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Another Amateur Radio Satellite

k4hg writes "Remember the US Naval Academy satellite with the measuring tape antennas? Well, not only is it still alive after nearly four years in orbit (be sure to read the 2001 Slashdot articles to see who was right and wrong about it working at all!), but the latest satellite to come out of the same lab, called PCSat2, was installed Wednesday on the International Space Station. It is bolted to the space station on the P6 truss, but is otherwise independent, only benefiting from the high mass to drag ratio of the ISS to prolong orbital life. The satellite is alive and transmitting on amateur radio frequencies, I could hear it on a marginal elevation in the Florida Keys. When it come in range of a ground station with better coverage, the data will be viewable here in real time. This new system is in addition to the amateur radio station already operational on the ISS. And yes, they used tape measure antennas again, you could see them deploy on Nasa TV!"

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  1. Re:Stupid Question by k4hg · · Score: 4, Informative
    That is telemetry, which gives the status of the satellite. PCSat2 is a material-science experiment, which monitors 70-odd different solar cells and how they respond to the environment of space. The solar cell performance data is sent via a separate amateur radio system.

    When the checkout is complete and the satellite is opened for general amateur use, it will also relay position between two points on the earth (which is the main function of the first PCSat).

  2. Re:Q: How can we listen to ISS/Shuttle comms? by Juggle · · Score: 5, Informative

    The ISS is fairly easy to recieve, but due to it's low orbit it has a very small footprint meaning you only get about 7-10 minutes each pass when it will be in range.

    On the upside it's got a higher power transmitter than other Amateur radio sattelites so it's a lot easier to hear. I regularly listen to it with just an HT and stock rubber duck antenna. 145.800 is the frequency of interest but what you hear depends on what they're doing with it.

    Most often it's in packet mode so all you'll hear are bursts of data. They aren't very melodic but they do stand out above the background noise so you can tell you're hearing it. It's 1200 baud packet and with something like a $45 TNC-X hooked to your audio you could decode it fairly easily. The packet transmissions are a combination of APRS for position reporting on the earth and the BBS for sharing messages.

    From time to time it gets put into cross band repeat mode where it listens on 437.800 and then retransmits whatever it hears on 145.800 I made a contact through it in that mode just a few weeks ago using nothing more than a homebuilt "J-pole" I usually use for communications on earth based repeaters. (They're real easy antennas to build, just takes one 1/2" copper tee 1 1/2" elbow and 10' of 1/2" copper pipe, lots of sites on the net with plans for them.) For my uplink I thought I was using a 440mhz Jpole I had build but not yet installed but later found out I was using my directional Yagi I built for listening to weaker satelites - amazingly I had that very directional antenna pointing nowhere near the ISS but was still able to get a signal through it very easily.

    The third mode the ISS radio may be in is just a normal radio with an astronaut on the other end. I've yet to be lucky enough to hear it in that mode :(

    However the radio is also off from time to time since it's not a primary mission of the ISS. It's always off when they're on spacewalks to keep down RF exposure.

    The website www.issfanclub.com is a great place to check and see what the current status is. They have an area where people submit what they've heard recently so you can see what mode it's in. Though for some reason the site isn't responding today.

    Because of the ISS's small footprint just knowing it's over NA isn't usually good enough. You'll need a way to check it's actual current position. On Windows I use a package called Orbitron which is postcardware and works great. amsat.org has links to a bunch of other sat tracking programs as well as a tool for finding passes through their site. Also because the ISS tends to move around more than most sats you need to make sure that your keplerian elements are up to date. Those are what the tracking programs use to determine it's exact position. Most sats are fairly fixed in their orbits but the ISS is adjusted from time to time espically when docking with a shuttle or other supply ship.

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  3. Re:Q: How can we listen to ISS/Shuttle comms? by grumling · · Score: 3, Informative
    You can, but it will require a little playing around with an antenna. It is unlikely you will be able to hear with a standard "rubber duck" antenna. I use one of these, made by Arrow Antennas, for working Ham satellites. Then you need to figure out when the satelite will be in range. For example, AO-51 is in a polar orbit. It makes 2 passes per day. I have heard it with a 1/4 wave dipole on my HT, but not very well. The Arrow works much, much better. A good source of location data is the Heavens-Above web site, but if you really get into satelite listening, you'll want to download a tracking program. I use STS Plus, mostly because it is freeware, but there are many others.

    Once you get some idea of when the sat will be overhead, you can start tuning around the transmit frequency. You have to keep the squelch open, and it helps to have a continuous tuning receiver because it is easier to adjust for doppler shift. I wouldn't think the NASA communications between the ISS and ground control is open for the general public (looks like the ground control systems are not easily heard by a scanner anyway), but the HAM stuff is all just narrowband FM. Good luck.

