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Real Worried About Apple Lawsuits
sebFlyte writes "silicon.com is reporting that Real is very worried that Apple will sue it over its Harmony technology that 'breaks' iTunes' FairPlay DRM to allow its music to play on the iPod. They acknowledged in an SEC filing that a lawsuit from Apple would potentially be very damaging to the company's bottom line, as it accepts that a court might not agree that the reverse-engineering is legal."
is this the first time I'll be rooting FOR Real?
(not to spite apple, but to support reverse engineering of course!)
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as it accepts that a court might not agree that the reverse-engineering is legal.
Real makes a competing product. They want to be able to interoperate with the songs sold on iTunes. This should be an open and shut case. I cringe to think what sort of legal wrangling will go on.
I know that Real is no great champion, but we should support them if there is a possibility it will help to preserve what little bit of fair use we still have left.
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Breaking 20 year old contracts binding you not to get involved in music won't be good for the bottom line either
but hey lawsuits is what America likes doing !, the legal industry is the biggest cash contributers in the world to American politics so nothing is going to change until everyone is either dead or in court
see you in court or hell !
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I don't think Real was whining about the DMCA then.
According to Real, the ability to play a different form of DRM'd files on the iPod while still keeping it DRM'd.
Non-DRM'd mp3s, as you point out, will just play fine.
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The courts recently ruled that reverse-engineering hardware (Lexmark printer catridges, garage door openers) is legal and the DMCA doesn't apply for purposes of interopability. If you approach the potential case of Real getting sued by Apple about Rhapsody, it's the same concept: reverse engineering software (vs hardware) for purposes of interopability. Should be cut-and-dried, but who knows which way the courts will go.
It's about the reverse engineering exception under the DMCA. This concerns why it was done (interoperability) not how it was done.
DMCA 1201 (f) (1) provides:
This would appear to permit circumvention of a technological measure that effectively controls access to a copyrighted work for the purposes of achieving interoperability (such circumvention otherwise being banned by secion 1201 (a)(1)(A)). That appears to be what Real have done. So it IS about the legality of reverse engineering in this particular scenario.
Note: I'm not saying that they are legally in the clear, just that reverse engineering (as the term is used in the DMCA) IS what they are talking about.
To summarise the summary of the summary: people are a problem. ~ h2g2
"Apple built a product (iTunes + iPod) that a lot of consumers love (marketshare speaks much louder than OGG support, open-ness, etc.), and Real wants a piece of that because very few are using their service. Why is it that we think just because it involves a computer or teh intarweb that it should all be fair game (or fair play, to pull a pun)?"
So then you must agree that it's good for Microsoft to use closed file formats for Office and that Lexmark should be able to sue competitors for refilling their ink cartridges. Also, cracking the DVD encrpytion scheme to make a Linux DVD player must be wrong too.
"If I create a product that is easier to use, looks good, and appeals to more consumers than everyone else's product, why should I have to share? I mean, if in the mean time I was running around telling the music companies that they could only use my service or could get some sort of incentive to not allow other services (i.e., the allegations behind much of the Wintel monopoly) that'd be one thing, but it appears that nothing of that sort happened."
Apple shouldn't be required to share, but if someone reverse engineers their product to make something that is compatible, do you really believe Apple should have legal grounds to sue?
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Is reverse-engineering software necessarily illegal?
No. Reverse-engineering is legal. But not as legal as it once was, since the DMCA bans the circumvention of copyright protection devices, except for interoperability purposes.
Has a precedent been set in the software world that would apply to this?
Yes and no. There is a good amount of legal precedent from before, e.g. Vault Corp. v. Quaid Software Ltd, which held that reverse-engineering was legal, even though there was an EULA prohibiting it. This was even for a copyright-protection circumvention device. (a program which would copy copy-protected floppies)
But that ruling is from before the DMCA, and probably isn't as relevant anymore.
The thing is, the DMCA is rather new, so there isn't a lot of precedent defining exactly what qualifies as 'interoperability purposes'. Nor is the idea of a 'copyright protection device' very well defined yet. Which is why there are lots of eager lawsuits trying to strech this to cover everything.
I think Real could probably make a good argument that it's for interoperability purposes. But since it's not well-defined, they're right to be cautious.
In Europe, things are somewhat clearer. Council directive 91/250/EEC, article 6 also allows reverse-engineering for interoperability purposes, and defines those purposes somewhat better than US law.
It's worth mentioning that stopping reverse-engineering through copyright law is only possible if the subject material is copyrightable to begin with. And people tend to overestimate how much of a program is copyrightable. For instance, an API is either not in itself copyrightable (Computer Associates v. Altai) or, duplicating it is allowed through fair-use (Sega v. Accolade).
IANAL.
Not quite. It is every company's responsibility to state all facts that a reasonable investor might consider important in deciding whether to invest.
The required level of disclosure is certainly something less than "all possibilities . . . however remote [they] may be." Under this type of standard, a company would have to disclose the possibility of an asteroid hitting the corporate headquarters, or the possibility of the CEO's having a heart attack and an infinite number of other "possibilities".
To be fair (and at the risk of stating the obvious), Real's disclosure is right on the money. Given the current state of the law and the spectre of even a threatened DMCA action, any new technology that requires reverse engineering (especially one that goes straight for Apple's market) makes its author vulnerable, and disclosure in this case is warranted.