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RFID Tags in Law Enforcement

RFID tags seem to be the flavor of the month for law enforcement officials in the tracking of individuals both foreign and domestic. pin_gween writes "In an effort to speed up entry to the US, The Dept. of Homeland Security has begun a trial using RFID tags in certain visitors' papers. The tag is embedded in paperwork and "chip readers note the entry or exit of visitors who pass by and transmit that information to a government-maintained database." In addition, Saeed al-Sahaf writes "Security officials gathered Monday at a Canadian border crossing to mark the first test of this radio RFID system" Relatedly LexNaturalis writes "Wired News has an article about England testing RFID chips in license plates that can transmit VINs and other data to appropriate receivers. According to the article, the United States will be 'closely watching the British trial as they contemplate initiating their own tests of the plates, which incorporate radio frequency identification, or RFID, tags to make vehicles electronically trackable.' Naturally privacy advocates are decrying the move by stating that unlike electronic toll passes, these new plates will not be anonymous." We mentioned the concept of tracking visitors via RFID in July.

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  1. Yes. Be RFID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
  2. Lower tech approach? by KarmaBlackballed · · Score: 3, Funny

    How about a tatoo on the forehead? Or will that diminish tourism?

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    1. Re:Lower tech approach? by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Insightful
      > How about a tatoo on the forehead? Or will that diminish tourism?

      Silly privacy-advocate! The forehead and right hand are expressly reserved for the Mark of the Beast.

      Tattoos, on the other hand, go on the chest or the inner forearm.

      /one ticket to hell, please.

  3. RFID in plates by romka1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    RFID in plates could help catch stolen vechiles... Right now if your car get stolen you can file a report and that will be the end of the story (that what happend with me at least)

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    1. Re:RFID in plates by Anakron · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And as a nice side-effect, they can track you wherever you go. But you have nothing to hide, right? RIGHT?
      *insert bad guys of the moment here

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    2. Re:RFID in plates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Instead of requiring RFID in plates, why don't we create a car tracker system that is totally opt-in. The people who want it, pay for it themselves. No government intervention necessary. We could even run a company based on this idea. I propse we name the company Lojack

    3. Re:RFID in plates by hypnagogue · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because car thieves are not bright enough to change license plates? Sorry, RFID tags in license plates can only serve to track law abiding citizens -- they are simply too easy for criminals to circumvent.

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    4. Re:RFID in plates by Kehvarl · · Score: 2, Funny

      It would seem God isn't responding. And none of the mods care.

    5. Re:RFID in plates by maxpublic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As with all of these moves, the point isn't to improve the security or safety of the average citizen, but to make it easier for the government to track every aspect of that citizens life. Criminals will find ways to circumvent the new devices, making them useless for any other purpose.

      The more you know about a person, the easier it is to control them. And I think it's painfully apparent at this point that our government has a vested, intense interest in making sure it can control each and every one of us in order to preserve the status quo (people in power stay in power, the rest of us remain proles forever).

      Tinfoil-hat stuff, I know, but with every one of these stories I wonder more and more often if the paranoids don't have it right.

      Max

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    6. Re:RFID in plates by SimilarityEngine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      RFID chips in license plates that can transmit VINs and other data to appropriate receivers

      That's what's worrying me. What other data? Will it or won't it be data that the police would normally be able to link to your number plate?

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  4. On Papers, not on people by Anakron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As long as this is done on the papers/documents the person is supposed to have, and not on their person, I suppose this is a step forward.
    In a way, it isn't very different from giving a person a card that they swipe at the terminal instead of paper that a person has to read/stamp. Now, if they start putting these on people, thats scary!

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  5. Unnecessary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    RFIDs can be swapped. If people aren't comparing them to the documents and verifying the identity by other means before entry into the central database, these RFIDs can be used to actually fool and interfere with person tracking. If they are being compared, those other means are the better, more efficient, and not unnecessarily redundant means to track people. So, in summary, this is unnecessary. RFID tags at the border solve no problems and actually create more. But it does fund a specific business, so Congress will gladly fund it for the campaign kickbacks.

  6. It's a big Give and Take by chia_monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People will be clamoring over the fact "the Man is invading my privacy!" and then beg for more security and question how "we let so many terrorists get by". For security, you need security provisions. If you don't want guns at a concert, you're going to have to be searched. It's just how it is.

