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iTMS Launches in Japan

ickoonite writes "The iTunes Music Store has finally come to the Land of the Rising Sun! After months of tricky negotiations, Apple has reached agreements with 15 record companies for the supply of around 1 million tracks, with per-track prices between ¥150 and ¥200. AppleInsider also has some blurb, and Apple has an (English) press release on the launch is here. The question now is: 'Where next?'"

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  1. Song prices by bburton · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Songs are priced between 150yen and 200yen (0.76-1.01pounds; $1.34-$1.79), somewhat more expensive than those sold at the American iTMS and possibly also those of the UK. Apple, the article notes, had wanted to have one price for all tracks, but faced opposition from record companies and performers' organisations. That said, it appears that 90% of the tracks are to be priced at 150yen.
    That sucks for them. $0.99 is bad enough for one song. I personally think the subscription model is superior. I use Yahoo Music Unlimited (beta); it's $5.00/month (or $0.79/song), which I believe is the cheapest service out there right now.

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    1. Re:Song prices by guaigean · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I use Yahoo Music Unlimited (beta); it's $5.00/month (or $0.79/song), which I believe is the cheapest service out there right now.

      Well, allofmp3 is pretty cheap at ~ $0.02/MB, even if it does take advantage of current international law.

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    2. Re:Song prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Considering a music CD is about $30 in Japan, I'd say it's a pretty good deal. Probably cheaper compared to CDs than the US store is.

    3. Re:Song prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I like to own my music, sorry. Thanks for the advertisement, though. Sorry to hear you'll be paying a subscription fee for the rest of your life and will lose all your music the day you cancel.

    4. Re:Song prices by akac · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The difference is that radio leads to people buying music. P2p piracy does not. Once you have the song at its best bit-rate - what's the point in buying it? Radio is far from the best audio experience and you have no control over when it comes on.

      They are NOT comparable at all!

    5. Re:Song prices by NaruVonWilkins · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Could that be due to density? It's not exactly difficult to find used CD shops in the middle of Seattle or New York - and much of Japan is up at that density level. Most of the US is very sparse in comparison.

    6. Re:Song prices by Squozen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Several studies disagree with you, as do my personal experiences. I download music to check it out, then buy the CD. Most genuine music fans do the same.

    7. Re:Song prices by ultramk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, my opinion is that 90% of everything is crap.

      However, that remaining 10% is huge. I have eclectic taste (as does my wife), so our combined collection of music when we got married a few years ago was over 1k cds.

      Music is all about memory to me, and I don't want to be forced to pay a fee every month or lose my memories.

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    8. Re:Song prices by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I live in Japan, have the same "average" salary, but haven't made the mistake of living in the heart of Tokyo, which everyone seems to confuse with the rest of Japan (comparable to say that New York represents average life in America.) Living in Osaka, for example, is comparable, or cheaper, than living in Los Angeles. I can easily save US $500 a month without trying, and $1000 if I really feel like it - all without sacrificing a very comfortable lifestyle.

      That being said, I wasn't surprised to see the iTMS Japan prices being so high - I figured that's what was holding things up. The Japanese *hate* dropping prices on anything, and Apple even attempting to propose ¥100 per song would have had the Japanese gently, but firmly, pushing them out the door. The media industry over here has a stranglehold on prices, and we regularly pay at least twice as much as the rest of the world (that's okay, because my German friends legitimately pay half as much as I did in the US.) As for the, "some songs will be ¥150," I'm still looking. Most of them are in the ¥300 to ¥400 range, which means that basically Apple caved completely to the dictates of the Japanese companies.

      I'm surprised to hear that anime songs are scarce - Avex, one of the biggest labels that signed, releases a lot of anime music over here. I'm sure it'll start popping up, as a large number of Japanese consumers will want it just as much as the American otakus do.

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    9. Re:Song prices by badasscat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      $0.79/song x 3000 songs = $2370.00
      $60/year x 40 years = $2400.00


      And are you seriously delirious enough to think that Yahoo or anyone else is still going to be charging $15 a month in 40 years?

      Do you still pay a nickel to get into a movie theater? Be a little realistic here. In 40 years you'll be paying $300 a month or more for your music rental. (And if that sounds like a lot to you, ask your grandparents how they feel about some of today's prices.)

      This is the renter's fallacy, and it's true of everything. For most people, renting anything just doesn't make financial sense.

      Of course, the price to buy new music will likely rise over time too, but the point is if you like the Rolling Stones, and assuming the Rolling Stones' best years are behind them, you're going to pay a lot less to just buy their entire back catalog now than you will to continue renting it through the years, because of the effects of inflation.

  2. Music Store Opens in another Country... by decipher_saint · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why can't this be universal? Why must "entertainment media" be regionalized? I mean I can sort of understand the supply and demand of physical media like DVDs but downloadable media files?

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    1. Re:Music Store Opens in another Country... by v1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's called "price fixing", and when done within a single country is usually illegal. When done between different countries, no single country's law can apply, and even though it's illegal in BOTH countries, it's legal if done separately in each country.

