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Another View of the FCC and Spectrum Scarcity

Bob_Robertson writes "Tim Swanson on the Ludwig von Mises Institute site is asking, has the FCC put itself out of a job by allowing the 47-49 MHz, 2.4 GHZ and other "open spectrum" frequencies, thus focusing innovation and development into making fantastic use of limited resources? The basis of the FCC's existence is "scarcity", so what happens when there isn't any scarcity any more? LVMI has looked into the FCC before."

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  1. Federal Censorship Committee by bigwavejas · · Score: 5, Insightful
    We can only hope those nutcases are putting themselves out of jobs. They've already forced radio talk show host Howard Stern to move to Satellite radio. The FCC are a bunch of spineless pansies who bow down to ultra-paranoid religious whack-jobs, who get their panties all bunched up every time someone say's a bad word (cover your kids ears) or flashes a boob (cover your kids eyes, lord knows they'll never recover). I say good riddance! This country wasn't founded on censorship; it was founded on Freedom of Speech.

    Support your local pirate radio, much like http://www.freakradio.org/

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    1. Re:Federal Censorship Committee by mmell · · Score: 5, Insightful
      An unfortunate truth of human affairs in general and politics in particular is that once power is granted, it is nearly impossible to rescind.

      The FCC will never go away, so long as the United States government exists - our government will never cede any power it has back to the populace it governs. The effect is similar to entropy - our government will grow progressively more and more powerful, more and more intrusive, until the day somebody is inspired by the phrase "When in the course of human events . . ."

      Then again, so many of us want the kind of "cradle-to-grave" care our government has evolved into providing. "Let them continue to regulate radio communications" the people will say, "just keep my television spewing out mountains of mindless pap, keep the radio airwaves full of the musical tripe which the music industry has decreed I should find entertaining."

      I guess we'll get what we desserve.

    2. Re:Federal Censorship Committee by mikecito · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Freedom of Speech != Freedom to be Vulgar

      Freedom of Speech was meant to protect those who wish to voice their opinion about the government and its policies. It was meant to allow people to worship how they wish religiously and share that openly. It wasn't meant to protect ANY act you desire, no matter how vulgar or cruel. Howard Stern broke the law, and he was punished for it. The law was put in place for a reason.

      You might not be offended by porn, vulgar talk, violence, or whatever else. But some people ARE offended by it, and they deserve to have places of sanctity. Everyone knows there are plenty of places for filth. If you really want to hear Howard Stern, the government/FCC isn't stopping you. They just make sure your kids don't hear it too, unless you provide access for them.

      Some people say "If you don't like what you see or hear, change the channel." The same applies to you. If there aren't enough boobs or sex talk for you, change the channel.

      I don't know if you have kids, but if you do, you should care about them enough to protect them from things like pornography, vulgar movies, or dirty talk shows. It affects them more than you realize.

    3. Re:Federal Censorship Committee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      your post offended me...

      you shouldnt be allowed to say it.

      so if you think the test for freedom of speech is whether someone is offended by it or not... it is a sad day for america.

      and you are wrong about the first ammendment, that does give me the right to be vulgar.

      oh and i cant change the channel because people like you prevented that stuff from being on any channel. that is the problem, you dont like it,so no one can see it now.

      you had the option to ignore it in the past, now i dont have the option to hear it at all

    4. Re:Federal Censorship Committee by ewieling · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then again, so many of us want the kind of "cradle-to-grave" care our government has evolved into providing.

      What govt are you talking about? Not the USA govt. In fact the LACK of "cradle to grave" care is one of the major problems in the USA. We have no socialiazed health care. People can only get 7 years of welfare in their entire life. Social Security is not enough to live on. I can go on and on. Maybe you meant "cradle to grave" care for corporations?

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    5. Re:Federal Censorship Committee by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Freedom of Speech != Freedom to be Vulgar

      Yes, it does. Freedom of Speech means just that. You are free to say anything you want excluding the proverbial 'Fire!' in a crowded theater (or any other place) or if you slander someone (though you can actually slander someone you will probably go to court for saying it).

      You apparently consider the saying of the words 'ass' and 'tit' to be vulgar. I don't. So what's vulgar to you is not the same as what's vulgar to me.

      Do you consider someone from the KKK saying that blacks are nothing but monkeys or that hispanics are nothing but lazy, job-stealing wetbacks?* Too bad. Those comments are protected by the First Amendment.

