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$20 Cellphones Possible with TI's New Chip

swimgeek writes "Texas Instrument's Indian branch has succeeded in developing a single chip which combines the functions usually performed by multiple chips in a GSM cellphone. By doing so, cellphone costs can be dramatically reduced, thus making cellphones more affordable in developing economies. Nokia has been contracted to make the initial sets, with market launch in as soon as 9 months. More coverage here and here."

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  1. How will they keep C and A separate? by ReformedExCon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In dual-chip architectures, there are two chips: the (C)ommunications CPU and the (A)pplications CPU. C-CPU and A-CPU respectively. They typically communicate over a bus to pass data back and forth between the two chips, so there is a standard interface between the two.

    It is pretty straightforward to program for this type of setup because you don't have to worry about what the other chip is doing. It's over there doing its thing while my program is over here doing its thing. The two don't talk so often. Typically, you'll even have two separate operating systems running on the separate chips, that's how far apart they are.

    But what will it be like with only one chip, and presumably one memory block? Will the single OS running the chip have to handle all events and interrupts? How much more difficult will it be to write a multitasking phone operating system when such disparate things as mail applications and radio transmissions are handled on the same chip?

    I'd love for cell phone prices to come down a little bit. Hopefully this brings the prices down, but if software gets more expensive, it may be a wash.

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    1. Re:How will they keep C and A separate? by putko · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The new thing is to have a single DSP/processor that can run the OS and the signal processing apps. This allows getting rid of one chip, which is what they are so excited about.

      If you imagine that you took what was formerly on two chips and just put them on one, it should make sense that this is quite possible.

      You see the same thing with the x86/x87 combination in the Pentiums. Or microcontrollers that now have all the crap you need (except for reset circuit and serial drivers) on one chip.

      In the case of the DSP, programming it might be tricky, but so what: some geek does it once, and then you run that software on a million items: however painful it is, it gets amortized.

      If you are the processor company, you do it for your customers, so that they can get the silicon out there ASAP, and you get back all your NRE.

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    2. Re:How will they keep C and A separate? by ReformedExCon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've seen the presentations and am still apprehensive about the effort needed to adapt this.

      If it is just a matter of writing another application which can be activated when an interrupt occurs, then it sounds pretty straightforward. As you say, hand it off to the DSP subsystem which TI will provide and let the application run until the user presses X. But during that time, what happens to HW interrupts? Can the CPU handle interrupts (which are likely running at maximum priority) without significantly harming the telephony application?

      Or is it going to be like it is now, with a separate small OS handling the processing necessary on the DSP handling all events quickly and efficiently there while the A-CPU side can handle its work without severely impacting the DSP? In this case, I imagine that we are looking at some pretty serious OS modification to get both CPU and DSP up and running.

      I'm definitely not an expert in this area. But I like the way the technology is going. I just wish I understood it better.

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  2. Why is this interesting? by HungWeiLo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A typical cell phone costs, what, $70-$100 and can do just about anything and has more processing power than most computers 10 years ago. If you strip out all the useless stuff out of a cell phone (you know, to make it, gasp, act just like a phone) I don't see how it can be that much of a challenge to bring it down to the $20 range.

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  3. Interesting Story by vectorian798 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I went to India a few years ago to visit relatives, I was surprised to see that they were all toting cell phones (and better ones than my lame Noka 2260 at the time!) and when I asked about their plans I was surprised to know that they had plans with UNLIMITED minutes for very low prices.

    I am glad to see that we have innovation that will help connect the rest of the world, but I have to wonder, why the hell can't phones be made here at ultra-low costs? And what of the plans??!?! Everytime I want a deal on a cell phone I have to sign a contract (and these days you get the special deal only on 2 year contracts - read more at end of this post) and am locked into a shitty phone and a shitty plan. BTW if you have seen the list prices of phones (w/out service plan deal, you will notice how ridiculously pricey they are).

    Note about 2-year contracts:
    The exception I've seen (at amazon.com's cell phone site at least) regarding cell phone contracts is T-Mobile, which requires only a 1 year contract for all their deals. After hearing many horror stories about them I took a chance with them last year and was surprised to have absolutely no problems with reception or dropped calls or whatever here in CA (it seems like those problems were unique to an earlier range of phone models only). I once made a call to change the plan to a family plan and was also impressed by their AWESOME tech support, which doesn't go to some cheap call-center overseas like ATT.

  4. Re:who gives a shit by skiflyer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's also great for those of us who dig super fancy cell phones... I just bought a treo, and I'm loving it... but when I go to the beach or other electronic unfriendly places, I pop out the SIM card and put it in my old motorolla... I'm fortunate to have the old motorolla, but if I didn't, I would love to pick up some sub $20 phone to put the SIM card in.

