-compliant transmitter causes interference to authorized radio communications, the user should stop operating the transmitter or correct the problem causing the interference. However, the person (or company) that sold this non-compliant transmitter to the user has violated the FCC marketing rules in Part 2 as well as federal law. The act of selling or leasing, offering to sell or lease, or importing a low-power transmitter that has not gone through the appropriate FCC equipment authorization procedure is a violation of the Commission's rules and federal law. Violators may be subject to an enforcement action by the Commission's Field Operations Bureau that could result in:
    Section 15.1
    Section 15.5
    Section 2.803
    Section 2.805
    Section 2.1203
    o forfeiture of all non-compliant equipment
    o $100,000/$200,000 criminal penalty for an individual/organization
    o a criminal fine totalling twice the gross gain obtained from sales of the non-compliant equipment
    o an administrative fine totalling $10,000/day per violation, up to a maximum of $75,000

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  3. They're illegal to use, but not to possess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Pringles can antennas are legal to own in the US. They are not legal to use for 802.11 equipment because you are only permitted to use an antenna that has been expressly approved for the specific model of 802.11 base station that you are using it with.

    When Linksys comes up with a new antenna design, they must test it with every single AP they want it to be legal to use it with. The idea is that you can't accidentally transmit a stronger signal than you're supposed to.

    If you are a radio amateur, you can re-classify the gear and use it legitimately, as long as you use no encryption, no swearing, nothing commercial, etc. etc.

    However, for most people, and most uses, pringles can antennas are unquestionably illegal to use. They also usually don't work that well - many of them are _directional_, sure, but they're directional because they're weak in most directions, rather than strong in a particular one.

    A good antenna would mask the signals behind you and boost the signals in front. Many pringles designs mask the signals behind you but don't amplify the ones in front. That makes them really not very useful.

    1. Re:They're illegal to use, but not to possess... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Informative
      Pringles can antennas are legal to own in the US. They are not legal to use for 802.11 equipment because you are only permitted to use an antenna that has been expressly approved for the specific model of 802.11 base station that you are using it with.

      Subtle (but critical) error in the above. They are not legal for sale on 802.11 equipment if they're not approved. Untested (i.e. not specifically approved by the FCC for that application) homebuilt antennas are perfectly legal so long as the home builder has made a reasonable effort to heep the gain within FCC transmission power limits. Even then, the worst the FCC can do its require that you stop using it upon finding out it does exceed the limit. (See FCC part 15 rules, specifically 15.23)

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  4. Cantennas not illegal to own or use. by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 5, Informative
    "They're unsophisticated but reliable, and it's illegal to possess them," said Lozito of the Hi-Tech Crimes Task Force.

    Lozito, meet fcc part 15 rules:

    Sec 15.23: home built devices
    1. Equipment authorization is not required for devices that are not marketed, are not constructed from a kit, and are built in quantities of five or less for personal use.
    2. It is recognized that the individual builder of home-built equipment may not possess the means to perform the measurements for determining compliance with the regulations. In this case, the builder is expected to employ good engineering practices to meet the specified technical standards to the greatest extent practicable. The provisions of Sec. 15.5 apply to this equipment.

    Also, cantennas are no better (except in terms of price) than commercially available antennas which are also legal to own and use, provided you use them in accordance with fcc regulations, for instance by not exceeding power and gain limits, and without breaking any other applicable laws.

    (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, or an RF engineer)

  5. Email reply from the officer by bani · · Score: 5, Informative

    I contacted the officer asking for clarification of his claim:

    bani: Er, what exact law makes cantennas illegal? I'd seriously like to know.

    bob_lozito: Bad quote.

    bani: is there an accurate transcript or recording available?

    bob_lozito: Not sure. Either way, it is not illegal and if I inferred it, I was
    wrong. I have had so many emails concerning this, it is getting to the
    point that I cannot get any work done.

    I cannot reply to all of you but am trying to do the best I can.


    He admitted he was wrong, maybe we can cut him some slack?

    1. Re:Email reply from the officer by billdar · · Score: 3, Informative
      I have been trying to contact the reporter after seeing this... any one else get through?

      The Bee's Erika Chavez can be reached at (916) 321-1203 or echavez@sacbee.com.

      from http://sacbee.com/content/news/crime/story/1320241 9p-14045441c.html

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  6. Re:How about parts? by Em+Ellel · · Score: 5, Informative


    'm sorry, but how can an antenna possibly be illegal? If that were true, then a long piece of wire would now be illegal too.


    I am not a specialist, but I vaguely remember that every antenna used for transmission in that range (2.4Ghz included) is supposed to be FCC approved and not modified, much like every electronic device sold in US must pass FCC tests, etc. Even combining two FCC approved antennas or using an approved antenna for a purpose other than what it is tested for, requires a separate approval.

    Again, I am no speciallist.

    -Em

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  7. Re:How about parts? by taniwha · · Score: 5, Informative
    The issue has to do with transmitted signal strength - which what is what is limited by the FCC. A transmitter with an omnidirectional antenna will expend it's power in all directions, a pringles can antenna takes all that power and squirts it in one direction resulting in a higher signal strength in the desired direction .... that's why it works so well.

    As an extreme example you might consider 'safe' signal levels rather than regulated levels - a high power omnidirectional antenna at some level L might be safe to be around ... but if all that power's concentrated by a dish in the same direction you don't want to get in the way (if you want kids for example) - that's why those satellite uplink dishes have all those warnings on them.