    The fun arises when you think about the different levels of security, the personal information gathered, how the information is used, where it is kept, etc. I have no problem having my auto information on an RFID tag somewhere on the car. Hell, my credit cards have more personal information than these little tags. In the idea of more security, I'd be fine with having my passport contain an RFID tag. Driver's licenses already hold so much info, why not a passport that lets people into the country? I'm not sure I want ALL my info on these things though. And who I want to hold the info. Identity theft could get REAL hairy depending on what info is gathered. Track my car, I don't care. Let my license have my vital info (age, sex, height, weight...maybe even blood type and other medical things for an emergency situation) if you need but be damn sure that you keep that info safe and if not, YOU are responsible for fixing the mess, not ME.

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    1. Re:It's a big Give and Take by Agent+Green · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All you need is a linking factor among several government databases...and it might as well be a one-stop shop. That's where the problem lies.

      While a lot of information is public, the ease of gathering where you are/were is now to the point of painless. Tracking an individual used to involve a lot of work and traditional gumshoeing. Technologies like this make it easier only to track your law-abiding people.

      Those who are intent to dodge the system for nefarious purposes are going to slip through much more easily. Imagine how much easier it could be to frame someone for murder if they just "borrow" a plate from a similar vehicle that's running idle. You'll go broke paying for an attorney who can prove this magical system the state has just installed is utterly useless.

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  7. Track Everyone by guaigean · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why not just implant them in babies at birth, in case they're kidnapped. It'll never get abused.
    /sarcasm

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  8. Re:Vehicle Tracking? by w98 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah maybe, but do you know how much it's gonna cost to keep my entire car wrapped in tinfoil?! :o)

  9. Re:Vehicle Tracking? by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Tracking vehicles with RFID may not so bad - after all vehicles have licence plates...

    RFID tracking PEOPLE on the other hand is worrysome.
    In my opinion, it should take some real effort to track vehicles. The Government shouldn't just be able to keep tabs on people with the push of a button. They are entitled to privacy, and if there is some compelling reason to authorize surveillance then the organization being granted permission to do so should have to actually take on the burden to do so. People should not be expected to simply allow themselves to be tracked just because certain bureaucrats feel that it is in their exclusive interests to do so.

    Then again, I also believe that the government shouldn't be allowed to keep any information on an otherwise-law-abiding person whatsoever beyond that used in exchanges with that individual. This means that I personally would want them to have a file for my voter registration, my tax history, notation of the presence of a driver's license, notation of ownership of land if any, and notation of things like social security, medicare, or any other non-standard service that is used by the person. Beyond that, nothing else that I do is any of their business at all.
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  10. Hello Big Brother by pin_gween · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Watch out Speeders if the RF plates become a reality. Sensors along roads take your position, computers extrapolate speed and two days later you get your ticket in in the mail.

    And Big Brother Watching you? You wouldn't even need the software predictions mentioned a few weeks ago -- just follow the RF tag around town

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  11. Needs a better acronym for public relations... by Orrin+Bloquy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Universal
    Frequency
    Identification
    Access.

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  12. Why extra RFID? by Keruo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    > The tag is embedded in paperwork and "chip readers note the entry or exit of visitors who pass by and transmit that information to a government-maintained database.

    What's preventing people from storing their tickets and passports at locked storage boxes at airport?

    That way they have complete freedom to roam around the country without being followed, the database doesn't even show them ever leaving the airport if the reader is at the front exit.

    Or is there some limiting law that visitor must have his/her visa with him/her all times when moving outdoors that I missed?

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    1. Re:Why extra RFID? by EvilMagnus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or is there some limiting law that visitor must have his/her visa with him/her all times when moving outdoors that I missed?

      I'm pretty sure there is such a law - if you're a Nonimmigrant, you're supposed to carry positive ID at all times - and they pretty much say that's your passport. Of course, the vast majority of nonimmigrant visa holders don't do this, but some friends of mine were given a hard time by INS agents when they returned from a short pleasure flight in Cessna in MA - met at the ramp by Immigration, who demanded to see their passports! (despite the fact that they never left US airspace, or came close to doing so).

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  13. Re:Vehicle Tracking? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Informative

    What's more worrysome is, people seem to have forgotten that most of the 9/11 terrorists had valid passports. With this new measure in place, they'd have valid RFID-enabled passport and a chance to pass security faster, so they're a little less jet-lagged when they arrive at the hotel.