      No, I don't have kids but protecting kids from what you consider to be unsavory isn't the way to go. Exposing kids to everything allows them to become well-rounded adults who are aware of everything. It is up to you to instill upon them your own values and explain to them why you consider pornography bad. Simply saying 'Don't watch/look at that stuff. It's bad.' isn't a good enough reason for kids.

      Freedom of Speech means anyone can say what they want (minus the exceptions I listed). It means the freedom to say the good, the bad and the ugly.

      * The above comments are not meant to be representative of my views on the aformentioned groups. I was merely using examples to illustrate my point. Any person who was offended by my comments should feel free to find the nearest attractive person and make mad monkey-love to that person in an attempt to vent their frustrations at my comments. I take no responsibility for any unforseen outcomes of such encounters.

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    6. Re:Federal Censorship Committee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, I don't have kids but protecting kids from what you consider to be unsavory isn't the way to go. Exposing kids to everything allows them to become well-rounded adults who are aware of everything.

      Ay, there's the rub. They don't want their children to be well rounded-individuals with all the responsibility that comes with it. No, I think that many people's ideal offspring would be a zombie that parrots out exactly what they want, because they're deathly afraid that they might actually be human and make mistakes and all of that.

      No, it's all about control, because if one of those ideas was seeded in the back of their mind they might decide that their parents and ancestors were full of shit--which is all too likely, since most of these types know subconsciously that they are full of shit... They'd lose their mindless subordinate, there would be potential for change, and above all else that's what they fear. After all, isn't that basically the definition of "conservatism?" When it comes down to it, they're afraid of intelligence, and afraid that their stupidity would subsequently be exposed.

      They need their children to perpetuate the cycle! And for what it's worth, I think they're doing a bang-up job!

    7. Re:Federal Censorship Committee by timster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is that the version of the Gospel where Jefferson removes any notion of Jesus performing miracles or being the son of God?

      Make no mistake -- Jefferson was religious, but he was not a Southern Baptist.

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    8. Re:Federal Censorship Committee by beeblebrox87 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      An unfortunate truth of human affairs in general and politics in particular is that once power is granted, it is nearly impossible to rescind.

      The US government gave up the power to prohibit the consumption of alcohol by adults. It gave up the power to restrict voting on the basis of sex, race, or age over 18. It gave up the power to raise congressmen's salaries without an intervening election. The Bill of Rights itself is a list of powers the US government gave up (though it did so without ever really trying to exercise those powers). Outside the US examples are even starker. The Monarch of the UK, over the course of several centuries, gave up every one of his/her powers, some to Parliament (e.g. the right to create legislation) and some to nobody (e.g. the right to condemn people to death). Through glasnost and perestroika, the government of the USSR gave up many of it's powers over its citizens social and economic freedoms.

      Governments do give up their powers, and have difficulty holding on to a power for very long without support from the people.

    9. Re:Federal Censorship Committee by RexRhino · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are saying that the information comes from people you may disagree with (you don't know for sure, since you don't bother reading such information), so it isn't a valid point of discussion? "Oh god, I must not expose myself to ideas that don't cofirm my previously held viewpoints... must not keep an open mind...". A free-thinking, non-brainwashed individual will happilly pull information from all over the political spectrum. I think your statements illustrate perfectly the growing facism in the western world.

      The Heritage Foundation is clearly neo-con and pro-Bush, and tends to distort its figures to be pro-American, and pro-Republican. So when the Heritage Foundation says that the U.S. has rappidly dropped in it's Index of Economic Freedom since G. W. Bush has become president and there has been a Republican majority in Congress, that information is extremly interesting. You would think that the left would use that information to make a compelling case against Bush that could win over a lot of people on the right. What more convincing information could someone use to discredit Bush than figures from a right-wing think-tank showing that Bush has actually made the U.S. LESS free-market. Someone who is intelligent and open-minded would read information from people with opposing viewpoints, and use it for their own ends.

      But unfortunatly, the left nowadays is brain-dead, which is why Bush and his cronies have taken over the United States.

  2. Its not a business by kevin_conaway · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article ignores the fact that the FCC is not a business. It is largely a regulatory agency there to ensure that the spectrums don't get abused and misused. As long as people are using the spectrums, the FCC will be there to regulate them.

    1. Re:Its not a business by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You are a liar.

      Geez, such manners!

      They protect us from hearing the "seven words" over the *public* airwaves. The *public* airwaves. You want to say any of the words? GO AHEAD. But not over the public airwaves.