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  4. Antenna Picture by anagama · · Score: 3, Informative
    I didn't see any pictures of this infamous antenna, but some googling brought me to this picture. Seems as though this idea has been in circulation for quite some time! Funniest line:

    We were allowed ten pounds total-payload weight, including antenna and batteries and enclosure. We wanted to transmit on 20 MHz, the same frequency as the Sputniks, so we needed a long antenna, on the order of 3.75 meters, to get the best possible efficiency. It had to be confined to the Lockheed-supplied box during launch, and to erect itself upon signal after orbital injection. The Air Force suggested a design for a pin-puller, an explosively activated latch which could release a spool, upon which the antenna could be rolled during the launch phase. The antenna itself was a steel tape, with a lengthwise crimp to give it some stiffness. We just walked down to the neighborhood hardware store and bought a carpenter's tape measure. (When an Air Force engineer asked why our antenna had inch marks, I told him it was to measure the mean-free path in the ionosphere.)
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  5. Re:Q: How can we listen to ISS/Shuttle comms? by Juggle · · Score: 5, Informative

    Teaching someone how to track and listen to an orbiting spacecraft in a short post is pretty tricky - so yeah I figured some would stumble on a few of the more specialized terms. But I'm willing to keep helping since just a few months ago all of it was gibberish to me as well even though some of the questions lead me to believe I'm just responding to a troll.

    Just for reference when I say spacecraft I'm including unmaned satelites juts to prevent confusion before it starts....

    -very small footprint

    The footprint is the area of the earth visible to the orbiting spacecraft. The higher the spacecraft the more of the surface of the earth that will be line of sight to it at any given time. That dosn't necessarially mean the spacecraft can only see the area in it's footprint, but it does mean only those in the footprint can see (and talk to or recieve transmissions from) the spacecraft. The ISS is the lowest orbit of any spacecraft carrying amateur radio so it's got the smallest footprint. That means the window that you can hear it durring is shorter than any others - but it also means the signal is louder and easier to hear.

    -HT and stock rubber duck antenna

    HT = HandiTalkie. A small low power handheld radio. "Rubber Duck" is a cheap flexible antenna with little or no gain, basically the bare minimum to recieve a radio signal.

    -in packet mode
    -1200 baud packet
    -$45 TNC-X

    Packet is a form of digital communication. 1200 baud is the speed it runs at. A TNC is to radio basically what a modem is to a phone line, it converts audio to digital information and vice versa. The TNC-X is a pic (small microcontroller populary with hobbyists) based TNC that you can assemble yourself for very low cost. It has USB capabilities but relies on the computer it's attached to do to much of the "thinking" for it.

    -APRS for position reporting

    APRS is a a position reporting system. Kind of like the Garmin Rhino only a LOT more powerfull. It uses 1200 baud packet to encode information and transmit over the air where it is picked up by other amateurs.

    -BBS for sharing messages

    Seriously, what the heck are you doing reading slashdot (a BBS!) if you don't know what a BBS is. This is the point where the troll starts to show...

    -homebuilt "J-pole"

    As explained in my first post, it's an antenna you can build yourself. Once again the trollishness is getting pretty bad.

    -directional Yagi

    A Yagi is a certian type of antenna, google is your friend. They're very directional meaning that they transmit a very directed signal and likewise recieve from a limited area. Omni antennas you don't aim, directional you do.

    -RF exposure

    RF = Radio Frequency. Come on, RF exposure has been discussed on /. quite a bit lately with the whole cell phones will fry your eyes and all the Wifi/WiMax/Bluetooth wireless stuff.

    -make sure that your keplerian elements are up to date

    Keplerian elements are descriptions of a spacecrafts orbit. They're used to calculate the position of the spacecraft. Most tracking software have built in utilities to download them on a regular basis to make sure you know where a spacecraft will be.

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  6. ATV by leighklotz · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been watching the shuttle mission on the K6BEN amateur TV repeater near San Jose, which is on 421.25Mhz, the same as cable (not broadcast) channel 57, through my VCR and with a Yagi I made from a magazine article. The NASA Ames Amateur Radio Club is providing the feed with a 1.2GHz uplink to the repeater. They also have shuttle audio on two meters, and I can receive that with my VX-2R HT.

  7. Re:Yeah... by fbjon · · Score: 2, Informative

    It has the useful purpose of being a place to go and stay. Getting up to LEO requires a lot of thrust and equipment, but take note of this highly recommended article: A rocket a day keeps the high costs away. If you can haul up large amounts of stuff, for a cheap price to LEO and the ISS, then everything else has already been solved, practically. I see the ISS as a solution to a problem that will come eventually.

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  8. Here's an actual link (with images) by eples · · Score: 2, Informative

    PCSat2 .Info page (with images)

    You can kind of see it mounted on the ISS.

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  9. Re:marginal elevation? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2, Informative


    More likely elevation as in "horizon at the bottom, zenith at the top." The higher the sat is above the horizon, the longer the pass, the shorter the radio path and the less atmospheric attenuation (for high UHF and above).

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