    I'm really beginning to wonder why nobody points out the fact that all these security measures just aren't any use to catch determined terrorists. My personal conviction is that companies who market those "anti-terrorism" devices are making a fat buck out of the whole deal, and they share the proceeds with the politicians who approve of these things. It disgusts me more and more each time I look at it...

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  14. RFID Security by ndansmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here is a piggy back question: If you were going to implement a large-scale RFID system (let's say license plates in California), how would you address the issues of fraud, hacking, etc.? It seems to me that RFID would be an attractive taget for hackers (both for proof-of-concept and malicious purposes). Do you encrypt the data being transmitted by the RFID? How do you protect the privacy of the RFIDed people? Knowing that someone could use this technology along with several receivers to triangulate any vehicle's position and therefore follow it without-a-trace, how would you protect this sort of criminal (or law enforcement) abuse?

  15. Barcodes? by gillbates · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What was wrong with barcodes? It seems to me that for the intended uses, barcodes would have worked just as well without the attendant privacy implications. Why on earth would the U.S. voluntarily give criminals and terrorists the tools to target people according to their nationality?

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  16. Re:Vehicle Tracking? by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The war on terrorism isn't about catching terrorists, or preventing attacks. The war on terrorism is simply about stripping people of their rights, and keeping them from noticing how corrupt their government gotten.

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  17. Re:I haven't heard about... by guaigean · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One that really interested me was where a handgun would only fire if the user was wearing a ring on their finger.

    I agree, there ARE good uses for RFID. I do not believe, however, that those uses involve placing personal information out and available for the first person that breaks the encryption.

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  18. My thoughts on RFID chips by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can put them in license plates. Afterall, the only difference will be being able to read the plate number from any angle within a distance.

    You can put them near the barcode of products bought in store, for the same reasons as above. Plus it can prevent shoplifting a lot easier. Scan it in, scan it out, no problem.

    But under no situation stick it in a human or into our ID cards. That crosses the line.

  19. Re:License plate bar codes by raider_red · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We don't have bar codes on the plates, but in Texas, they've started bar coding the registration stickers on the windows. Some police departments do have scanners in the cars, but they only read at contact distances.

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  20. Other security applications by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This could be useful for tracking sensitive documents in archives, and tracking when someone like Sandy Berger violates security and steals documents to use in a political campaign.

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  21. Use with guns? by chilledinsanity · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As I understand it, most RFID tags have a very limited range. If it was small enough, I'm wondering if you could have an officer's gun respond only when fired by a person wearing a RFID enabling ring or wristband. I say this because out of the majority of police officers who die each year in the line of duty, most are killed with their own weapons.

  22. What about an opt-in system? by l3prador · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What about a system wherein each individual could choose which pieces of information he or she was willing to have the RFID transmit? Like,

    First Name: No
    Last Name: Yes
    SSN: No
    Gender: No
    etc?

    If a person felt comfortable allowing the government to scan his or her information and thereby clear faster, he or she could do so, but if a person did not feel comfortable with that he or she would still be able to pass through the normal way. Would this be a possible compromise between privacy and security?

  23. Could the glass be half full? by Quadraginta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know, it's also possible that, if implemented right (I know, fat chance, but still...) that RFID identification could increase privacy and security.

    Consider: one of the big problems of modern life is you have to prove your ID, credit and legitimacy to all kinds of people all over the place, with the consequences that sooner or later your private info leaks out and bad guys can get ahold of it, zap, identity theft, credit card fraud, and so forth.

    But what if something like an RFID tag could be provided by one tightly controlled source, and it gave unimpeachable evidence of right to be there on the airplane, credit enough to buy the laptop from Best Buy, whatever.

    Then imagine: you walk into the Best Buy with your bankcard with the RFID tag. You pick up the laptop and walk out. Now, the BB security can let you out, because the bank's card has told them you've credit enough to buy the laptop and given them some secret code that guarantees them payment, and when they get that payment they have to give your digital assistant a secret code that guarantees you can get warranty repairs. But your card hasn't told them a damn thing else about you. You haven't had to tell BB your address or e-mail or bank name or even your own name. No junk mail from Best Buy, no tracking your purchases, no poking their nose into your credit history...