      Apparently your definition of "public airwaves" includes cable. The Senate isn't currently in session, but here's a good story back from March. You can suck on this:
      Senator Bids to Extend Indecency Rules to Cable

        Cable television shows packed with sex and profanity, such as HBO's "Deadwood," FX's "Nip/Tuck" and Comedy Central's "South Park," would be subject to the same indecency regulations that govern over-the-air broadcasts if the chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee has his way.

      Currently, the Federal Communications Commission has the authority to fine only over-the-air radio and television broadcasters for violating its indecency regulations, which forbid airing sexual or excretory material between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m., when children are most likely watching.

      But Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) told a group of broadcasters yesterday that he wants to extend that authority to cover the hundreds of cable and satellite television and radio channels that operate outside of the government's control. In addition to basic cable channels such as ESPN, Discovery and MTV, that would include premium channels such as HBO and Showtime and the two satellite radio services, XM and Sirius.

      "We put restrictions on the over-the-air signals," Stevens said after his address to the National Association of Broadcasters, according to news reports confirmed by his staff. "I think we can put restrictions on cable itself. At least I intend to do my best to push that."
      They're pandering to soccer moms who use their TVs as surrogate parents. This isn't about spectrum scarcity anymore. They want regulation of culture.
  3. Still a need for "THEM" by gorehog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The FCC might seem like it's putting itself out of business by deregulating some bandwidth but the nature of radio is that those frequencies are scarce. No matter how much digital encoding and adaptive technology that is used there will still be legit uses for wireless analog communications at high power. Therefore there will always be a need for some regulation of the wireless spectrum and a need for some governing body to decide what is allowed where and how much.

    Now, the question is, will the FCC become irrelevant. Well, if current governmental trends continue then no. The current feds will NOT give up their current moral valve that the FCC provides. The FCC may become absorbed by the FTC or the Dept of Homeland Defense, or it's responsibilites split between them but be sure that the government will not give up it's eminent domain over the radio spectrum because they want to control availability and content.

    Another thing to consider is all the other nations that have not given up their regulations over wireless communications. The brits still license TV recievers and most nations license their Ham Radio operators. The FCC will not disappear until there is no international need for them.

    So sez KC2MMW.

    73's

  4. Not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Since the spectrum goes to the highest bidder, and basically any commercial operation is given the OK these days... The only thing needed is someone to keep track of who owns what part of the spectrum. It's no longer considered a shared public resource, but more of a leased property. I could see the whole FCC being replaced by a clerk to keep track of ownership and companies buying/selling spectrum as they see fit so long as they notify the clerk. Anyone using the wrong spectrum will naturally be dealt with in the courts. OTOH, the FCC does still pretend to support the public interest by issuing fines for saying certain things or showing a boob on TV.

  5. Are you nuts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do you really think scarcity is going away by assigning a couple megahertz to unlicensed use? Have you ever tried using Wifi in a densely populated area? 12 access points in one spot? Plus Bluetooth, video bridges and microwave ovens? Scarcity is right then and there. Also, longhaul connections are pretty much unavailable due to power limits, which can't be raised by much for unlicensed bands without risking health problems and interference with mission critical (licensed) applications.

    If there were no shortage of usable radio frequencies, then the FCC would obviously be pretty much out of a job, except for power regulations perhaps, but the assumption that scarcity is somehow going away is bogus.

  6. Re:Driving the FCC out of business... by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It ain't easy though.

    Here's a highly recommended book by the way, unfortunately out of print "No Way The Nature of the Impossible" by Philip J. Davis, David Park (ISBN 0716719665). It consists of a series of essays on the concept of "Impossible" in various fields such as physics, mathematics, biology, mountaineering and so forth.

    It's relevant because in the essay on public policy, the writer points out that it is impossible to implement any policy a bureaucracy doesn't like, because the bureaucracy is your only means to implement it. One reason that the government grew so much under FDR (other than the war and the surplus of labor during the Depression) was that in order to make changes, he found it easier to create entire new bureaucracies rather than to try to change the old ones, which he left to slowly wither on the vine. It isn't just a liberal phenomenon either: my wife served (in an extremely lowly capacity) in the Reagan administration for a while, and the period was remarkable for the rate at which government and the various private entities that feed off of it grew. DC was busting at the seams after a couple of years. No surprise that deficits are through the roof these days and that we need a whole new cabinet level agency post 9/11 either.

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  7. They do a lot more than dole out spectrum by Zackbass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know the sticker about harmful interference on nearly every piece of electronic equipment you own? I doubt that the problems of interference, either purposeful not, are going to go away any time soon.

