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High-End Aluminum PC Cases Make A Comeback

An anonymous reader writes ""Lian Li's V1200 Plus represents the apex of enclosure technology to date. Lian Li is a long time favorite of computer builders, especially those who are willing to spend more so that they will get the features and design benefits of a high end product. This case has a formidable price tag, but with its great looks, innovative layout, and brand reputation it has more that a few things going for it. At 210 x 490 x 625mm this case has the depth of a full-tower, but not the height. This makes it perfect for extensive systems and for people who need to tinker inside the case.""

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  1. What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum by bigwavejas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Another thing to consider, which this article didn't specifically point out is... Aluminum cases keep your system cooler than standard steel cases. With PC temperatures rising (through overclocked CPU's and the latest pixel-pushing video cards), it's one more reason to consider a Aluminum.

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    1. Re:What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum by dmbrun · · Score: 5, Informative

      Aluminum cases keep your system cooler than standard steel cases

      Well no.

      See http://www.systemcooling.com/alum_steel-01.html

    2. Re:What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not really - your computer heats the air inside the case, and not the case itself. Unless the parts generating more heat are attached directly to it (like the CPU), it won't really make much of a difference.
          Even stuff like hard disk (which are bolted to the case) will be cooled pretty much the same if the case is made of Al, steel or whatever, as there's enough mass to deal with it. Aluminium will move the heat quicker, giving you a couple of degrees less, and that's it.

          It will also irradiate poorly (being metal gray in color, instead of black).

    3. Re:What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum by badasscat · · Score: 5, Informative

      Another thing to consider, which this article didn't specifically point out is... Aluminum cases keep your system cooler than standard steel cases.

      I'm guessing the article didn't point it out because it's not true. It's an old urban legend among PC builders that's been thoroughly debunked repeatedly, to the point where most people actually don't believe it anymore. (This is a good thing - most urban myths just keep on going forever... witness the Bill Gates 640k quote myth.)

      Aluminum is a superior thermal conductor to steel but that's meaningless when you're talking about open air. Your PC's components are not actually in contact with the aluminum so it doesn't do them any good to be in an aluminum case. The vast majority of a PC's heat (around 99.9%) is removed by the PC's fans, not by conduction through the case, and you can easily verify this yourself just by feeling the top of your PC when it's on. It's likely that it's barely even warm to the touch - if it is, then you've got bigger problems that aren't going to be solved just by an aluminum case.

      It's far more important that a PC case be built for good airflow than what material it's made out of. A well-designed steel case will outperform a poorly-designed aluminum case in terms of heat removal any day of the week.

      It's another myth that aluminum cases are lighter - that may be true by a half pound or so, but when you're talking about 40 lbs. vs. 39.5 lbs. in a fully loaded PC, I don't think that much matters either. Your PC's innards don't magically get lighter just because you bought an aluminum case.

      Buy an aluminum case because you like the way it looks and you like the way it's designed, not for any other reason.

      (btw, I have two PC's in aluminum cases - I just like the look.)

    4. Re:What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum by DakotaSandstone · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It's another myth that aluminum cases are lighter - that may be true by a half pound or so...

      Actually, metallic iron has a density of about 7 g/cc, and aluminum is 2.6 g/cc -- an aluminum case will weigh less than half an iron one made of the same thickness of material.

      I can vouch for the lightness of my aluminum case. This isn't 40.0 vs 39.5 lbs, it's more like 40 vs 20.

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    5. Re:What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum by HD+Webdev · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm guessing the article didn't point it out because it's not true. It's an old urban legend among PC builders that's been thoroughly debunked repeatedly, to the point where most people actually don't believe it anymore.
      {SNIP excellent explanation}


      People can also go and grab a 6-pack of beer in cans (noooo!) to experient with and see that aluminum is not all it's cracked up to be.

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    6. Re:What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum by ionpro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wrong on both counts.

      A large amount of the heat an average PC produces today is made by the power supply. The power supply is a tough nut to crack -- the best are only 80% efficient, and they're so small that it's hard to get airflow through them. Even the new models with a 90mm and 120mm fan don't actually blow that many CFMs because all the equipment inside. And when you realize that in a 350W computer, at least 70W of pure heat have to be disipated, every little bit (conduction or convection) helps.

