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Windows Vista & IE7 Beta 1 Released

gdsotirov writes "Today on the IE blog the availability of two new beta tests - Windows Vista Beta 1 and Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 - was announced. These tests are mainly targeted to developers and IT professionals. Thus the betas are only available to MSDN subscribers. Tom's Hardware has details as well." From the article: "While the code also includes an early look at the new user-interface design, the majority of end-user features in Windows Vista will not be included until Beta 2. In addition to these fundamentals, Windows Vista Beta 1 also includes the Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 built into the platform. The technical Beta of Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP SP2 also is available today." Any early thoughts, MSDN subscribers?

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  1. Re:MSDN subscribers? by TapeCutter · · Score: 0, Troll

    "Any early thoughts, MSDN subscribers?"
    Do those actually read Slashdot?


    Yes. Also, they know how to construct a sentence.

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  2. Re:The Pirate Bay by Dark_Lord_Prime · · Score: 0, Troll

    "Just because someone charges a lot for something doesn't mean that they are price-gouging."

    No, but charging a lot for something simply because you can, because you have no competition to prevent it, does.

  3. Re:some FFT [food for thought] by tomstdenis · · Score: 0, Troll

    What's wrong with C? If you know what you're doing it can be very useful and safe.

    It's like a scalpel. If you don't know what you're doing you can cut yourself [or others] quite badly. But with training you can make precision cuts that are efficient [say minimal scarring] that get the job done.

    Sure in C you can get buffer overflows, etc, etc but if you know what you're doing when you design the application [or library] those don't really come up.

    And if you think about it, at some point people hav to know the lower level [assembly level for instance] stuff. If everyone on earth just "coded" in C# then you'd have nobody left to develop for say embedded platforms where you have trivial amounts of ram/processing power, etc...

    I'm so sick of seeing these new languages that just exist solely for the sake of existing then become "the norm".

    C for general purpose.
    Perl for string hacking.
    sh for shell tasks.

    Can't get much easier than that. I can you one thing. If you know how the typical processor works [e.g. comfortable coding in assembler], how to use C properly and Perl you can make it a lot further than the typical "computer scientist" that only knows C#....

    Tom

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  4. Re:The Pirate Bay by stinerman · · Score: 0, Troll

    The price gouging claim comes from the idea that anything that is not a tangible object should cost nothing, since the costs of reproducing what is basically an abstract representation of information is nearly zero.

    Think of it this way, if you took your car into the shop to get it fixed and the mechanic flipped a switch in a hidden compartment and then charged you $500 to fix it, you'd be insensed since little actual work was involved. Now if he had taken a few days to work on it and charged $500, you wouldn't think twice. You'd expect the price of the service to be proportional to how much work it takes to render the service.

    Would you pay $20 to learn where to download a free (beer) copy of a program you wanted or would you rather pay $20 for that program (legal issues aside)? Paying for information is simply not something many people are ready to do. I refuse to pay for software for this reason (though, this does not mean I will not donate money to a developer of a favorite app). The idea that an idea has monetary value is not something I agree with.

  5. Re:The Pirate Bay by stinerman · · Score: 0, Troll

    And it is my position that the mechanic engaged in price gouging.

    He is certainly free to charge whatever he wants for his services. I'd be glad to pay him upwards of $50/hr for labor and a good margin for the cost of materials.

    Nut: $5.00
    Labor: $50.00 (where it really should be $.83)
    Knowing where to put the nut: $0

    I'll agree with you. Many things that I can't hold in my hand have intrinsic value. Knowlege is one of them. It is simply my position that knowlege has, or rather, ought to have, no monetary value since it takes nearly zero effort to reproduce.

  6. Re:some FFT [food for thought] by tomstdenis · · Score: 0, Troll

    Um the fact that my software is used in things you can buy at BestBuy [hint: routers and voip boxes from Linksys, and anything that uses MatrixSSL e.g. some dlink equipment for instance] may hint otherwise.

    What you people routinely fail to acknowledge is you can have a built up library of handy functions in C just like your classes in Java/C++/etc.

    I don't sit around all day re-writing AES over and over and over ... I just use the code from my library, I don't re-write bignum multiplications, I just use the code, etc, etc, etc.

    The fact that you can't comprehend the simplest of build instructions [e.g. how to compile/link] shows you really don't understand the basics of how an OS works.

    Even your beloved Java/C# programs go through some level of linking [e.g. importing classes and then compiling against it].

    I'm not saying Java/C# are bad. I'm saying they're not improvements over C. There is a difference

    Tom

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