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SymphonyOS Alpha 4 Released

Whafro writes "Symphony OS Alpha 4 has been released. While an alpha release might not seem like news, this will be the first release that will function sufficiently to be used as a primary OS. As users are anxiously awaiting the ISOs to make their way to the mirrors, Ryan, Jason, and company are now setting their sights on Beta 1. SymphonyOS is a Linux distribution currently based on Knoppix that is a distinct turn away from the norm in terms of OS user interface design."

28 comments

  1. use the torrent, for God's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  2. Torrent File has been mirrored by jmazzi · · Score: 0

    The torrent file has been mirrored here

  3. Anticipation by pharwell · · Score: 1

    Looks really cool from the screenshots. I can't wait to try it out. I love the idea of a radically different UI.

    Kinda wish there was a LiveCD version though, so I wouldn't have to actually install it just to try it.

    Still, I'm excited about it. Let the Symphony begin!

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    1. Re:Anticipation by jmazzi · · Score: 0

      It is a liveCD.

    2. Re:Anticipation by pharwell · · Score: 1

      hmm.... I didn't see anything on the site specifically saying so but I guess you're right. Thanks for the tip.

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    3. Re:Anticipation by i_should_be_working · · Score: 1

      Once you boot from the live cd, there's also an installer if you want to install it. The usual Knoppix script I think.

  4. sensible approach by cahiha · · Score: 1

    This is the first sensible approach towards innovation in GUIs and desktop operating systems I have seen in a long time. Unlike so many other efforts, these people are addressing the question of how to actually improve human computer interaction, while relying on tools that work and that lots of people understand (HTML, Perl, etc.).

    Most of the other desktop efforts (including commercial ones) start from a systems programming perspective and demand that you first throw out all the tools you already know; and despite all that effort, they still end up with messy and complex WIMP interfaces that work little better than their predecessors.

    I don't necessarily agree with all of Jason's principles, but this does look like a worthwhile effort.

  5. kudos on UI so far / how about cursor-trapping? by Khopesh · · Score: 1

    The UI development on SymphonyOS is simply magnificent; I look forward to getting many of the desktop aspects implemented on my Debian system.

    One thought -- the controls on windows are not easily accessed; MacOS resolves this issue by moving menus to the top of the screen, so that you can run your mouse up there and only deal with horizontal manuvering.

    How about when you hold alt, the mouse is trapped inside the current window? This lets you use the corners for four buttons, and with some creative positioning (ie, trap the mouse at the menus instead of the topmost edge of the border), allows the same horizontal-only manuvering for the menus. (Note that this means the corners will not resize. Solve that by offering a resize button.)

    Do recall that most window managers have alt+drag move the current window, so when you hold alt, make a big semi-transparent "move" box appear in the center of the window, and/or have any non-button allow dragging to move teh window.

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    1. Re:kudos on UI so far / how about cursor-trapping? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "allows the same horizontal-only manuvering for the menus"

      Sounds like windowlab to me...

    2. Re:kudos on UI so far / how about cursor-trapping? by Khopesh · · Score: 1

      Sounds like windowlab to me...

      Thanks for mentioning WindowLab, I had never heard of it. WindowLab may have been once ahead of its time, but that is no longer the case; for example, Openbox allows disabling raise-on-click and has a resize hotkey for altering it in two directions at once. The "menubar" mentioned on the project's site refers to the launcher, which most desktop environments have easy access to already.

      Additionally, this does not implement my request. WindowLab does not appear to trap the cursor at all, nor does it give easy access to window decorations or drop-down menus (File, Edit, etc).

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    3. Re:kudos on UI so far / how about cursor-trapping? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "WindowLab does not appear to trap the cursor at all"

      WindowLab does trap the cursor (from WindowLab's site): "the pointer is also constrained to the taskbar/menubar in order to make target menu items easier to hit".

      Why not try it out and see for yourself?

      "nor does it give easy access to ... drop-down menus (File, Edit, etc)."

      No window manager can do this. The problem with applications' drop down menus is that they are handled by the client and not by the window manager, so the only way to change them is to edit the app (or the toolkit it uses) itself. It would be nice if client menus could be implemented in a policy free way so that the window manager (or a "menu manager") could decide to display them in a Mac style top-of-the-screen-menu, X/Windows style menu-in-window, Next style dockable menus or whatever...

    4. Re:kudos on UI so far / how about cursor-trapping? by Khopesh · · Score: 1

      "the pointer is also constrained to the taskbar/menubar in order to make target menu items easier to hit". ... Why not try it out and see for yourself?

      I have no interest in trying it because the feature I have envisioned is not implemented by it. Constraining the pointer to the WM's taskbar/menubar is unimportant to me; I already have both with gdesklets' StarterBar (like the MacOSX launcher) and XFCE4.

