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Ice Lake on Mars

DecoDragon writes "The ESA's Mars Express discovered an ice lake on Mars. The ESA has a number of images and an explanation of what was found. The lake was found in an unnamed crater. The report says it can't be carbon dioxide, because carbon dioxide ice had already disappeared from the northern polar cap at the time the image was taken." Coverage from the BBC also available. From the article: "The team has also been able to detect faint traces of water ice along the rim of the crater and on the crater walls. Mars is covered with deep gorges, apparently carved out by rivers and glaciers, although most of the water vanished millions of years ago. "

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  1. Cool... by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nice pictures. I think the article has one thing wrong, though. It should be possible for the ice to sublimate away above -103 F on Mars. Unless, of course this particular crater never gets that hot...

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    1. Re:Cool... by Qzukk · · Score: 5, Informative

      See the phase diagram for water Here

      It'd be nice if there was some more marks on the axes, but you can see that somewhere below one atmosphere of pressure, you can get directly from ice to vapor.

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    2. Re:Cool... by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sublimnate is the word that describes the phase change from solid to gas without going through the liquid phase. This applies to all substances. There is usually a temperature range where a solid will sublimnate straight to a gas instead on melt then boil. Carbon dioxide (as well as most substances that we normally consider a gas) just happens to not have a liquid range at any temperature under low pressure (Earth atmosphere or below). Water, on the other hand, has a distince sublimation temperature range and a distinct liquid range in Earth normal (and Mars normal) pressure conditions.

      You probably have water sublimating in your very own house, in fact. We call it freezer burn.

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    3. Re:Cool... by jackelfish · · Score: 5, Informative

      I would agree with you, but I think that you assume a surface pressure of only 1 Pa. At the recorded pressures of 0.675-1 kPa for Mars' atmosphere, water remains ice until it reaches a temperature of somewhere between 240 to 275 K (-27 to 35 F). The average recorded temperatures of the surface of Mars ranges between 130-250K (-225 to -9 F) with a mean of 210K, so it is entirely possible for this ice to remain year round without sublimating, or melting at the extreme temperature (275K) and pressure (1 kPa) range. I am only extrapolating these values from a phase diagram for water, therefore the numbers are most likely off. This, of course, also assumes that the sun is not shining on the region in question, as soil temperatures of 300K (+81 F) have been reported.

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  2. Re:Water implies Life by HyperChicken · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, the only evidence of life is that which exists on Earth. On Earth, where there be water, there be life. The statement "All life needs water" is supported by the evidence. The evidences scope, however, is rather narrow.

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  3. Re:This is not news! by srmalloy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not a joke, still from the Astronomy Picture of the Day site, is this picture, which according to the page text, was actually taken back in February, and reported in the June 2005 issue of Nature. So while it's news, it's not new news.

  4. Re:how did we miss that before? by mattdm · · Score: 4, Informative

    really. IANARS*, but how did previous missions miss that? haven't we already imaged most or all of the martian surface from orbit at a resolution high enough to see this glaringly obvious bullseye?

    Well, this patch of ice looks like it has a surface area of what, 75 square km? All of Mars is about 145 million square km, so we're talking about 0.00005% of the surface -- I can kinda see how that might take a while to notice.

    Basically, planets are big -- Mars may be smaller than the earth, but since there's no ocean, it has about the same land area.

  5. Pressure is a factor by Dr.+Zed · · Score: 4, Informative

    When you decrease the atmospheric pressure, you change the freezing and boiling point of water. Under pressure, water favors being a liquid. Without such pressure, the melting point and boiling point would come closer together.

    For more info see this PDF (in particular, figure 5.1). It illustrates the triple point.

  6. Re:Water implies Life by I'm+Spartacus! · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's pretty clear that life requires a solvent of some kind to form the complex molecules needed for life. Try and imagine amino acids forming in ice or some other solid. Water is regarded as the universal solvent since virtually everything will dissolve in it. Add to that that water is pH neutral and it provides a very hospitable environment for these molcules.

    Also, water has the unique property of being less dense in solid form than liquid form, hence ice floats. Thus, when bodies of water freeze, the ice settles on top of it. In other words, water freezes from the surface down, unlike other liquids. This action provides an insulating layer which allows life to flourish under the surface instead of being driven to the surface by ice forming from the bottom up.

    Water also has strong surface tension due to the hydrogen bonding between water molucules. This allows for capillary action in which plant can pull water up against gravity. This isn't necessary for the formation of primitive life, but it's difficult to imagine higher forms of life without it.

    No, all science points to water being the one molecule which is able to nurture and sustain life. It's an amazing compound despite the fact that it's so prevalent that we tend to take it for granted.

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