    Same thing with the airplane. You get an airline ticket after having proved who you are and where you can be found, and in some way -- OK, things get a little fuzzy here, but bear with me -- that you're safe and can be trusted, and then you walk into the airport and onto the airplane. The chip says "legit, allowed on plane to Boston at 6.47" but nothing else. No one checks your driver's license or passport eight zillion times, no one bends you over to search for bombs up your...but I digress...

    Anyway, one of the reasons we have to send out all this extra, unnecessary, privacy-endangering information about ourselves is because we don't have one rock-solid unforgeable way of identifying those narrow aspects of ourselves (our citizenship, credit, student status, license to drive, et cetera) that are legitimate necessities of certain transactions. Maybe RFIDs with some digital signature technology could provide one? Maybe the future could be more private and secure?

    Or have I had too much caffeine already? [Peers anxiously into empty mug...]

  24. RFID tags on our elected officials by ScooterBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why not go the extra mile and put RFID tags on cops, judges, politicians, doctors, bankers, pharmacists, etc.

    Then publish their whereabouts on a googlized map system. Now when you need a doctor or a cop, you know where to go. When there's an accusation of corruption or impropriety, you can check the map logs and see if Congressman Joe "show me the money" Smith was visiting the local corporate ganstas. I think this idea has merits.

    1. Re:RFID tags on our elected officials by Interrupt18 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why not go the extra mile and put RFID tags on cops, judges, politicians, doctors, bankers, pharmacists, etc

      Most passive RFID tags have a maximum read distance of less than 6". Unless the tags are in their shoes and a continuous underground antenna network is built to read them, they can't be used for tracking. It's also possible that scanners could be installed in every door in the city and you could tell the last door the person being tracked walked through.

      There is presently no infrastructure in place to track people with RFID. Why is nobody afraid of carrying a cell phone? If the phone company wanted to, they could track you using the base stations already in place, you are uniquely identified by your phone, and they have all your personal information on file.

      Being afraid of RFID tracking is even more irrational than being afraid to carry a phone.

  25. At the risk of sounding paranoid... by B11 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    First it starts with "oh, we're just going to put the VIN and the Plate number..." A year later its "oh now that we have this, we are going to pur the registered owners information on it"

    I'm sorry put yeah, for one, someone can hack a way to read all that information, now a thief has your address. And where does it stop? Once the government starts using RFID, they'll come up with all sorts of "neat" ways to use it. This is just to get us comfortable with the technology.

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  26. Re:Vehicle Tracking? by kryonD · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "In my opinion, it should take some real effort to track vehicles."

    Uh...why? I mean, when your car gets stolen, why do you feel the police should have to take some "real effort" to find it for you. If your daughter is kidnapped by some sicko and they know the plate number of his van (why is it that they all own vans?), why should it take them "real effort" to save her life? For that matter, why should you really care if the local cops know you went through the red light in front of Albertson's at 10:37pm if you aren't doing anything wrong?

    Also, guess what? I'd bet my next paycheck that you can't name a single "bureaucrat" that personally gives a damn about knowing where you are at 2am. Now, on the other hand, I'm sure you can find plenty who are currently being begged and pleaded by overworked police forces in their districts who are trying to cope with rashes of stolen vehicles, missing persons, and wanted criminals.

    Besides, there are several HUNDRED MILLION cars on the road and no one is going to randomly just decide to find out where your car was unless they had a reason to look for it. It's not like cops just sit around trying to dream up ways to mess with the American people. In case you haven't noticed, they're American people too.

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  27. Re:License plate bar codes by Catbeller · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The FBI could also scan cars around rallies to find "threats" to the president's peace of mind, AKA people with known anti-Bush tendencies, to arrest and harrass; the SS could use it to track dissidents... after all, they're doing it right now, with current tech.

    This is not a drill; this is a police state. Don't give them any more toys than those they already abuse.

