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PlayStation 3 Could Support Mac OS X

ucahg writes "Sony's website has a press release stating that they will release the PS3 in 2006. The most interesting part about the page, though, is the last sentence which reads: 'The integrated Cell processor will be able to support a variety of operating systems (such as Linux or Apple's Tiger).' Is this what Steve Jobs was talking about when he said Apple and Sony looked forward to cooperating more in the future?"

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  1. The funny thing about this by SetupWeasel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If this is true, I don't know what the hell Apple is thinking. The word on the street was always that Apples were built to last. You had to accept the higher price and less popular OS to get it, but you did get the increased quality as a trade off.

    Sony, in my estimation, is the the new Packard Bell or Gateway. Where quality is job 3, maybe 5. Well, I'm sure they will get around to it sometime.

    Seriously, Sony is a company that is renowned for its lax quality control. Why the hell Apple would want to associate themselves with Sony is beyond me.

    1. Re:The funny thing about this by AnObfuscator · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't worry, Apple will never license it's OS. It tried that, it sucked for Apple... they learned their lesson.

      Apple licensing it's OS is about as likely as Apple switching to x86, or releasing a multi-button mouse.

      Oh, wait...

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  2. there is a sony-apple partnership by matt4077 · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is a partnership between sony and apple regarding HD Video. Maybe that has something to do with it...

    1. Re:there is a sony-apple partnership by RatPh!nk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Along these same lines, wasn't there a story/rumor a few months ago about possibly having a copy of the iTunes Music/Movie Store on the PS3?

      http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2005/5/1 4/305
      http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000020043386/

      That looks like it goes back to May 2005. Stranger thing have happened.

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  3. Web copy is never that useful. by 75th+Trombone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It sounds more like some idiot typing copy for the website didn't realize that OS X is/will always be tied to Apple hardware.

    If that IS a little revelation, it's awfully quiet and fanfare-free.

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  4. less and less anti-mac fuel by splatterboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    what are the main reasons people list as reasons they can't/will not buy a mac?

    1: No games. not if sony releases PS games for mac
    2: No multi-button mouse. weak reason but now with "mighty mouse a non-issue. Not that you couldn't go third party anyway
    3: Macs are too expensive. With the mac mini and potential price drops with soon to be intel CPUs - a shrill cry
    Looks like all the reasons to not go with mac are evaporating. I won't even mention the traditional windows problems...

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  5. What a curious thing to say... by nobodyman · · Score: 3, Informative


    I would have dismissed this as complete bullshit had it not been on Sony's own PR. What an odd thing to mention. I mean, It's not unknown for PR's to "name drop" in order to more likely appear in search engine listings, Sony doesn't have to resort to that sort of thing because their PR's are widely disssiminated by the media anyway (especially PS3 related stuff).

        While Kunitake Ando and Steve Jobs were making complimentary (if somewhat guarded) comments about the two companies early in 2005 (was it at Macworld or something?), steve has been less upbeat about Cell.

        If you take the statement at its fact, its really just saying that the cell is general purpose enough to handle any OS. In fact, there's nothing incorrect or even exaggerated about the statement: The cell could certainly support OSX in the same way that PearPC enables a x86 to support OSX (i.e. emulation) but it would be slow as hell. Whether Sony means anything other than that is another question.

    Curious, but I'm leaning towards dismissing this as PR hubris. But give it a couple weeks - if the media get's into a froth about it I'm sure Apple will speak up or Sony will clarify one way or the other.

    1. Re:What a curious thing to say... by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I think Sony is trying to form some sort of unholy union with Apple. I think this would make a lot more sense if Apple weren't jumping ship and switching to x86 processors in the coming years.

      Considering that each cell has a PPC core, it's plausible to a certain extent that OS X could be made to run on a PS3 with some changes to take advantage of the cell's abilities and the lack of AltiVec (I'm not even sure how much OS X uses this to begin with), smaller cache, and other changes made to the PPC chip on the cell.

      Sony stands to benefit from this deal because they get a solid OS available to them to run on their PS3. This allows them to say that the PS3 can be used as a computer as well (just make sure to buy our $100 hard drive and the $100 software). They get to sell some accessories, which they seem to love doing considering the amount of stuff (memory cards, multitaps, network adapters, hard drives) that you could use to upgrade your PS2. It's likely they'd also get a small amount of money for each copy software sale Apple makes.

      Apple tends to benefit if they handle things a little more carefully. If they start giving PS3 owners the full version of OS X then the whole clone problem that Apple had in the past rears its ugly head once again. On the other hand, offering a stripped down version of the OS for the PS3 that doesn't have all the bells and whistles attached could easily pursuade more consumers to purchase Apple computers. It would be very similar in result to Windows users purchaing an iPod and deciding to try an Apple computer. Considering that the PS2 has sold over 80 million units world wide, it might be tempting for Apple to give more people a small taste of what they have to offer considering the potential amount of users the PS3 can reach.