      And why is aluminum lighter? Well, you're right, the material itself is not that much lighter. But usually cases need to be made out of 1cm thick steel, while aluminum can be much thinner (0.7cm) while maintaining structural integrity. Why do you think all those soda cans are made out of aluminum? I know that aluminum cases are lighter, because I have two Antec SX1000 cases beside me. They have equivilant components, except one has a heftier video card and 5 hard drives, while the other has 2 hard drives and a light, passively-cooled card. Guess which one is lighter?

      The 5 drive computer with the heftier video card is about half the weight -- perhaps more, I haven't weighed it. It's *quite* obvious when lifting the computers, however.

  2. Advertisement by medeii · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Lian Li's V1200 Plus represents the apex of enclosure technology to date. Lian Li is a long time favorite of computer builders, especially those who are willing to spend more so that they will get the features and design benefits of a high end product.

    Can it get any more blatant than this?

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    1. Re:Advertisement by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 5, Funny
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      At first glance it seemed like that link is 80% ads but now that you point it out, looks like it's 100%. =\

    3. Re:Advertisement by Analog+Squirrel · · Score: 2, Funny

      You just had to ask, didn't you?

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  3. Welcome to addot.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I hope Slashdot is at least getting a cut on the referral money from these sites. I'm going to go put up a "review" of some hot new hardware and submit it to Slashdot. With any luck, they'll post it... twice!

  4. I've been looking for a good case. by johndierks · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I was builing a gaming machine I wanted a high quality G5-like case for it, but couldn't find one. I think this might be it.

    1. Re:I've been looking for a good case. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can buy the G5 shell on ebay for a cheap price but you'll need to make adapters to make it work.

      I really haven't liked Lian-Li cases when I got a good close-up look.

  5. What a waste of money!!! by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 5, Funny

    For God's sake, Aluminum is too damned weak for a good case kicking. I mean when I'm pissed, I like the nice recoil of a heavy gage steel panel against my boot when I punt my case in rage.

  6. Blatent Slashvertisement? by rdwald · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean, the review is written by a Lian-Li employee, and the story was submitted here by an "anonymous reader." Seems like a blatent plug to me.

  7. But it doesn't sound like one by Space+cowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Indeed, it looks very nice (different, but nice) next to my G5. It's a lot louder though :-(

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  8. Not impressed by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First of all, I think this thing is ugly as sin. It's not sleek and stylish, it looks like something you'd find in a manufacturing plant making pieces of some sort of industrial equipment. Okay, that's just my personal taste, maybe you think it's beautiful.

    That being said, it definitely has non-aesthetic drawbacks as well. From one of the reviews on Newegg's site:

    Overall I'm satisfied, though I'll post my minor complaints here because that's what this is for, right? (1) No reset button. (2) The power light "bleeds" into the hard drive light. (3) Case doesn't do much to deaden sound. While not an issue for me, don't buy this case if you are looking to build a quiet computer. (4) Though the location and installation of the hard drives is unique, it would make connecting a full load of SCSI drives difficult. This can probably mostly be overcome with a round cable. (5) The power LED connector is a three pin while my MB, and all I've used to now, require a 2 pin connector. I had to remove the individual pins from the connector to plug into the board. (6) Not too familiar with Firewire connections, but the front panel firewire array connector does not fit on my MB. You would have to extract the individual pins like I did with the power connector. (7) I'm suspicious that airflow through the case is as good as it appears it should be. CPUs run about 4-5 degrees C warmer with the sides mounted in place.

    He may be satisifed, but I'm definitely steering away from it. That's just too many weirdities.

    1. Re:Not impressed by value_added · · Score: 2, Funny
      First of all, I think this thing is ugly as sin.

      In its favor, this particular case does admittedly go well with certain decors.

      Depends on your version of ugly. Personally, I think all computer equipment should strive to emulate the look of audio equipment, but if that's not possible or desired, sticking a 4U rackmount system into a wooden cabinet offers a look that's infinitely preferrable to the goofiness for sale on store shelves.

  9. They SAY it looks like the G5 case... by Nova+Express · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...right there on page 2. Unfortunately, they fail to mention that they took a G5, and then bashed it with the Ugly Stick.

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  10. Mirror by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative

    P.S. The site seems to be completely dead. If you have problems, use this mirror courtesy of Coral Cache.

