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Windows Vista & IE7 Beta 1 Released
gdsotirov writes "Today on the IE blog the availability of two new beta tests - Windows Vista Beta 1 and Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 - was announced. These tests are mainly targeted to developers and IT professionals. Thus the betas are only available to MSDN subscribers. Tom's Hardware has details as well." From the article: "While the code also includes an early look at the new user-interface design, the majority of end-user features in Windows Vista will not be included until Beta 2. In addition to these fundamentals, Windows Vista Beta 1 also includes the Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 built into the platform. The technical Beta of Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP SP2 also is available today." Any early thoughts, MSDN subscribers?
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why do you obsess over your enemy? you are like a teenage boy who cannot get over the girl who dumped him.
I am an MSDN subscriber and downloaded this. Wow. This thing is going to go down in history as the best operating system EVER.
Christ, I just want to burn any linux distro cd's NOW, this my friends, is the shape of the future. And it's Microsoft.
Yay, a beta version of XP.
Super.
Anger and frustration are the two major emotions that overcame me when trying out Vista Beta 1 today. I wasn't expecting anything polished or stable by any means but it was a complete disaster in terms of speed(my 386 runs XP faster), stability(I got enraged within the first minutes after the ways too looong installation procedure), UI organization(it made me throw up), look and feel(yuck!), service management, etc. etc. I would not wish it on my worst enemy to be forced testing Vista. Seriously.
These tests are mainly targeted to developers and IT professionals. Thus the betas are only available to MSDN subscribers.
Shouldn't that read: These tests are mainly targeted to developers and IT professionals who have lots of money.
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"Any early thoughts, MSDN subscribers?"
Do those actually read Slashdot?
Yes. Also, they know how to construct a sentence.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
okay first of all lets start with explaining the shorter terms i will use: M$ = Micro$oft M$N = Micro$oft $pywar Ntwork M$DN = Micro$oft $pywar Dvlopr Ntwork (the $ and signs show how mutch they want money for crap) M$DN is to expensive, so nobody can actualy test vista without paying 100$ atleast. Vista is ultra slow i think. Doesn't run on older pc's. And can be considerd as the greatest crap ever made. Now its time for Mac and Linux to strike. Especialy Apple has its chance now. Vista its requirements are too high, i don't think you will be able to play UT 2K7 on it once that comes out, because of the amount of memory and cpu that vista needs.
Let's see
1. shiny windows
2. Crumbled paper shows up in recycle
3. Some sense of a symlink.
WAY TO INNOVATE MSFT!! WOWSERS!!!
Why don't they just drop all this 8.3 namespace bullshit and get with the times. Stop using drive letters, use mount points....
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
"Just because someone charges a lot for something doesn't mean that they are price-gouging."
No, but charging a lot for something simply because you can, because you have no competition to prevent it, does.
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Another attempt at of history-revisionism by a Microsoft shareholder (one assumes so, otherwise why defend a conficted monopolist?). When MS created IE, it was for the sole purpose of killing Netscape and rendering engines were nowhere on the horizon where IE was concerned.
It's also laughable that you say a "good rendering engine" - most developers and users would agree that WinHelp was far superior to the current IE-based kludge.
What's wrong with C? If you know what you're doing it can be very useful and safe.
It's like a scalpel. If you don't know what you're doing you can cut yourself [or others] quite badly. But with training you can make precision cuts that are efficient [say minimal scarring] that get the job done.
Sure in C you can get buffer overflows, etc, etc but if you know what you're doing when you design the application [or library] those don't really come up.
And if you think about it, at some point people hav to know the lower level [assembly level for instance] stuff. If everyone on earth just "coded" in C# then you'd have nobody left to develop for say embedded platforms where you have trivial amounts of ram/processing power, etc...
I'm so sick of seeing these new languages that just exist solely for the sake of existing then become "the norm".
C for general purpose.
Perl for string hacking.
sh for shell tasks.
Can't get much easier than that. I can you one thing. If you know how the typical processor works [e.g. comfortable coding in assembler], how to use C properly and Perl you can make it a lot further than the typical "computer scientist" that only knows C#....
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
The price gouging claim comes from the idea that anything that is not a tangible object should cost nothing, since the costs of reproducing what is basically an abstract representation of information is nearly zero.
Think of it this way, if you took your car into the shop to get it fixed and the mechanic flipped a switch in a hidden compartment and then charged you $500 to fix it, you'd be insensed since little actual work was involved. Now if he had taken a few days to work on it and charged $500, you wouldn't think twice. You'd expect the price of the service to be proportional to how much work it takes to render the service.
Would you pay $20 to learn where to download a free (beer) copy of a program you wanted or would you rather pay $20 for that program (legal issues aside)? Paying for information is simply not something many people are ready to do. I refuse to pay for software for this reason (though, this does not mean I will not donate money to a developer of a favorite app). The idea that an idea has monetary value is not something I agree with.
And it is my position that the mechanic engaged in price gouging.
He is certainly free to charge whatever he wants for his services. I'd be glad to pay him upwards of $50/hr for labor and a good margin for the cost of materials.
Nut: $5.00
Labor: $50.00 (where it really should be $.83)
Knowing where to put the nut: $0
I'll agree with you. Many things that I can't hold in my hand have intrinsic value. Knowlege is one of them. It is simply my position that knowlege has, or rather, ought to have, no monetary value since it takes nearly zero effort to reproduce.
Um the fact that my software is used in things you can buy at BestBuy [hint: routers and voip boxes from Linksys, and anything that uses MatrixSSL e.g. some dlink equipment for instance] may hint otherwise.
... I just use the code from my library, I don't re-write bignum multiplications, I just use the code, etc, etc, etc.
What you people routinely fail to acknowledge is you can have a built up library of handy functions in C just like your classes in Java/C++/etc.
I don't sit around all day re-writing AES over and over and over
The fact that you can't comprehend the simplest of build instructions [e.g. how to compile/link] shows you really don't understand the basics of how an OS works.
Even your beloved Java/C# programs go through some level of linking [e.g. importing classes and then compiling against it].
I'm not saying Java/C# are bad. I'm saying they're not improvements over C. There is a difference
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
I don't know about you, but I don't want to give $300 to a criminal company that funds terrorism. $300 is WAY too steep for a shoddy OS. Ever wonder why this 'piracy', as you facists call it, has run rampant? People don't want to shell out a car payment for something that will get spammer-hijack'd 5 minutes after jacking it into un-nat'd connection.
Your stupid US laws that enforce your so called 'copy protection', 'copywrite', 'patents', 'DRM', and all your other corporate religions, can be flushed to hell for all I care. I don't believe in your corporate religion, and won't bow to your copywrite god. I will never pay for overpriced software. Ive NEVER paid more than $50 for software, and in my opinion Windows isn't even worth that.