      What I really think this is all about though is that Sony wants to get in a little closer with Apple. Sony has wanted to get into the online music business for quite some time now but has found itself falling flat on its face. Apple's iPod and iTunes have been dozens of times more successful than whatever Sony has had to offer. If OS X or some varient of it is ported onto Sony's console you can bet it will have iTunes on it that will be featuring Sony's songs (and maybe eventually movies) available for download. Not only does it give Sony a way to start selling its music through a venue that many people already know, trust, and use, but it will give Sony a digital media box that can do everything a console, computer, and home entertainment center can do. This would be widely popular in Japan where living conditions are more cramped and people would welcome having one box that can do everything.

      Having accomplished what Microsoft has been wanting to do so badly, get into the living room as the media centerpiece, Sony would be able to one up them in a sense. Microsoft has been designing the Xbox 360 to do exactly this. If you don't believe me, consider all the features it has built in that allow it to link to a Windows PC. Apple and Sony could team up and accomplish the same thing in an effort to drive Microsoft out of the console business. Considering the amount of money Microsoft has lost with the Xbox, and it likely to lose early on with the Xbox 360, they can't afford to trail so far behind this generation. If Sony can out-do Microsoft in almost every aspect, they could easily accomplish the feat. I'm quite sure that Apple wouldn't have much of a grudge in hurting Microsoft either.

      Eventually this will hurt Microsoft more than most people would think at first. Considering that Sony is likely to use OpenGL (can't recall where I read this) which Microsoft dislikes because it's an open source standard competing with their proprietary one and that more and more games are being made on consoles rather than on the PC, ports of widely successful games would be made with OpenGL as well.

      Now that I've gotten everyone who hates Microsoft with a passion hopes up, I will kindly point out that none of this is likely to happen. Considering the egos of the two men whose cooperation would be necessary to pull this off, it seems unlikely it will ever come to pass. Conspiracy theory that sounds good on paper, yes. Accurate prediction of future events, no.

  6. Re:nice thing by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I don't even think Microsoft would try to get Vista running on the Xbox 360. The Xbox 360 has the recommended amount of RAM so it wouldn't do to badly in that department, but of course there would be no way for them to upgrade the RAM. The larger, problem, however is that the Xbox 360 uses a triple core PPC processor whereas Windows Vista is designed to run on an x86 processor. In order to get Vista to run on an Xbos 360 they would need to port the code to run on a PPC processor. In addition they would need to rewrite a lot of it to make it multi-threaded because that's what the Xbox 360's processor handles best. It's not really designed to run something intensively on one thread as that limits its performance to 1/6 (each core is capable of two threads each last I heard) of performance. That would create a rather large bottleneck and probably result in a poor user experience.

    Assuming they did in fact manage to get a version of their OS to run on the Xbox 360, they'd run into the problem that eventually someone will get Linux running on the console. Considering Microsoft can't afford to sink too much money into the console in building a solid OS that runs fast, whatever they manage to port will likely be just as flawed as their regular operating systems are. Given a choice between Linux or Windows, I think that a lot of people would tend to choose Linux. Not all of them, but more than in the computer market considering there are more tech savvy people purchasing consoles.

    In short, Microsoft even trying to get Windows onto their new console is most likely going to be the biggest flop they've had in a long while.

  7. Already been considered pretty unlikely by catmistake · · Score: 4, Informative
  8. Re:If it supported Windows and DirectX by zztzed · · Score: 3, Informative

    Only some Dreamcast games used WinCE, and those that did included it on the disc; it wasn't preinstalled on the console.

  9. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard... by ArbitraryConstant · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Cell front end processor is PowerPC. With the right drivers it probably could run OS X. That said, it won't because Apple doesn't want to support OS X on someone else's hardware and Sony doesn't need a general purpose OS.

    The OS X userspace is nice but a bit redundant for a machine that only needs a few utilities and games. The OS X OpenGL implementation isn't the fastest, and the spiffy display technologies (and they are spiffy) aren't necessary. Sony just needs a subset of OpenGL but it needs to be fast.

    The Darwin kernel isn't the fastest either, and Sony can do a lot better whether or not they're willing to pay for it (Linux or NetBSD on the free side, any number of real-time kernels on the other side).

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  10. This Is Utterly Absurd by LKM · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is so stupid, it's hard to imagine how it got into that press release. It's so stupid, it's even hard to imagine how it was considered Slashdot-worthy.

    Yes, it's a PPC chip, so Apple could release Tiger for it. No, they're not going to do it.

    Let's consider the facts:

    • Apple makes money selling hardware. They don't want 300-buck-Macs from Sony taking away their hardware sales.
    • Apple is moving away from the PPC, not towards it.
    • Apple would never let Sony release news like this in a meager press release.

    Sony simply wrote about what their processor could do, not about what they're going to do. Linux? Maybe, they did it before. Mac OS? Definitely not.

  11. Re:So would this be a.... by goodenoughnickname · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm guessing with all of its added features that have nothing to do with video games, it will just be a POS.