  28. Re:Vehicle Tracking? by TWX · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Uh...why? I mean, when your car gets stolen, why do you feel the police should have to take some "real effort" to find it for you. If your daughter is kidnapped by some sicko and they know the plate number of his van (why is it that they all own vans?), why should it take them "real effort" to save her life? For that matter, why should you really care if the local cops know you went through the red light in front of Albertson's at 10:37pm if you aren't doing anything wrong?
    Because we live in a free society. We are innocent until proven guilty. We are 'alleged' when accused, not convicted. We are free to go about our business without anything stopping us or hanging over us.
    Also, guess what? I'd bet my next paycheck that you can't name a single "bureaucrat" that personally gives a damn about knowing where you are at 2am. Now, on the other hand, I'm sure you can find plenty who are currently being begged and pleaded by overworked police forces in their districts who are trying to cope with rashes of stolen vehicles, missing persons, and wanted criminals.
    It doesn't matter to me whether or not a specific individual employed by the government wants to know where I am or not. It's not their business to even know where I am.
    Besides, there are several HUNDRED MILLION cars on the road and no one is going to randomly just decide to find out where your car was unless they had a reason to look for it. It's not like cops just sit around trying to dream up ways to mess with the American people. In case you haven't noticed, they're American people too.
    Here, the problem is a lot worse because the county attorney won't take the time to prosecute car theives that are caught. A friend's car was stolen. A man was later involved in a minor accident with it, and he actually waited for the police. He was an illegal immigrant with no valid license (but a nice looking fake one), a fake title with one letter difference in the VIN, and no insurance. They elected not to prosecute, despite being able to charge and slam dunk the guy with posession of stolen property or grand theft auto, TWO fraudlent documents, no license, and no insurance. The attorney general would rather go after high profile shiny cases that get a lot of media attention.
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  29. Some Tinfoil Hat Fodder... by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Stuff like this really makes me wonder if the national ID cards we've been hearing about will employ RFID technology as well.

    Here's a possible worst case scenario for such a thing...

    First, have these new RFID cards required by law to be on your person at all times. Those who fail to comply with this are met with stiff penalties and become tagged as possible terror suspects.

    Then, set up a system to track each of these RFIDs to within three feet of their physical location, creating a database of common activity over time. (Going to work, groceries, etc...) If any new activity deviates from the activity stored in the database beyond a certain threshold or if the RFID goes out of range or stops transmitting beyond a set length of time, alert the feds / law enforcement to observe your activity directly, and tag you as a potential threat.

    Finally,have anyone found tampering with the RFID or willfully preventing random access to the RFID data (wrapping it in foil, etc...) tagged as a potential terror suspect and presented with stiff penalties.

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  30. Re:Vehicle Tracking? by Sheetrock · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't know where the line of thinking comes from on things like RFID or recent overbearing legislation that suggests that the only people who have a right to express concern about potential abuses must have already suffered a direct and forceful negative experience as a result of said technology or legislation.

    In my case, you're quite likely correct that nobody that would have access to these tools would care about tracking me, personally, throughout my day. But do consider the possibility of a small town or two where the local enforcement occasionally finds itself poking in everybody's business, perhaps sweeping parking lots of bars where "odd" people hang out or looking for out-of-towners to ticket.

    And then even figuring I'm a pretty uninteresting individual, take into account that protestors and politicians aren't. If this gets integrated in any way with traffic cameras or toll booths or they decide to toss routine scans from a cruiser into a log, the information could be used to quash dissent or held over our representatives to steer their decisions. Who knows how long this information is retained for, either? Ten years down the road you might run for office only to have logs of your vehicle regularly parked outside a porn shop turn up in the paper from an anonymous source.

    What I'm trying to say is that it doesn't have to directly affect us to affect us. It's a threat, albeit one still waiting for implementation to demonstrate how benign or dangerous it is to our privacy. It also seems redundant in light of license plates, except for the fact that it would make casual electronic scans of masses of vehicles much easier than visually inspecting each plate.

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  31. Re:Vehicle Tracking? by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That might have something to do with my status as a non-criminal, though.

    Somebody is proposing a law to change that as we speak. It is important to take away your non-criminal status, so that nobody will complain when your freedoms are taken away.

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  32. England leading the march by chihowa · · Score: 3, Interesting
    With all of the criticism of the US and its increasingly authoritarian feel (and there's no lack of it coming from me), it's interesting to note that England appears to be much farther ahead of us in the march to 1984.

    Even more interestingly, they seem pretty content with that fact. The fact that they're an unarmed populace with an armed (and dangerous!) government seems to please them greatly. The cameras and microphones in public places seem to get constant praise, or at least little outraged criticism (at least here on Slashdot). Some of the biggest gripes I heard in a previous article about the governor chips in cars in lieu of congestion fees were about how they weren't related (speeding in a congestion zone?).

