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Cable Wants to Cut the Cord

skatephat420 writes "Wired News has featured an article on how "the cable industry wants you to chuck your cable -- at least when you're outside the house. The addition of a fourth wireless component to the cable package is now affectionately known as the 'quadruple play.'" With this addition to the standard package of voice, video and data, how long is it going to take DSL to compete?"

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  1. DSL Does Compete by Dracos · · Score: 2, Informative

    When the DSL provider says you're getting X bandwidth, that's what you and only you get. When the cable company says you get X bandwidth, you're actually sharing it with up to 253 neighbors.

    1. Re:DSL Does Compete by topham · · Score: 2, Informative


      Great, so I get X bandwidth between me, and the local telco switch... at which point it's merged with 253 neighbors.

      Me, I get better bandwidth on Bad days than anyone I know with residential DSL service in this city.

      (500-800KBytes per second on downloads).

    2. Re:DSL Does Compete by AngelofDeath-02 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, I do dsl tech support. And i'm here to inform you that your dsl has a percentage of your line that's being used to maintain that sync.

      And most likely, your ISP doesn't give a damn if its 50% or even 80%.

      What does that mean to you? Well, if you have 1.5MBps and a 66% relcap (to make things easy) you get .5MBps to use. Then you factor the overhead ...

      Its very common to see 20-50% and that's a significant hit on your bandwidth ...

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  2. Re:DSL is still ahead in my book. by ScytheBlade1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's the thing. Comcast (shut up about what the ToS says, really) allows you to do that.

    When they started to crack down on spam, they didn't just kill off :25. They watched the traffic for huge amounts of e-mail, scanned the e-mails, and then cut off the spammers.

    They could have shut off :25 in the blink of an eye, but instead they invested actual money into fixing the problem without pissing off their competent user base. I would know, I'm part of that user base. Additionally, I have some friends working Comcast tech support, and they can likewise vouch for what I've said.

  3. NO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    When my cable co says I get 5 megabits, that 5 megabits is NOT shared among my neighbors. What an idiotic and wrong thing to say.

    What is accurate is that you and your neighbors share the same coax - if there are 1000 people download Linux ISOs or whatever all at once, chances are there will be congestion.

  4. Re:It won't work. by poopdeville · · Score: 2, Informative
    ActionTec has half-decent DSL modems that double as a wired router and wireless access point.

    Yup. They run Linux. If you telnet in, both the login and password are "admin." You can telnet in from both the LAN and WAN sides. Indeed, you can connect to the web administration page from the WAN side. And the CGI script is broken enough to let you open arbitrary files. If it weren't for an utterly complete lack of functionality, I'd be very worried.

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  5. How cable competes... by benjamindees · · Score: 2, Informative

    In my area, cable internet is $25/mo, and I don't have to pay for a phone line or cable TV service. Not everyone wants or needs a land line.

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  6. Re:How DSL can compete? by Babbster · · Score: 2, Informative
    That's great and everything, but it only takes ONE time. Cable service (at least everywhere I've lived) goes out on a regular basis. My grandmother, who loves TV, dropped cable entirely because it just wouldn't stay on. It had a particularly nasty habit of going out for several hours at night (while she was asleep, finding out in the morning that the show[s] she tried to record weren't there), a couple days a week. If she was relying on that cable service for her phone and woke up in the middle of the night with chest pains and limited mobility, she would be SOL when she reached for the phone on her nightstand.

    On the other hand, I can count the number of times our landline service has gone out over the last five years on ONE hand with a few fingers left over.

    VOIP and cell phones may indeed work well enough for a lot of people but it's hard to beat a standard landline for reliability and, as mentioned elsewhere, the fact that phones can work when the power is out is a pretty big trump card. Like most people, we use mostly cordless phones, but there are a couple of phones lying around that requiring no external power just in case we need them.

  7. Re:Verizon has come out of nowhere by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mod parent up!

    Verizon has made a tremendous investment into their infrastructure, and is rolling out their fiber network faster than they rolled out their DSL network. I've had FIOS for about 3 weeks now, and I must say that it's anything short of amazing.

