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New, Faster Attack against SHA-1 Revealed

VxSote writes "According to Bruce Schneier's blog, a team of Chinese cryptographers has announced new results against SHA-1 that speed up the time required to find collisions compared to their previously published attack. Schneier says that a SHA-1 collision search is now 'squarely in the realm of feasibility,' and that further improvements are expected."

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  1. Few Details? No report? No paper? by hoka · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean, I'm sure that these guys are the real thing, judging by their past experience breaking SHA-1 and how much notoriety they have. But they have been inconsistent with presenting information. It would be nice to see something thats really solid with information rather than what looks at best like a bit of speculation. Last I checked information on their last attack (2^69) was still pretty thin and I suppose its time to move on to SHA-256 anyways.

  2. Re:It's an insurmountable problem. by Krach42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, the method for "DNA-printing" a file would have to allow for the complete recreation of the file from the DNA-printing.

    This has been actually done for a long time, it's called "file compression".

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  3. Re:Two questions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think that the greatest threat in this case is not terrorists but the institutions such as government and security forces. Terrorists have a great interest in keeping their own transmissions secure but little interest in the communications of others.

    Their tagets are soft, security is fairly low and information can be obtained using people on the street.

    Counterintelligence is a game played by large beauracracies who are at peace at the moment but would really like not to be. It involves the use of large ammounts of resources for the main purpose of maintaining the status quo. Terrorists are not interested in the status quo, they want things to change.

  4. Anonymous "team of Chinese cryptographers" by clap_hands · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Have you ever noticed how you never hear the names of these Chinese researchers...Professor Xiaoyun Wang and her colleagues (for SHA-1, Yiqun Lisa Yin and Hongbo Yu) have broken the greater share of the popular hash functions: MD4, MD5, SHA-0, SHA-1, RIPEMD...and the only name that gets mentioned is "Bruce Schneier reports that Chinese cryptographers...". Not to belittle Schneier, but what these anonymous "Chinese cryptographers" have achieved is exceedingly significant in the field of cryptography, and the least we can do is mention their names occasionally, right?

    Even if they are unpronouncable ;-)

    1. Re:Anonymous "team of Chinese cryptographers" by bigberk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      NO! They're merely Chinese. Foreigners are scary. USA is home to innovation and research. Dark people should be shot 5 times in the head. etc. The sarcasm is deliberate!

  5. Re:RFC4109 by SquadBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It does have implications for IPsec but the main question you are starting from the wrong place. The first question you should be asking youself is "Who is my enemy?". For the sake of this discussion let's assume the worst and go with the NSA.

    The next thing you should be asking yourself is "What am I protecting?" Since we are assuming that the NSA is your enemy let's go ahead and say that you want to blow up rather large and expensive things that the USian .gov would really rather you not blow up.

    And the last factor is "How long do I want to keep this secret?"

    For the sake of argument let's assume that the NSA can do twice as well as any known attack. Given all of that if the answer to the last question is "years" you have something to worry about. If it is months you very likely have something to worry about. If it is "weeks", "days", or "hours" you are very likely safe.

    So yes at some point in the future if you have a long planning horizon it could matter.

    What this all means is that you want to pay attention to all of this but there is no need to panic. At this point SHA1 is still better than MD5 for most things. So use it, pay attention to it, and most of all you might want to evalute what traffic you are passing. I've *always* been against passing secrets over a IPSec tunnel with a lifetime of more than a few months. This is simply because, IMO, IPsec is too complex to ever be safe over a long planning horizon. I'm in pretty damn good company here.

    So pay attention and be ready to change when things change. And they *will* change. And I would not send anything that has a long lifetime over the wire.

    http://www.schneier.com/paper-ipsec.html

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  6. Well that would assume a few things by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    #1) That the NSA has better cryptologists than everyone else. Remember AES was widely reviewed before becomming an accepted standard, and not just by US researchers. Top experts from all over the globe looked at it, an decided it was secure. So for the NSA to know a weakness, means that they have experts beyond all others combined.

    #2) They are very ballsy, and very certian that no one will find those exploits. The US government uses AES for secret and top secret data. It would be amazingly arrogant to know how to crack the crypto, and yet to still use it for the most secure documents.

    #3) They are willing to trust that the authors, two foriegners (Dr. Daemen and Dr. Rijmen are Belgian) were unaware of this exploit. Remember that if an exploit was found, it is always possible the authors knew, and intended that they'd be able to use it.

    It thus seems EXTREMELY unlikely that the NSA would know of a crack for AES and simply be sitting on it. It would put a great deal of incerdibly sensistive government data at risk, as well as US economic intrests.

    No, what seems far more likley is that the US government came to the realization that strong crypto is widely available outside the US, and thus is makes no sense to try and restrict it from the public as it would only serve to give other nations an advantage.

    So no, I don't believe AES is strong because the NSA is strong, though I respect their opinon to a great degree, I believe it's strong because the world cryptography community believes it is.

    To date there have been two proposed attacks. One is called the XSL attack. It's not an actual break, simply something that would in theory make it easier to brute force, but still well out of the realm of possibility. More, the math behind it is suspect, it may not even be workable at all. Then there was teh cache timing attack. It does work, but required a special SSL server that gave out as much timing information as possible, and 200 million known plaintext bytes. Nifty, but not practical in the real world.