    Receiver antennas are unregulated though - it's legal to have a stock wifi transmitting antenna ... but a pringles can receiver - probably not much use unless you have a pringles receiver on both ends though

  8. More legal tidbits by scorp1us · · Score: 3, Informative

    Title 47, section 151 (Creation of FCC):

    For the purpose of regulating interstate and foreign commerce in communication by wire and radio so as to make available, so far as possible, to all the people of the United States, without discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, or sex, a rapid, efficient, Nation-wide, and world-wide wire and radio communication service with adequate facilities at reasonable charges, for the purpose of the national defense, for the purpose of promoting safety of life and property through the use of wire and radio communications, and for the purpose of securing a more effective execution of this policy by centralizing authority heretofore granted by law to several agencies and by granting additional authority with respect to interstate and foreign commerce in wire and radio communication, there is created a commission to be known as the "Federal Communications Commission", which shall be constituted as hereinafter provided, and which shall execute and enforce the provisions of this chapter.

    Title 47, section 153 (Definitions) :

    (22) Interstate communication

    The term "interstate communication" or "interstate transmission" means communication or transmission
    (A) from any State, Territory, or possession of the United States (other than the Canal Zone), or the District of Columbia, to any other State, Territory, or possession of the United States (other than the Canal Zone), or the District of Columbia,
    (B) from or to the United States to or from the Canal Zone, insofar as such communication or transmission takes place within the United States, or
    (C) between points within the United States but through a foreign country; but shall not, with respect to the provisions of subchapter II of this chapter (other than section 223 of this title), include wire or radio communication between points in the same State, Territory, or possession of the United States, or the District of Columbia, through any place outside thereof, if such communication is regulated by a State commission.

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    Clearly the FCC does not have jurisdiction in matters of intRAstate commerce.

    No authority is conferred to it by congress. It is because that is the sole domain of state governments. The consitution LIMITS the powers of the federal government as well as establishes them. In this regard, congress's authority to control intrastate broadcasts is limited.

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  9. most cantennas well within limits by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 5, Informative
    Connect a tightly directional antenna to a transmitter that's operating at full power meant for omnidirectional use, and you'll have an illegal setup. That's exactly the situation most canttenas find themselves in.

    The limit for part 15 devices is 1 watt (30 dbm) absolute power or 4 watts (36 dbm) effective radiated power (EIRP). Most wireless cards are around 35 milliwatts (~15 dbm), and are well within the absolute limit. EIRP is measured as transmit power+gain, so a 15 dbm wireless card connected to a 12 dbi cantenna gives us 27 dbm EIRP, about 1/10th the legal EIRP limit. (Note: this is for point-to-multipoint communication. The gain restriction is much looser for point-to-point setups.)

    Those who use high power cards (200 milliwatt (~23 dbm) wireless cards are available) may be close to or over the limit, but I doubt they represent a majority of cantenna deployments.

    Homemade antennas are permissible according to part 15 section 23 (subject to a few restrictions).

  10. WTF, message of article lost by geekee · · Score: 4, Informative

    So whoever wrote the post and the editor missed the point of the article entirely. The article is telling people to secure their wireless networks to prevent unwanted guests accessing your network for nefarious purposes. However, one line was pulled out of the article, saying possessing certain antennae is illegal, when it probably should have said these antennae can be used illegally by breaking the FCC maximum output power requirements for WiFi. The point was to warn people that a person doesn't need to be parked next to your house to access your network, since by using the right equipment, someone can access your network from a long distance. Given all the publicity on /. over security, I'm surprised that an article claiming that people need to lock down their wireless networks is described as "containing panic inducing rhetoric".

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  11. seems to be a misquote by the reporter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/65821

    before you spam him into oblivion perhaps give it a second thought:

    Several users e-mailed Lt. Bob Lozito to let him know he was dead wrong. You can't broadcast with a Cantenna or you'll violate FCC guidelines, but you can receive signal. Also, there's no law on the books in any state we're aware of that would make owning a makeshift Wi-Fi antenna illegal. "have received several similar emails," says Lozito. "My comment was not accurately quoted," he states.

  12. "Cantenna" is a registered trademark of by swschrad · · Score: 3, Informative

    the Heath Company, approximately 1961, for its brand of oil-filled dummy loads for amateur radio tuning use. Heath is still around. try calling these the "chiptennas" instead, eh?

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  13. Re:How about parts? by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm sorry, but how can an antenna possibly be illegal? If that were true, then a long piece of wire would now be illegal too.

    Actually it's my understanding from working with a WISP that the cantenna would be illegal as far as the FCC is concerned.

    Our lawyer and the local FCC field people always told us that the entire system had to be certified for Part 15 before it could be used. Even if you build a system out of certified pieces and parts (say an amplifier and an antenna) it's still not Part 15 compliant unless the complete system is certified.

    Now of course that doesn't mean that mere possession of such a device would be illegal. But in the eyes of the FCC you could receive a notice of violation if you were to actually use an uncertified system.

    Just food for thought.

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  14. part 15 section 23: home-built devices by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 4, Informative
    I vaguely remember that every antenna used for transmission in that range (2.4Ghz included) is supposed to be FCC approved and not modified

    That's true for anything mass produced, but there is an exception for homemade devices:

    Sec. 15.23 Home-built devices.
    1. Equipment authorization is not required for devices that are not marketed, are not constructed from a kit, and are built in quantities of five or less for personal use.
    2. It is recognized that the individual builder of home-built equipment may not possess the means to perform the measurements for determining compliance with the regulations. In this case, the builder is expected to employ good engineering practices to meet the specified technical standards to the greatest extent practicable. The provisions of Sec. 15.5 apply to this equipment.
  15. Re:National TURN IN YOUR: Pringles cans? by jo42 · · Score: 5, Informative

    42 cents.

  16. updated address. by infonography · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sorry folks, looks like I had bad info. http://www.sachitechcops.org/ Hi-Tech Crimes Task Force 4510 Orange Grove Avenue Sacramento, CA 95841 http://www.sachitechcops.org/news022205.htm Apologies to those who mailed out already.

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