    Where Verizon has really delivered, though, is on price. Unlike Cable, Verizon actually has competitors. Cable TV loves price-fixing, and it's rare to see a community with more than one cable franchise, allowing the companies to charge exorbitant rates while gouging their customers. The remarkable thing about Verizon's DSL/FiOS offerings is that they're significantly cheaper than anything else out there. I pay $35/month for 5/2mbps fibre, while getting 3/.768 service from my cable co. costs $60/month. The STATEWIDE franchises that the cable companies have been granted are striking fear into the hearts of the cable companies. I fully expect a huge legal battle to come out of this debating the legality of such franchises to begin with -- Cable is and always has been a legal monopoly. Healthy competition (Verizon in this case) drives prices down. Hopefully once FiOS-TV is rolled out, the cable co's will be forced to cut their rates and start expanding their HD offerings -- FiOS-TV is said to have 300 channels, about 75 of which are in HD.

      I suppose Verizon expects a huge return on their investment in the fibre network. It's costing them a mint. A typical fios install takes 3 installers about 6-8 hours per residence just to do the premesis wiring and termination. On the up-side, the new network will cost them a lot less to operate than their old copper network. Reduced power draw, smaller local COs, and increased reliability to name a few, not to mention that they've finally rid themselves of copper wiring.

    Hopefully this and satelitte will finally kill off the corrupt cable-tv industry.

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  8. Re:How DSL can compete? by Mordaximus · · Score: 2, Informative

    "VOIP is reliable enough for me. Are you really that frightened not being able to dial 911?"

    Having personally lived through the Ice Storm in 1998 and more recently the massive blackout, i was thankful for a reliable means of communcation, even if it weren't to contact 911. It was also nice to have a reliable method of being reached.

    Even just a normal power outage is not all that uncommon in winter. Following your suggestion, we'd cross our fingers and hope that in an emergency a)The ISP is up, b)The VoIP provider is in a similar state and c) You actually have power to run your end of the VoIP equipment. Brilliant plan.

    Maybe you don't need a landline, but you'll be thankful your neighbour has one when it counts.

  9. Re:How DSL can compete? by kc01 · · Score: 2, Informative
    My sentiments exactly. While others have had a good experience with Comcast, my experiences have not been good.

    • They accidentally unplug my cable, then take 72 hours to reconnect it.
    • I pay for 5 IP addresses (all DHCP, no less), and they can't get more than two working.
    • Nobody there seems to know all the procedures for getting something done. I frequently hear that I "should have called a different department" in order to get something done.
    • Fairly regularly, my service inexplicably drops for minutes to hours at a time.
    • It's impossible to get to any employee authorized to make a decision. All I can reach are incompetent first-level support people and first-level "managers" (who are probably just other support flunkies).
    • They consistently fall down on promises of "we'll have you working in 24-72 hours."
    • Their phone menu takes forever to navigate in order to get to a human.
    • No call to their service department is ever quick- I've rarely been on hold less than 10 minutes, and commonly over a half hour.
    • Their customer service is without a doubt the WORST I have ever seen for ANY kind of service provider.
    • And a personal gripe: The condescending "Thank you for calling Comcast" really irks me. If the friggin' service worked, I wouldn't HAVE to keep calling those bozos!

    There's NO WAY I'll rely on them for telephony. I truly wish they weren't a broadband monopoly. I can't get DSL with any reasonable speed where I live, so Comcast is the only game in town.

  10. Re:I don't either, but the issue is. by rmallico · · Score: 2, Informative

    genuity has a ton at

    4.2.2.4
    4.2.2.5
    4.2.2.6
    4.2.2.7
    4.2.2.8

    they just flat out work.. i don't use comcast's all.. override the ones i get via dhcp from them and put x.x.x.4 and x.x.x.5 and they are fine...

    just ran www.dslreports.com speed test.. 7200/764

    nasty fast...

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