    1. Re:Mirror by anagama · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why not just link to lian li directly? http://www.lian-li.com/Product/Chassis/M_V_C_PC-V1 200.htm. Is it me or have these been around for a while -- seems I saw an identical looking case for $190 at the local compucare last winter. Maybe just a prior incarnation.

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  11. I always worry about aluminum. by Sheetrock · · Score: 2, Funny
    True, it's got some simple advantages for casebuilding. It's lightweight, shiny, and probably the best metal for heat dissipation (assuming a room cooler than your system, of course). No corrosion either.

    But let's take a look at the chemistry. Anybody in plumbing or wiring will tell you to avoid connecting two different metals -- and I don't think it's a coincidence that computer cases until now have either been plastic or largely built from the same metals as your ICs.

    Iron has four energy levels, but aluminum only has three; this would suggest to the average person that aluminum would shield components better from electrical interference, but that's not the case at all. Additionally, iron has four known stable isotopes while aluminum only has one, and most computer builders prefer to build as much stability into their systems as possible.

    I prefer plastic above the rest, as while it is more synthetic and prone to generating static electricity if rubbed with a wool cloth it generally works well and offers a greater degree of artistic freedom to the case designer.

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    1. Re:I always worry about aluminum. by Baloo+Ursidae · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I prefer plastic above the rest, as while it is more synthetic and prone to generating static electricity if rubbed with a wool cloth it generally works well and offers a greater degree of artistic freedom to the case designer.

      And no case ground or RF shielding. Plastic is almost always a very poor choice for electronic equipment, particularly anything that might be near RF equipment (ie, your neighbor with a high-power HF rig; your stereo; etc.). I'd rather have aluminum than plastic, at least aluminum is closer to what you're looking for, as poor of an RF sheild and conductor as it may be.

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  12. Why? by cascino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This case has been around for a long time. And it's ugly as sin.
    Why again is this front-page worthy?

    1. Re:Why? by British · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or maybe Taco was hungry, and he got paid entirely in dim sum.

  13. Can we end that commercial break? by jopet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article (both the ./ and the original one) are nothing more than an ad.

    Who actually wants this here?

  14. Thermal Performance isn'y that great... by Sargeant+Slaughter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We tested these a few months ago in our lab. Their thermal performance was only mediocre. All the little holes in the aluminium allow back flow into the chassis. That means that hot air just sits inside while the fans circulate air around in a little loop in the back of the chassis. The good ole chenbro gaming bomb did better thermally.

    These are definitely not worth the money, when we got 'enm they were like $200 without a power supply!

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  15. It is official by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Netcraft confirms it. Slashdot is dying "This site has ceased to be amusing," says one time Slashdot fanatic Walter Smith. "Something that used to be fun is now about as lively as a funeral. In the past, one could come here for sometimes informative articles, and always amusing mirth-filled comments in the discussion section. Now, anything remotely funny just gets modded down as troll, and one of the world's best venues for amateur comedy is gone." "The sometimes off-color an angry banter back and forth between trolls and the newbies who fed them was a great source of amusement," he went on to add, "but has up and died, much like Stephen King or Marlon Wayans, and what a shame! Now, it is too dull to even hold my attention for two minutes. Slashdot will be sorely missed." It is official. Slashdot it dead.

  16. AC? My ass by Maxwell'sSilverLART · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anonymous coward? But TFA said it was by Sal Cangeloso, and since it's taken verbatim, I'd say it's probably reasonable to ascribe this to him.

    Hey, you know what'd be really cool? If we had somebody who could read the stories, and decide which ones are valid news stories, and which are just advertisements. We could call the process "editing," or somesuch.

    If we really wanted to go overboard, we could make him check the spelling and grammar of submissions, and possibly even see if the same story was reported the previous day. But that's probably just crazy talk.

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  17. To xyzcomputing: by arhines · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are going to submit an article from your own website, at least have the balls to say it like it is and submit it as yourself. There's a reason it says "Anonymous Coward". To slashdot editors: Please stop accepting every article submitted by this and other small sites. If they come up with something innovative or have an exclusive review of something new, post it. Otherwise, let the RSS newsfeeds at anandtech/hardocp/etc handle this crap.

  18. Boycott misleading sites by obarthelemy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Shouldn't we boycott sites that have those "false windows error message"-type ads ?

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    1. Re:Boycott misleading sites by Russellkhan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, we should boycott viewing the ads. I find Firefox's adblock extension to be very effective for this.

