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Possession of Cantenna Now Illegal?

Mad-Mage1 writes "The recent arrests in Florida and the UK of men who were accessing unsecured wireless hotspots has created a flood of articles that contain panic inducing rhetoric. "A small subset of computer-savvy hackers has the know-how and gadgets for more nefarious activities," claims the Sacramento Bee (via Techdirt). "They're (Pringles cans fashioned into antennas) unsophisticated but reliable, and it's illegal to possess them," quips Sacramento County Sheriff's Lt. Bob Lozito of the Sacramento Valley Hi-Tech Crimes Task Force." I hope they tell Fry's about all the illegal antennas they're stocking, too.

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  1. How about parts? by fembots · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What if the Pringles Antenna is not assembled, but all the necessary parts are in your possession?

    1. Re:How about parts? by antarctican · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but how can an antenna possibly be illegal? If that were true, then a long piece of wire would now be illegal too.

      Hrm, no, we're talking 2.4GHz, I guess that would actually be a *short* piece of wire, my bad.

      But regardless, it's like saying owning a screwdriver is illegal because it could be used to take the hinges off an insecure door. Dumb.

    2. Re:How about parts? by Em+Ellel · · Score: 5, Informative


      'm sorry, but how can an antenna possibly be illegal? If that were true, then a long piece of wire would now be illegal too.


      I am not a specialist, but I vaguely remember that every antenna used for transmission in that range (2.4Ghz included) is supposed to be FCC approved and not modified, much like every electronic device sold in US must pass FCC tests, etc. Even combining two FCC approved antennas or using an approved antenna for a purpose other than what it is tested for, requires a separate approval.

      Again, I am no speciallist.

      -Em

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    3. Re:How about parts? by taniwha · · Score: 5, Informative
      The issue has to do with transmitted signal strength - which what is what is limited by the FCC. A transmitter with an omnidirectional antenna will expend it's power in all directions, a pringles can antenna takes all that power and squirts it in one direction resulting in a higher signal strength in the desired direction .... that's why it works so well.

      As an extreme example you might consider 'safe' signal levels rather than regulated levels - a high power omnidirectional antenna at some level L might be safe to be around ... but if all that power's concentrated by a dish in the same direction you don't want to get in the way (if you want kids for example) - that's why those satellite uplink dishes have all those warnings on them.

      Receiver antennas are unregulated though - it's legal to have a stock wifi transmitting antenna ... but a pringles can receiver - probably not much use unless you have a pringles receiver on both ends though

  2. Yeah yeah by Azarael · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lets make windows illegal too, after all, it only *automatically* hacks into unsecured AP's.

  3. I hope I don't... by highlife · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...end up in the can!

  4. In a word... YES, but... by EggMan2000 · · Score: 5, Informative

    First of all Here is the reg sheet on low powered unlicensed transmitters
    See Page 2 - Antenna Requirements
    Changing the antenna on a transmitter can significantly increase, or decrease, the strength of the signal that is ultimately transmitted. Except for cable locating equipment, the standards in Part 15 are not based solely on output power but also take into account the antenna characteristics. Thus, a low power transmitter that complies with the technical standards in Part 15 with a particular antenna attached can exceed the Part 15 standards if a different antenna is attached. Should this happen it could pose a serious interference problem to authorized radio communications such as emergency, broadcast and air-traffic control communications.
    In order to prevent such interference problems, each Part 15 transmitter must be designed to ensure that no type of antenna can be used with it other than the one used to demonstrate compliance with the technical standards. This means that Part 15 transmitters must have permanently attached antennas, or detachable antennas with unique connectors. A "unique connector" is one that is not of a standard type found in electronic supply stores.
    (Section 15.203)
    It is recognized that suppliers of Part 15 transmitters often want their customers to be able to replace an antenna if it should break. With this in mind, Part 15 allows transmitters to be designed so that the user can replace a broken antenna. When this is done, the replacement antenna must be electrically identical to the antenna that was used to obtain FCC authorization for the transmitter. The replacement antenna also must include the unique connector described above to ensure it is used with the proper transmitter.
    Now here is the stick. So yes, technically under federal law they are.
    If the operation of a non-compliant transmitter causes interference to authorized radio communications, the user should stop operating the transmitter or correct the problem causing the interference. However, the person (or company) that sold this non-compliant transmitter to the user has violated the FCC marketing rules in Part 2 as well as federal law. The act of selling or leasing, offering to sell or lease, or importing a low-power transmitter that has not gone through the appropriate FCC equipment authorization procedure is a violation of the Commission's rules and federal law. Violators may be subject to an enforcement action by the Commission's Field Operations Bureau that could result in:
    Section 15.1
    Section 15.5
    Section 2.803
    Section 2.805
    Section 2.1203
    o forfeiture of all non-compliant equipment
    o $100,000/$200,000 criminal penalty for an individual/organization
    o a criminal fine totalling twice the gross gain obtained from sales of the non-compliant equipment
    o an administrative fine totalling $10,000/day per violation, up to a maximum of $75,000

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  5. Re:Wardriving is an exclusively male crime by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Funny

    Geek chicks dig hackers. They pretend like they're all whitehats but you get em chattin' about hackers and you can tell they are down.