      The basic idea is, as usual, to maximize proffit. If a band is really popular in the USA but not popular in say, Europe, the most profitable price point of the album in USA might be $19 where it might be maximized at say, $12 in Europe due to low demand. They are trying to prevent an entrepenur from buying a few thousand CDs in Europe and shipping them to the US and selling for say, $16 each. This undercuts their market in the US by $2/unit, costing them sales. Instead they only see the $12 where they could be seeing the $19.

      They want the $19 and do everything they can to see that they get it.

      If price fixing wasn't illegal in your country, things would be a lot worse... like in the USA a Garth Brooks album might go for twice as much in Tennessee as it did in say, Alaska. We'd probably see more aggressive region coding on DVDs as well. Instead of 7 world region codes, they'd probably try to like split up countries into regions too. Imagine having to buy a DVD that was not only USA region, but was say, in Central timezone code too? Think of the mess that would make for the consumer. And the recording companies would LOVE it.

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  3. $600 to listen to a song over a 10 year period... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The awesome thing about the $5.00/month subscription service is that you are paying that $60 per year rental fee for as long as you want to enjoy your music. If I buy a song from iTunes, I can listen to it for 10 years for $.99. If I want to continue to listen to a song I'm renting from Yahoo, it would cost $600 to rent it for 10 years.

  4. Dude. The question isn't "where next?" by cherrycoke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...the question is, when will the studios open up their gi-normous back catalogs for digital download? Decades of out-of-press, cool-ass music which could be a source of free revenue for the labels are languishing in magnetic-tape form in what I hope are climate-controlled vault conditions.

    I think keeping old music on ice is the same as saying you don't want money.

    And I hereby acknowledge that this post is only pretending to be shocked at the long-term, and evidently continuing idiocy of music labels.

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  5. Re:sweet by CoolMoDee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wish it was so - I tried to purchase some M-flo last night but couldn't because I am not in Japan. I wish we could buy music from other stores (if the artist wasn't in our own store - that way you can't play the currency conversion game).

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  6. Lame pandering to marketing strategies by koreth · · Score: 4, Insightful
    iTMS in Japan is great! If you're in Japan. Which I'm not, so thanks to the record companies' annoying and self-defeating marketing strategies (I know! Let's make it impossible to buy artist X's work in country Y! We'll make tons more money that way!) this does me about as much good as the US iTMS did for people in Japan.

    I've started listening to a bunch of Mandarin-language music lately, and for track-at-a-time sampling, I pretty much have no choice but to listen to unlicensed Internet radio stations (= piracy) or download from P2P networks (= piracy). I'd happily pay to sample a few more tracks by the artists I've heard on those radio stations, but there's no way for me to do it, and it's not worth paying through the nose to import a CD from overseas only to find that the track I heard was the only one on the disc worth listening to.

    Oh well, yet another case of "I want to give them my money, but they won't let me." (See: DVD region coding, etc.) Guess I need a fancy MBA degree to see how that makes good business sense.

  7. J-List's Take by alexburke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Peter Payne, the American-born founder of J-List, a source for all things Japanese, had this to say in today's instalment of his regular newsletter:

    "After a long wait, Apple's iTunes Japan music store has finally opened, allowing customers here to download Japanese and international music for around $1.75 per song. Despite the large number of digital-savvy users in Japan, it's not at all surprising to me that it took so long for Apple to get the iTunes store up and running. Japan can be a very conservative place, and to big companies with established businesses, nothing is more terrifying than change, any change at all. Apple has had to navigate between greedy record companies who have kept the prices of CDs at the artificially high price of $30 for decades, and industry groups like the Japanese Society for Rights of Authors, Composers and Publishers (JASRAC) and the Recording Industry of Japan (RIAJ), who have closed ranks against any kind of digital distribution of music that doesn't guarantee more profits for them than conventional CDs. A big problem was JASRAC's insistence that Apple follow "Japan's rules" when it came to selling music online, which apparently meant that the industry group was to receive 7.7% of every song sold in addition to what the actual copyright holders receive. It's all very silly when you think about the fact that in Japan, you can go into any one of thousands of CD rental shops and rent a whole album for $3 or less. Sadly, Japan's copyright-happy record industry lacked the vision to allow Apple to sell Japanese music to customers outside of Japan, so worldwide fans of JPOP are shut out from participating in the Japan iTMS. Apple isn't the first company that's had to endure pressure from the establishment in Japan: Amazon was blocked from selling products below list price on their site here, since price fixing is still allowed for some products, like books and CDs. If there's one good thing that's come from the past decade of recession in Japan, it's that many of Japan's closed economic doors have been forced open, letting the light of competition and common sense flood in. If you want to see a hilarious commercial that marries the iPod with Sazae-san, one the most popular anime in Japan's history, here's the link: http://www.jbox.com/sazae (Quicktime required)"

  8. Re:Windows only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That's interesting, but has nothing to do with the point that iTunes + iPod is the only cross-platform solution. If you buy music online from iTunes, you can listen to it on a Mac or a Windows computer, or both, or an iPod. If you buy music online from anywhere else, you are forever stuck with Windows and forever denied the ultimate music player - the iPod. Bummer.