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  19. Not to mention... by Apotsy · · Score: 3, Funny

    He's got a pube sitting on top of it in this picture. Guy needs to lay off the porn.

  20. Re:This is not a great case... by LurkerXXX · · Score: 5, Informative
    Dear Anonymous troll, THIS is the CoolerMaster Stacker. I have one.

    The Lian Li case allows you to fit 5 hard drives, a floppy and 4 CD/DVD drives all at the same time and doesn't make you give up one of your 120 MM fans to do it. The Coolermaster case allows you to fit 2 hard drives and a floppy IF you give up one 120 MM fan and turn your case into a component cooker.

    The Coolermaster allows you to fit up to *12* hard drives plus a floppy, plus a CD/DVD. That's with ALL fans, including the optional ones, in place.

    The Lian Li case has better ventilation. Coolermaster gives you the option to install more noise generating 80MM fans.

    The Lian Li case does not have better airflow than the Stacker. Impossible. I bought the optional fans for up front. They are nice slow quiet 120mm fans, not 20mm fans. That's 3 120mm fans up front. A wall of air moves through the case. It keeps everything cool. Plus one more 120 fan in the back, plus optional ones for the top and side. Plus there is even a optional fan you can buy that blows along the entire length of the motherboard. You pretty much can't find a case that can get more air flowing through it.

    The Lian LI case is BTX and sectioned into three thermal zones. Coolermaster uses outdated ATX standard and is one giant component cooker.

    The Stacker comes with all the parts to allow you to set up your case in either ATX or BTX format. You can switch back and forth between configurations if you buy a new motherboard of the other type.

    Lian Li places the power supply at the bottom with its own separate cool air supply. Cooler Master places the power supply at the top where it will suck in heated processor air garunteeing worse power efficiency and more noise due to the fan having to spin up to cope with increased heat. ATX sucks

    The Stacker allows you to put the power supply at the bottom of the case, or the top, or install two power supplies, one in each location, so that you can run two quieter power supplies rather than one large noisy one.

    Basically, you don't know what the hell your talking about.

  21. Re:This is not a great case... by hirschma · · Score: 2, Informative

    Troll is stupid, doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

    I have a CM Stacker. It has 11 free 5.25" bays. I put 3->5 drive cages in it, and now have 10 hard drives in 6 bays of space. That, plus a DVD, and I have five full size bays left to go.

    Others have answered his other stupid points, but the Stacker is a great case, and a cheap way to build a storage server.

    jh

  22. When did aluminum cases die? by Ars-Gonzo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Disclaimer: I am the editor in chief of Maximum PC magazine, so my opinion on things like this isn't unbiased.

    The aluminum case is not, and has never been dead.

    We've reviewed a steady stream of aluminum cases at Maximum PC over the last four years.

    To even suggest that is idiotic. I could almost see posting this if it was a roundup of a bunch of the new aluminum cases, but we reviewed this case in the magazine last year.

  23. Holes on bottom: Poor Airflow by HockeyPuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok, so the case has fan on the front and the back, so you have a tunnel or horizontal chimney effect for the airflow. One full pulls air (say from the front) of the case, and the other blows it out the back.

    For outlet fan (the rear one) to be effective, the case should be airtight with the exception of the inlet fan. This way the air moves in one direction only.

    Having holes on the bottom poses a problem for the outlet fan, it can actually pull air from the holes in the bottom of the case and blow it out the back. The air may not even go over the intended equipment. Since the air can be pulled from the bottom, the hotter air from the inlet fan (front) may circulate in the case, be pushed out the bottom or go out the back.

    The whole system would not be as effective if you plugged up the bottom holes and had a high volume of air going in the front and out the back.

    -Puck=> .

  24. Re:XYZ... by Johnboi+Waltune · · Score: 2, Informative
    The link is to a case review written by an employee of the manufacturer!

    By: Sal Cangeloso
    Lian-Li.com

    I'd say that's fairly relevant, and makes the 'article' not worth reading.

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  25. Re:Magnesium Cubes by moonbender · · Score: 2

    Stick to steel. Aluminum looks snazzy, but steel cases are typically less prone to vibration noise (because they're way more heavy). And I say that having bought a Lian Li case - I still think it looks great, but I shouldn't have bought it anyway.

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