    What gives? When the US gets to the level of government involvement that England is currently experiencing, will we be happy with it, too?

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  33. Re:RFID range by MajroMax · · Score: 2, Informative
    RFID range is dependant on the sensitivity of the receiver, so even though they only put out a small signal, RFIDs have a theoretical infinite range.

    No it's not. According to the Shannon-Hartley theorem, there's a theoretical maximum transfer rate at a given bandwidth and noise floor.

    The bandwidth of an RFID response is, of course, constant. By contrast (and ignoring entirely that RFIDs are passively powered) the relative signal strength of the RFID at the receiver decays approximately with the square of the distance.

    Given some information content I and noise floor N, there's a minimum signal to noise ratio for the RFID bandwidth such that the RFID's information can be (mostly) completely recovered. This necessarily implies a maximum range on receipt.

    Of course, beyond this range you could still recover some portion of the information. You'd then need to fire the RFID many times to, statistically, recover the entire thing. This of course requires infinite refires, and thus infinite time, at infinite range. Which is beyond the realm of plausibility and utility.

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  34. Re:think harder by crimethinker · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Nice try, but I'm not a Republican, and haven't been for a great many years. I vote mostly Libertarian these days. I think GWB has been a huge detriment to this country and our security. The only thing he's got going for him is he has done a better job than either Gore or Kerry would have done, and that's a damn shame that he's got nothing better to speak of his presidency.

    As for Saudi Arabia, I don't agree with our government's unwavering support for such a corrupt regime, which I might remind you was just as unwavering when Clinton was getting hummers in the Oval Office and perjuring himself about it.

    So how do we deal with Mid-Easy terrorism? Drill a hole through the glass and pump out the oil.

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  35. A not so perfect world by Wardish · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In a perfect world we wouldn't be concerned about privacy, we wouldn't need checks and balances on government power, we wouldn't need laws.

    BUT

    It's not a perfect world.

    All forms of power are eventually corrupting, in the rare event that a particular person isn't tempted in a way they are vulnerable to then time itself will cycle up someone who is.

    All structures in which power is accumulated is a beacon to those who would use it for good as well as those who would use it for personal gain, and many will switch from good to gain over the long run.

    Power can be even more insidious, you don't need to wield the ultimate power to be affected. You can in fact find satisfaction in exercising what control you can. Many people who for one reason or another seek power over other's gravitate to the twin bastions of abused power.

    GOVERNMENT and BUREAUCRACY

    Worse yet, in many positions where you have both the power and the desire to do good. You encounter those who would take advantage, those who are dishonest, those from whom you must protect the resources you control so that the good people will have them. Thus rules are made, rules that grow over time to cover manifold individual situations. Rules that take up much time to bypass for those few who are exceptions. First one is slighted, for the good of all, after all we wouldn't be able to help 10 other's if we took the time to help that one. And so it goes. Leading ever downward to the stereotype called

    BUREAUCRAT.

    But back to the point of this post... It's not a perfect world. We do need protections from ourselves, not individually, but that we do as a group. I've always been amazed at how the intelligence of a mob (in all it's many forms) is defined by it's lower limits. But again I digress.

    On the one hand our law enforcement agents need information in order to provide protection from those members of society that seek to harm other's.

    On the other hand if that information is easily obtained, not bound by strict and ruthless controls and access then IT WILL BE ABUSED. It is the nature of power.

    The US has had a good time of it, our constitution was well designed, with numerous limits and balances built in to check the natural growth of government power. These checks and balances weren't there by accident.

    The founders were so wary of and understanding of the nature of government and power that their first attempt failed (Articles of Confederation) by being so weak on the federal level to be essentially useless. It was in fact so bad that when they gathered to fix it tossed it and started over.

    That good time is coming to an end. Defeated by time and technologically aided abuses that are overwhelming the built in protections. Even though the founders built in methods for these protections to be updated and modified when necessary they weren't able to build in the will and resolve to do what's necessary.

    I don't believe we should turn away from technology, and I do think it can be a tremendous help in combating crime. HOWEVER it should be used and applied with 80% of the resources applied to checks and balances. The smallest incursions on our rights should be met with the assumption that such will be misused unless rigorous controls and safeguards are implemented.