    What happens when someone starts manufacturing some great device that belches out RFI all over your precious WiFi? How about the neighbor with a high power amplifier that screws up all your phones? When Verizon decides that Nextel's phones should be jammed? The new one mile range AP that just happens to cause burns if you stand near it?

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  8. Re:Save us, Free Market, save us! by interiot · · Score: 2, Insightful
    DSL provided by a third party over the local phone monopoly's lines, while the local monopoly itself is selling the same service, is not competition.
    So that whole CLEC thing that allows consumers to choose between various local/long-distance providers will never work?

    The biggest step is for government to realize that a natural monopoly exists, and that they need to mandate the sharing of lines. To take one step further and mandate maximum lease prices isn't really a big step after that.

    Competition among broadband providers will only happen when wireless internet is cheap and readily available.
    It's true that markets work more efficiently when a natural monopoly doesn't exist. But it's also true that natural monopolies exist in many other circumstances (gas, power, phone, cable tv, cable modem, dsl), and governments HAVE had success in introducing competition into those markerts, so there's no reason to give up on them, and allow the existing monopolies to continue to exploit the market.
  9. Re:Federal-ism by Bob_Robertson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't forget that the Bill of Rights was written to stop the new Federal government from infringing on the powers of the existing States.

    The principles of the founding of the United States is one of "federalism". A weak central government of explicitly enumerated powers (article 1 section 8), separate from the several States, with their governments of general powers rather than enumerated.

    That there were States with their own constitutions limiting their general powers is a testament to the fact that government at any level must be restrained or it will abuse its citizens.

    The fact that certain states did indeed regulate speech, recognize religion(s), restrict firearms and all the other things that the Fed.Gov is prohibitted doing in the Bill Of Rights is just part of what the Founders lived with.

    Some states were utterly against restricting the right of free speech, others utterly against having their power to restrict speech infringed upon. The compromise was to simply prohibit the Fed.Gov from interfering with the states one way or another at all.

    Sounds like a great compromise to me. I wish we could all compromise by simply abolishing the power of government to make the decision for us. Whatever that decision is.

    Bob-

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  10. Entirely in Agreement by GOD_ALMIGHTY · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The author seems to have a decent grasp on the effects of technological innovation on the market, but he has no grasp of the structure of the market itself. Without centralized artificial restrictions on spectrum usage, the military, commercial radio, emergency services and hobbyists would all have had to wait until radio's tools caught up to make use of it. At the time of the establishment of the FCC, radio much less useful without artifically defining spectrum usage. The barrier to entry would have been too high.

    The FCC will always be needed to protect spectrum for low-tech communications, which are still needed. As to the FCC's censorship and their handling of pirate radio, they've totally acted in contradiction to their purpose. However, the FCC is a public institution and can be raigned in, but I doubt that's the approach someone writing for the Von Mises Institute would take. The irrational belief in the 'a priori' axiom leads to a logic that makes throwing the baby out with the bathwater appear rational.

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  11. Re:What are you smoking? by AndersOSU · · Score: 2, Insightful
    where's the preview button? should look like:
    Examples of things done better with taxes than privetly:
    1. Road building
    2. Medical/Scientific research (federal grants)
    3. Policing
    4. National Defense
    5. Human/Civil rights efforts
    6. Universally available education

    Now I'm not saying the government does any of these things perfectly, but none of these could be effectively done by a for profit company.
  12. Re:Driving the FCC out of business... by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Milton Friedman says that during Reagan's reign, government socialist activity dropped. Link here.

    What can I say? I can't argue with an Authority like Friedman. All I can say is what my eyes saw, which was DC experiencing massive, explosive growth. Now depending on your definition of "government socialist activity", it may well have been reduced. But unless there was some other major industry exists in DC other than federal government and toadying to the federal government, I'd have to say in my unscientific mind it seems likely that the sum of the activities in those area increased. They can't all have been selling coke to Marion Barry.

    By the way, I prefer to think of our presidents as "serving terms" rather than reigning. Small-r republican tastes I guess.

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  13. Re:We at the FCC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    ... that means "studies" and "retreats" eventually leading to a recommendation to double staffing ...

    The part you left out is reorganization. Government agencies use reorginazation to create the illusion of change. Often the new organization requires more personnel, thus the increase in the size of the workforce.

    Currently at many levels of government it is stylish to hire contractors, to allow the government to crow about reducing the size of the workforce. That leads to paying for work three times: 1) the government employee in charge, 2) the contractor, 3) another government employee to fix what the contractor did. Nobody believed that reducing the size of the workforce would increase costs.