Slashdot Mirror


When Pigs Wifi

ratell writes "The New York Times has an editorial entitled When Pigs Wi-fi. It describes a 600 square mile free wi-fi network in Hermiston Oregon, and it argues that wi-fi should be a utility." From the article: "Mr. Puzey, who says wireless broadband is central to the port's operations, argues persuasively that broadband is just the next step in expanding the national infrastructure, comparable to the transcontinental railroad, the national highway system and rural electrification. Indeed, we need to envision broadband Internet access as just another utility, like electricity or water. Often the best way to provide that will be to blanket a region with Wi-Fi coverage to create wireless computer networks, rather than running D.S.L., cable or fiber-optic lines to every home."

11 of 173 comments (clear)

  1. WiMax by SpudB0y · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why should there be mass public investment in WiFi technology that will be replaced within a few years?

    1. Re:WiMax by civman2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unless I am mistaken, I believe that WiMax draws a lot more power than WiFi does. This makes it quite usable in the place of a cable modem, but quite hard to use on a PDA or Laptop, because of battery life concerns.

      I think WiMax is more of a distribution method for sparse areas than a way for you to connect your laptop directly to the Internet. So you'll have WiMax -> WiFi -> Laptop.

    2. Re:WiMax by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First, because of the joys of backwards compatability, the equipment installed early will probably be useful for fifteen years, not just three.

      Second, because now is the time to start developing the apps that "total connectivity" will enable. When WiMax is ready, the demand for anytime, anywhere Internet will already be primed.

      Most of the apps that spark my imagination involve some level of GPS awareness. Imagine you're wandering downtown, looking for a bite to eat. Now, if you were smart and bored and anal, you would have researched your restauranting decisions prior to leaving the house. But now you're out of the house and unconnected.

      Life would be different if you could easily query some sort of service and ask, "Where can I get a good turkey club for under $5.00?" The service might come back with several suggestions within a four block radius, along with links to menus, restaurant reviews, maps, etc.

      Or say you subscribe to a dating/social service which would inform you when you were within a block of someone else who subscribed to the service, and suggest the two of you meet. When you both agree, it tells you both where the other person is. For additional safety, you could choose to automatically tell someone where you've decided to go, who you're meeting, and how long you expect to be.

      Self-guided walking tours suddenly become very easy. Finding the nearest store that has the book you just remembered you wanted becomes very easy. Finding the cheapest gas within a mile becomes very easy. In order to get into this mindset, while you're out some evening, just start imagining what it would be very cool to know right this instant. "How long would it take me to ride the bus back to my apartment?" "Is that girl over there single?" "I wonder where that one band is playing tonight."

      This is just the logical next step in the way we get and use information. Being able to access customized information anytime, anywhere, will be a Very Big Thing. I don't know precisely how it will change the way we do everything, but I'm pretty convinced that the examples I gave are just the simplest, most obvious applications. The less obvious ones will require experimentation, and that experimentation should be moving forward as quickly as possible, using whatever connectivity technology we can get our hands on.

      --

      You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!

  2. Surprise! oh, no wait... by NoTheory · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd have to say that the comment that NYC should be ashamed that it hasn't beaten Morrow and Umatilla counties in oregon to the WiFi punch is ridiculous. NYC has a much higher population density and thus more users and problems like inconvenient buildings. As a result a wifi deployment would presumably be more expensive and more inconvenient.

    Besides this sort of dichotomy has shown up all over the world. Areas that have just recently opened up to modern technology, Afghanistan, rural China, have totally skipped the wired world, because of the sorts of infrastructure you have to have in place in order to make them work. Going wireless makes sense for rural areas, and it shouldn't be a surprise that they are different from the old players in technological infrastructure.

    --
    There are lives at stake here!
  3. Packet sniffers by convex_mirror · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm all for this happening - and it has to happen if the U.S. wants to stay competitive with the rest of the world. However, I foresee a large upswing in the popularity of packet sniffers and more opportunities for fraud. Cities that want to set these networks up are going to have to do some serious thinking about security.

  4. Re:liberals by FriedTurkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    liberals who want the government to force us don't share our internet conection because mmm...god...yeah... says that it should be a utility

    After reading your post, maybe we should put more money into the education system instead of wi-fi.

    Seems like this child was left behind.

  5. cute theory, but no by MattW · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem with trying to turn technologies like these into utilities is that:

    (1) They are still young an evolving. Wi-fi is getting faster, working from greater distances, and getting better security with successive iterations. Commercial broadband providers are testing second-gen broadband technologies which are far faster than the first.

    (2) A public utility is stagnant. To provide something like water or electricity ubiquitously they are often monopolies, heavily regulated, and on extremely small profit margins. Bureaucracy adds to this stagnation.

    Combine these, and you see that turning something into a utility is the death of innovation.

  6. Re:I still think... by Council · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I still think making computers a utility and not a luxury should come first. What good is broadband if you can't access a computer?

    Awful idea. The cars/roads analogy is entirely appropriate here.

    --
    xkcd.com - a webcomic of mathematics, love, and language.
  7. Okay... by Svartalf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can one get a FiOS line out in the middle of rural America? NO?

    Then that's not an answer, now is it. Please adopt a little less parochial view on things you might even understand what they're on about. You see, FiOS isn't offered everywhere (Hell, it's only in a dozen or so of Verizon's markets...) but you could have ubiquitous access with WiFi/WiMax if they'd just roll it out; and you could STILL have your FiOS.

    Just because you don't have the same priorities shouldn't mean I should accept yours as more valid than other peoples...

    --
    I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
  8. Re:Desire for monopoly = unions, taxes, censorship by value_added · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Any regulation on networks is bad. "Freeing information" only means "information provided by the free market." More information providers competing for your DOLLARS means better products/services/speeds.

    Exactly. They should the same with roads. What we need is to privatise all roads and highways so that transportation providers will have a level playing field without goverment competition and can compete based on the quality their products and services. Who needs speed limits, police patrols, motor vehicle laws or driver registration when a toll booth at every intersection will free everyone and solve their problems. I live in a nice area and I'm getting sick and tired of poor people clogging up the roads.

    And those commie pinko countries like Canada or those in Europe that regularly give shit away like health care? They have it all wrong. What they need to do is to adopt our health care model where healthy competition can spur the development of superior products and services and at lower prices. The drug companies can't be wrong.

    Keep the public interest/need out of it.

    Indeed. The right of profit triumphs all else. I mean, that's what life's all about, right? Even simple-minded idiots like John Stossel know it says so right in the Constitution.

  9. Tax dollars build it, government privatizes it... by cprice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Like all other good bits of infrastructure, government money must be used to build it, otherwise it will never get done. Once built, the government will privatize it, and the new private corporations will charge the people who paid for it in the first place (the taxpayers) through the nose to use it.