  5. So... by greenhybrid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So they can make tiny cellphones that connect opposite ends of the earth for $20, yet a VHS-sized scientific calculator with a funky green screen costs $100? Hm...

  6. Re:Cheap Phones expensive calls by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but yesterday I happened to drive by one of the biggest section of housing projects in the city where I live (and no, I wasn't out cruising for dope or hookers), and couldn't believe the number of mini-dish satellite TV antennas stuck on the porches and verandas. It was ridiculous: at least 50% of the apartments had them.

    And where a few years ago you'd see lots of people just standing out in front of the buildings or sitting on the steps, now they're almost all using cellphones.

    Anyway, just food for thought. My on-topic point is this: cellphones as a technology have already trickled down to all echelons of society here in the U.S., at their current price point. If they price of individual units was to drop to $20 tomorrow, I doubt we'd see any immediate change as consumers, because there's no reason to decrease the price. They've already saturated the market! Especially considering that the market is dominated by a few major players (who I bet have no problem colluding with each other if it kept prices high), I can see the price differential resulting from development in the field going straight into the cell companies' profit margins.

    I'm absolutely no fan of government regulation, but my recent experience in buying a cellphone and service agreement have convinced me that something is very wrong with the state of that particular market right now.

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  7. Re:who gives a shit by ceeam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why unplug? Just turn off the ringer. There should be a little switch on the side/botttom of every phone manufactured lately (last 30 years or so).

  8. Re:who gives a shit by Spruitje · · Score: 4, Interesting


    ":) this will be good for some of us who just use cell phones as phones nothing else."

    Why not use a land line, then? :) :) :)


    Because in most parts of the world there aren't any landlines (at least, not enough).
    One reason why GSM is adopted at such a rate is that in some countries there wasn't a working telephone system before.
    And a GSM net is cheaper than putting a wired telephone system in place.

  9. Re:What about by torako · · Score: 2, Interesting
    That's just not true. GSM is not being replaced by CDMA-the-phone-standard, which is pretty bad. The thing is, there is a transmission standard which is *also* called CDMA, but is something quite different.

    It's true that CDMA-phone-standard also uses CDMA-technology, but UMTS is based on GSM while also using CDMA-technology.

    Kind of confusing... I just found this in an old ./ comment, though:

    CDMA is both a mobile phone standard (IS-95) and a technology (Code Division Multiple Access) and if you're comparing "GSM" to "TDMA" to "CDMA" then you're refering to phone standards. CDMA the phone standard is junk, in all honesty, and is being phased out. The direct replacement for it is CDMA2000, which existing US IS-95 operators like Sprint PCS and Verizon are moving to.

    CDMA the technology is rather better and is being used in a number of newer systems. GSM "version 2" is called UMTS, and has a configurable air interface which can be GSM's Time Division Multiple Access, EDGE (a more modern and efficient Time Division MA system), or a variant of Code Division Multiple Access (ie the CDMA the technology, not CDMA the mobile phone standard) called WCDMA, depending on the operator's preferences.

    Only CDMA2000 is based upon CDMA the standard. UMTS is based upon GSM. TD-CDMA is a completely new system and isn't based upon anything. It does use "CDMA the technology", but it certainly isn't related in any way, shape, or form to IS-95

  10. Re:I'm sure the networks will swallow it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I disagree. If the cost of a phone drops to $20 all of a sudden people would be able to buy their phone independent of their carrier and then they could shop around for the best monthly contract.

    I bought an unlocked Nokia in Dubai a couple of years ago and as a result, I have not been obligated to sign up for one of those oppressive "you'll-do-as-we-say" 3-year contracts.

    Ever notice how Nokia has like 5 models available in North America compared to the dozens they have available around the world? That's because their distribution is locked into exclusivity contracts with carriers. However, if the phones were cheaper to manufacture, they could bypass the carriers and sell directly to the public.

  11. Re:What about by Anonymovs+Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You should vote with your feet and move to a GSM provider. Don't let them lock you in.

    But it's OK to be locked into GSM? ;)

    I think the GP meant locked into your handset. With a GSM phone it's easy to get a new handset: buy new phone, take out SIM card from old phone, insert it into new phone, that's it. Often even your addresses are stored in the SIM card, not in the handset.

    Do some CDMA providers also use GSM?

    Not that I know of. CDMA is a much more efficient use of their radio spectrum

    So why are newer operators in the US (T-Mobile, Cingular) using GSM, when the standard there is (was) CDMA? Why, in India, are the CDMA companies (Reliance, Tata) faring so poorly, with so many complaints of flaky service and hidden costs, compared to the GSM ones (Airtel, Hutch/Orange, RPG, BSNL, ...)? Could it be just that GSM is a more mature technology with less vendor lock-in?