      No window manager can do this. The problem with applications' drop down menus is that they are handled by the client and not by the window manager, so the only way to change them is to edit the app (or the toolkit it uses) itself.

      This is not impossible to implement; trap the mouse a few pixels under the bottom of the titlebar. Most (all?) applications that have drop down menus place them directly under the titlebar.

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  6. I was frustrated with the previous release by ndansmith · · Score: 1

    The previous release of Symphony OS was nice to get a first look, but over all, it was disappointing. The UI is still a little clunky, and there was not much in the way of system configuration / customization. On top of that, there is not much pre-loaded software, so you are kinda stuck once you exhaust Firefox/Thunderbird. I guess I will have to be patient and wait for v1.0 (whenever that may be) to get what I am looking for.

    1. Re:I was frustrated with the previous release by vmcto · · Score: 1

      The whole point is that there is not much in the way of configuration / customization...

  7. DM by markild · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that the big thing about this (and it looks awesome!) is the desktop manager.

    What I would love to see is my already configured non-alpha Linux set up with the Mezzo desktop manager.

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    Mulder: Yes we should, but not for this.
    1. Re:DM by LDMackSAE · · Score: 1

      According to the roadmap, Symphony will be moving to Progeny and using the Componentized Linux basis... so that will be easily done when it's complete

  8. You can't have my four corners. by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    The four corners of my screen are already either showing a corner of a window or Showing the Start menu, the clock, and all along the top is a bar for clicking on Application icons. The first one is Firefox and the second one is the Command Prompt. A link to my Media folder is up there too.

  9. FVWM by ThisNukes4u · · Score: 1

    What I find most amusing about this project is that it uses the most unrestrictive Window Manager, FVWM, and turns it into a very restrictive user interface.

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  10. Looks neat, but by 77Punker · · Score: 1

    Do they really need to make a new distribution just for a desktop? I don't understand why it can't just be a piece of software that works across many distributions and OS's like KDE or Gnome.

    1. Re:Looks neat, but by Tanmi-Daiow · · Score: 1

      Well, from my look at the previous release and such. I thought that it was only just a demo environment to test their new GUI ideas. I really hope that they are able to release it seperately. I want to try it out on my Slack system.

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    2. Re:Looks neat, but by Thomas+A.+Anderson · · Score: 1

      I think it will definatly be an option. With Beta 3, one simply had to copy some folders over from the live cd (plus make sure FWVM was installed). Search the SymphonyOS forums for "gentoo" for more info.

      Hope this helps

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    3. Re:Looks neat, but by God_Retired · · Score: 1

      Did a search for "gentoo" and didn't find the information.

      I've been wanting to try out symphonyos for awhile, but the disk doesn't boot on my system. I think it's something with my sata drives. I just don't care enough to figure it out. Also the os part of symphonyOS just bugs me. If it's a desktop call it a desktop.

      I'm just waiting to be able to apt-get (emerge, pacman, whatever) mezzo (symphony, orchestra, whatever the hell), edit some rc for my preferences and boot it up. Kind of like I do for XFCE.

      I can wait though. I guess that I will have to. I really think my girlfriend would like this...

    4. Re:Looks neat, but by Thomas+A.+Anderson · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:Looks neat, but by God_Retired · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the link. That is about as basic as it gets, aside from the apt/emerge/pacman I mentioned earlier. I'm surprised they don't offer the units as a download from their site.

      Now to bed, tomorrow I will definitely be trying it out.

    6. Re:Looks neat, but by Whafro · · Score: 1

      When SOS converts to Componentized Linux in beta 1, mezzo, orchestra, and all of the other components will be available as individual components themselves.

      The reason why this is an OS is because these are, in fact, different components that will be designed to work together to provide a cohesive experience, like OS X. GTK/QT will be themed, packages will be done specially for SOS to maximize ease of installation for newbies, and many system/config utilities will be written in orchestra.

      It's not just about a desktop, but about a complete UI.

  11. I don't know what you people are looking at... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But this looks like *extremely* amateur design to me.

    Is it innovative in the sense that it looks so bad that no one with a UI / Experience Design clue would have ever produced something like this and owned up to it?

    I'm not trying to troll. Really. But E17 has way more promise than this.

  12. boing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does the red and white checked logo remind anyone else of the Amiga's red and white checked boing ball?

  13. Could I ask . . . by wh00dini · · Score: 0

    why wait for the mirrors, when the torrents are available?

    FTFA:
    "The Alpha 4 ISO is currently available via bittorrent and will shortly be available via ftp/http thanks to our primary mirrors, Indiana University and Progeny. Visit the Downloads Page."