    I'm not saying we can't trust those in power. I don't know them that well. I'm saying that if the power is there, then eventually someone we can't trust will be wielding it.

    --
    Ward

    . Silence! Be thankful thy species is unpalatable! .
  36. Answer is : Microwaves ! by redelm · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I believe a brief exposure to common food-preparation microwaves will fry any RFID device. Even if attached to something metal like a licence plate unless full Faraday-caged.

    BTW: barcodes are most easily rendered unreadable by line-color marks parallel and over the lines. One is usually sufficient. More may be necessary for checksumed codes. Better grocery stores do this when they put dated goods on sale. Magstripes are easily destroyed by wiping with rare-earth magnets (check the positioner on an old Hard drive).

    Also BTW: an empty wallet is not good when confronted by muggers. They tend to get upset over a poor haul, and commit further violence. Our security people recommend a "bait" wallet with some money, expired credit cards, etc.

    People have a right to live how they wish, but any and all security precautions cost. The question is: do they payout? who are the opponents, and how likely are they to act? Personally, I believe that paranoia is a form of egotism: an exaggerated sense of self-importance.

  37. It has *no* privacy problems: the gov't says so. by geekotourist · · Score: 4, Informative
    From a post from the last time Slashdot covered this story:

    The Department of Homeland Security has a Privacy Assessment of this program. Guess what? It has no privacy implications.

    • The information can only be shared with "...other agencies at the federal, state, local, foreign, or tribal level, who are lawfully engaged in collecting law enforcement information (whether civil or criminal) and national security intelligence information and/or who are investigating, prosecuting, enforcing, or implementing civil and/or criminal laws, related rules, regulations, or orders." "The Privacy Act SORNs for the systems on which US-VISIT draws provide notice as to the conditions of disclosure and routine uses for the information collected by US-VISIT. Any disclosure by DHS must be compatible with the purpose for which the information was collected."
    • The tag only contains an unencrypted number, and only the very limited number of groups above would have access to the information.
    • The tag can't be used to ID someone as a visitor because the DHS has contemplated this problem. Thus problem solved... "it is contemplated that the unencrypted RFID tag number will not be structured in such a way that it can be used to identify the individual as a non-immigrant."(pg 15)How exactly? Will everyone soon be carrying an RFID, so the visitor won't stand out?
    • And of course it can't be used for surveillance, as "There is also a low risk that the RFID tag could be used to conduct surreptitious locational surveillance of an individual; i.e., to use the presence of the tag to follow an individual as he or she moves about in the U.S. However, ensuring that RFID tag numbers do not exhibit properties that can be readily attributed to US-VISIT and using a limited radio frequency range effectively mitigates this risk. The design process is also taking into account methods of reducing eavesdropping and skimming possibilities." (pg 15). Reducing the "possibilities" by sticking their fingers into their ears and singing "La la la" each time a new tech groups shows them ever longer read ranges.
    • And most importantly it doesn't affect US Citizens, because the document doesn't mention them. Never mind that every traveler in the car must be identified in order to separate the residents and citizens from visitors (by definition). They'll now know who you're associating with as you travel.
    As I said last time...

    I'm now going to "contemplate" that being asked for "your papers, please" and being tracked every time I enter and leave my country, that there is no more "If" in "If we have to live our lives weighing every action, every communication, every human contact, wondering what agents of the state might find out about it, analyze it, judge it, possibly misconstrue it, and somehow use it to our detriment, we are not truly free." doesn't change our rights (4th Amendment anyone? it says "Persons") in the US. Whooohoo, I'm ever so much safer! [btw, that's one of the best essays on why privacy is a necessary and fundamental right in a free society. He warns Canadians not to give up what the U.S. has already lost. Worth reading.]

  38. Nexus Pass by RobinH · · Score: 2, Informative

    I cross the US/Canadian border regularly, and use a special "commuter" lane called the nexus lane (both ways - it's a cooperative program between both countries). In that lane, there is an RFID reader and we are all issued plastic cards with RFID chips in them. You just drive up, the RFID reader reads the chip in the card, a camera takes a picture of your license plate and does character recognition on it, then compares it to the database to make sure it matches one of the vehicles assigned to that card, and then a border guard makes sure the picture on the card matches you. I think this program started in 2002 or something.

    So, this is not new to me.

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    "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain