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Tivo Testing Internet Download Service
knarfling writes "Yahoo News writes that customers will soon be able to download TV shows to their set-top boxes via the Internet. There is even speculation about being able to download an entire season at a time. Right now there are only three shows from the Independent Film Channel available on Aug 19, but it is a start. Will other companies follow this lead, or will this die down after the hype is over?"
iTunes for television shows? This is the next logic step. And, because of this, the viewer isn't forced-fed the shows the networks choose. Maybe this means that excellent shows like futurama will not get canceled just because the network doesn't want to pay for them.
Slashdot, fix your code or at least hire someone who is competent at it to do it for you.
It's certainly an interesting concept but i'd like to see what savings are passed on as a result. I've seen too many services like this charge more or the same for something you could buy on DVD.
and if it's free there'd have to be ads. I suppose it would be nice to get an entire season of a show I want to watch rather than have to wait weeks. But then the producers would have to increase the release schedule's.
I just don't see it working.
Have you metaroderated recently?
bt takes searching for a bit for a tracker with a quality rip, and means you have to deal with resource hogging apps.
Mythtv means I have to build my own, which is fine, but also has a bit of a complicated setup, along with maintenance.
Tivo on the other hand looks low maintenance. Being able to add drives and transfer to my linux/mac/windows boxes and burn to dvd is my biggest concern with Tivo currently. If they give me shows before they air, then I'd be thrilled and more than willing to purchase a boxtop from the company. Being able to watch stargate before the air date (friday is night out night) and house on some other night would be great.
I read the Tivo community site from time to time. It's a comminuty which Tivo allows some employees to participate in. There were some rumblings from an employee of a super secret beta test a few weeks ago... and he was looking for beta testers. Perhaps this was it.
PCWorld did an article on how to do it... But there's also free software out there if you look. I use media hopper for spanish... There's OHUK you wanna learn british
I've always been surprised by the fact that most TV networks never allowed consumers to download content. I was especially confused when the cable modem became prominent. We're already watching your shows over cable; why not let us keep them on our computers?
I am scientifically inaccurate.
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also google video gives you access to some fox newscasts.
my point is that you don't tivo for this.
ps: because of my xbox, i basically have The Daily Show with Jon Stewart tivo'd through the internet
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I've been reading too much Best of the Web, I think, because I initially read the headline and thought "Do you download the entire Internet, or just part of it?"
Yes!
http://www.akimbo.com/
Can I get an eye poke?
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The article suggests that the service will not survive if it cannot present a better financial prospect to the big dogs in the game who are earning more money with the current commercial driven market. History in capitalism denotes a different reality however. The success of the service will depend on whether the big dogs are threatened by delivery of services by companies who are willing to accept a lesser profit. This is how capitalism is supposed to work. Introducing a better technology that people want for less money. They use ESPN as an example as to why it would fail unless they can generate more dollars to attract players like ESPN. When a sports delivery service, that cannot reach the audience they they want, is willing to earn a smaller profit signs on with this and people get the information they want from the smaller service, ESPN will start to feel some real pain as their market share dwindles. They would then be the ones to be forced to adopt the new delivery service, despite the lower profits, to survive themselves. The only power ESPN has in this case is to try to keep people paying the higher fees by intimidation and doom casting at Tivo and the likes. In the long run ESPN wand their buddies may very well be forced to play the cheaper game we as consumers actually want. ESPN and other large commercial driven providers are not goig to buy in. We as consumers have to send the message that 'homey don't play that no more'
... that says this never happens, or, at least not from Tivo.
I love Tivo, and have two of them myself, but I really think they need to release some of ther other "this is being tested" stuff first. Case in point, HDTivo(promised 2002 or 2003, I can't even remember.) Networking on the DirecTivo, promised for years...
Tivo still makes the best DVR, but they never release anything new, fully featured. They even caved on the home media vision, buckling to the MPAA. This may eventually be released, but it wont be from Tivo and it won't be as good as it could be.
Tivo rules, i just wish they really would for a change.
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I would rather pay for a service, to get a TV show when I want it, rather than waiting for a certain time for my TIVO to record it so I can watch it later. Let the downloading begin.
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It would be nice if they put some of their resources into fixing problems with Tivo2Go that make it almost useless instead of new features:h p?t=228168&page=2&pp=30
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.p
Who cares about downloading their TV crap-o-rama? I want to upload my own reality show crap-o-rama! SHAZAM!
... reruns.
LOL! I'll be sure to make time between my downloads of The Charlie Rose Show to watch it.
Seriously, I'm waiting for Slashdot The Teevee Show. We can download dupes and pretend they're just
Because if they let you keep it on your computer, you can share it from your computer. You can also edit out commercials and otherwise modify it.
The production studios don't want that. They want to have complete control over when, where, and how you watch everything. They don't believe in "fair use;" they want every penny they can scrape away from you for even thinking about their show. That's why technologies such as filesharing are so scary--it takes the control away from the studios and gives it to the consumers (albeit mostly illegally, thanks to big-time corporate avarice leading to the systematic undermining of consumers' legal rights).
I wish that someone would come up with the idea of "open source television," where programming is produced for free consumption and distribution, and financed by donations or additional fee-based services. You know, art for art's sake and all? Universities should do something like that.
I really *tried* to be a big Tivo fan. And heck, the concept is darn good overall. But I went back to my home-brew MythTV box for a while.
... Tivo has far too slow of a network connection for such things as downloading live programming from the net! I couldn't ever get it to find my wi-fi 802.11g USB interfaces. Had to settle for an old Linksys wireless b interface, and it takes almost 45-50 minutes to download a single movie from it to my PC using "Tivo2Go". The same xfer would take only 5-6 minutes between 2 PCs on my LAN over my 100mbit ethernet connection. Why in the world didn't these boxes come with wired 10/100 ethernet RJ-45 ports on them? At least in their later revisions....
For starters, my Series 2 stand-alone Tivo suddenly died on me. It was fine one night, and the next day I turned on my TV to see a black screen with a line of text at the top that simply said "Unexpected CPU Detected!". (Huh? What CPU *were* you expecting anyway??) A couple reboots didn't fix a thing. Just got the intial couple splash screens followed by the black screen and odd message. I can only assume the CPU went bad in it?
Being out of warranty, I have to pay Tivo $79 to swap it for another unit. (Irritating, too, because plenty of people would sell me a used/working Series 2 Tivo for much less - but then my lifetime channel subscription would be lost, since they tie those to the *box*.)
But beyond all that
I have been telling all my friends to short Tivo stock for some time now. There are several reasons:
1. Direct TV will drop Tivo eventually (they announced last week), Tivo loses majority of its subscriber base.
2. There are new competing products, with more functionality, cheaper pricing, and innovative download and subscription services coming out on the market very soon. Will make Tivo look like a silly and overpriced product.
3. Integration and convergence of devices. Look at Xbox 360, PS3, etc. And just wait until your brand new LCD or Plasma TV has built in digital video recorder, and allows you to download or stream movies, music, and alternative content from your PC AND direct from the internet.
4. Tivo won't get mainstream content. The studios hate them! The entire internet delivered audio / video services will change very rapidly over the next 2 years, don't expect Tivo to be a part of it! It just threatens the Tivo business model, and they are not invited.
5. iPod for the living room is coming, including video.
the list goes on and on and on............
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I am a Tivo subscriber, and I also receive the "Tivo Newsletter." In the most recent edition, which was sent last week, the following information was included:
But again, as I so boldly teased at the start of this Q&A, that's just the beginning! This fall, we'll be introducing a host of fun, creative, useful and just plain clever broadband features, including:
* Getting select TV shows and programming via broadband to your TiVo® box (Begging
does not become you... I will tell you more when I can!)
* Games, streaming radio, podcasting, and more.
Thus, it appears that they're slating to release it sometime this fall.
TV shows--yes OMG even complete series!!!!--have been available over the net for years:
http://www.thepiratebay.com/
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This is just asking for more DRM and content protection from Hollywood and/or program resellers until we have totally decripled machines everywhere.
I think, it's much safer to just let it be some cheap subscription model and let people watch it on-demand instead of downloading the entire content and have some key to watch it.
The idea is nice, but I know where this is going, and I don't like it. I think, we should do whatever to discourage Hollywood/resellers from growing brain from already tiny head.
"Don't let fools fool you. They are the clever ones."
Tivo could easily start buying up cheap movies and old series for cheap and start offering them. By doing that and buying discontinued tv series they could start to build an on-demand catalogue that would justify non-cable people shelling out for a cheap tivo. I think once they had a sustainable group doing that they could start getting more current content.
I do security
You can also use TiVo to Go with the Orb free streaming system. Just go to this site to download an add-on to Orb that lets you stream out your TiVo files anywhere you can access http://my.org.com./ You can stream as Windows Media, Real Video or 3G if you're feeling like streaming TiVo to your cell phones. Kinda like a slingbox, but free.
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As a subscriber to what was once considered normal cable I have to ask "how much?" I have a tv card/PVR for recording shows when I'm not home and when I may want to watch them again. I think that makes it legal under fair use because I did the recording myself. There claims that it's slightly less than legal if you're not physically(external drive/DVD-R) obtaining(borrowing) the episodes from someone you know. All the 'on demand' extras have been more expensive than I want to pay and have never bothered to check into it much but it seems to be paying for a subscription to have access to a larger selection of pay-per-view shows. Seems a lot like having to pay at least twice. It's about time they realize that anyone who was going to "pirate" is already doing so, Arrrrg!, and just offer a reasonable price to try to coerce the casual/ non-eye patch wearing "pirates" Yes, This looks just like another corportaion's scheme to squeeze every last penny out of their loyal customers who they see as their mindless herd of cash cows.
Ok, not mindless, just being taking advantage of because they don't know they're being charged a probably very high subscription fee for a DVR/PVR they can purchase as stand-alone hardware.
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"my point is that you don't tivo for this."
That's sort of like saying "I moved across the street from where I work, therefore nobody actually needs to own a car."
There are a LOT of things not on that list of yours that a lot of people are quite happily watching on their TiVo's right now. It's a pity you can't edit your post to say "Here's an alternative to TiVo, it's up to you if it's good enough."
"Derp de derp."
2. There are no products available right now that even come close to what the Tivo offers. The highly touted MOXI box has fallen fla with broken season passes and terrible analogue recording, and the other built-it yourself kits use the absolute worst TV Guide data i've ever seen. Sure, eventually someone might make a product as good, but for right now, it's like the iPod. It does one thing, and it does it well enough to stay on top.
3. No one likes integration. Industry has proven that people simply dont like it if their built-in DVD player dies, they have to send their entire TV/VCR in for repairs along with it. Seperare components have been, and will always be top choice for consumers.
4. Tivo has always had mainstream content. They have had movie previews and trailers from every major film maker on their boxes. The studios are just realising how important broadband could be to them. You only need to look at the success of BSG for evidence of this. Now the studios just need to capitalize on it, and Tivo will be an excellent outlet for this.
5. Tivo IS the iPod of the living room. Has been for the past 6 years. Where have you been?