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  6. Cantennas not illegal to own or use. by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 5, Informative
    "They're unsophisticated but reliable, and it's illegal to possess them," said Lozito of the Hi-Tech Crimes Task Force.

    Lozito, meet fcc part 15 rules:

    Sec 15.23: home built devices
    1. Equipment authorization is not required for devices that are not marketed, are not constructed from a kit, and are built in quantities of five or less for personal use.
    2. It is recognized that the individual builder of home-built equipment may not possess the means to perform the measurements for determining compliance with the regulations. In this case, the builder is expected to employ good engineering practices to meet the specified technical standards to the greatest extent practicable. The provisions of Sec. 15.5 apply to this equipment.

    Also, cantennas are no better (except in terms of price) than commercially available antennas which are also legal to own and use, provided you use them in accordance with fcc regulations, for instance by not exceeding power and gain limits, and without breaking any other applicable laws.

    (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, or an RF engineer)

  7. Email reply from the officer by bani · · Score: 5, Informative

    I contacted the officer asking for clarification of his claim:

    bani: Er, what exact law makes cantennas illegal? I'd seriously like to know.

    bob_lozito: Bad quote.

    bani: is there an accurate transcript or recording available?

    bob_lozito: Not sure. Either way, it is not illegal and if I inferred it, I was
    wrong. I have had so many emails concerning this, it is getting to the
    point that I cannot get any work done.

    I cannot reply to all of you but am trying to do the best I can.


    He admitted he was wrong, maybe we can cut him some slack?

  8. Re:They're illegal to use, but not to possess... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Informative
    Pringles can antennas are legal to own in the US. They are not legal to use for 802.11 equipment because you are only permitted to use an antenna that has been expressly approved for the specific model of 802.11 base station that you are using it with.

    Subtle (but critical) error in the above. They are not legal for sale on 802.11 equipment if they're not approved. Untested (i.e. not specifically approved by the FCC for that application) homebuilt antennas are perfectly legal so long as the home builder has made a reasonable effort to heep the gain within FCC transmission power limits. Even then, the worst the FCC can do its require that you stop using it upon finding out it does exceed the limit. (See FCC part 15 rules, specifically 15.23)

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  9. most cantennas well within limits by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 5, Informative
    Connect a tightly directional antenna to a transmitter that's operating at full power meant for omnidirectional use, and you'll have an illegal setup. That's exactly the situation most canttenas find themselves in.

    The limit for part 15 devices is 1 watt (30 dbm) absolute power or 4 watts (36 dbm) effective radiated power (EIRP). Most wireless cards are around 35 milliwatts (~15 dbm), and are well within the absolute limit. EIRP is measured as transmit power+gain, so a 15 dbm wireless card connected to a 12 dbi cantenna gives us 27 dbm EIRP, about 1/10th the legal EIRP limit. (Note: this is for point-to-multipoint communication. The gain restriction is much looser for point-to-point setups.)

    Those who use high power cards (200 milliwatt (~23 dbm) wireless cards are available) may be close to or over the limit, but I doubt they represent a majority of cantenna deployments.

    Homemade antennas are permissible according to part 15 section 23 (subject to a few restrictions).

  10. National TURN IN YOUR: Pringles cans? by infonography · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If we as a tech geek worldwide nation were to send Sacramento County Sheriff's by mail our used empty and UNCONTAMINATED cans to 'Prevent them from being used for' "illegal purposes" it may just get some notice and hoist the fools on their own petards.

    Sacramento County Sheriff Department
    3341 Power Inn Rd Ste 313
    Sacramento, CA 95826-3835

    mail them empty and uncapped, just slap the mailing label on it and seal the end with clear tape. we don't want them treated as possible 'other things' it matters not if the get there crushed. We can keep screaming at them that they are fools, but unless the world notices the won't either.

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    1. Re:National TURN IN YOUR: Pringles cans? by jo42 · · Score: 5, Informative

      42 cents.

    2. Re:National TURN IN YOUR: Pringles cans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't be an ass. Your door doesn't send out signals that scream "Please come in and use me" to every person that passes by either. This isn't like breaking and entering, and assuming no protections are enabled, it is perfectly legal and SHOULD be perfectly legal to access the network. It's like operating a web server on port 80, but not telling anybody. If I connect to your site, and it serves me a page, I am not breaking into your network. If you run an open access point, I connect, and it gives me an IP address, I am not breaking into anything and I went to no effort to get connected.