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Toshiba 40GB Perpendicular Magnetic Record Drives

freitasm writes "Toshiba is now shipping a 40GB 1.8" hard disk, the first in the industry based on the PMR (Perpendicular Magnetic Recording) technology. The disk stores 40GB in a single platter, and there are plans to release a 80GB version later this year. The first models are already being used on Toshiba's new Gigabeat MP3 players." It's all part of their plan to squeeze more bits onto the head of a pin.

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  1. Obligatory geek link - get perpendicular! by SD_92104 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even though the following is from Hitachi, it is still entertaining (and maybe we can bring down their server too...)

    Get Perpendicular!

    1. Re:Obligatory geek link - get perpendicular! by cnerd2025 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since when did the "Bill" from the old School House Rock become the "Bit"? That has got to be one of the unintentionally funniest things I've seen. It reminds me of Jurassic Park when the tour video introduces "Mr. DNA" or whatever, that explains the process of cloning dinosaurs.

  2. Informative Video by linux_warp · · Score: 4, Funny

    There is a great flash video that explains perpendicular recording, with music no less, at http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_h ead/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html
    produced by Hitachi Global Storage Technologies, for the curious as to how it actually works.

    1. Re:Informative Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is one of the mysteries of slashdot moderation. On occasion, they have been known to moderate four to five essentially identical messages the same way, without even touching the 'Redundant' tag. Nevertheless, we continue to trust them to tell us what is funny and what is not, who is insightful and who is not.

  3. Re:FP and all that jazz by bmeteor · · Score: 3, Informative
  4. Re:Is 40GB the smallest you can buy now? by speeDDemon+(nw) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    40Gb may be common in desktop computers, However a 1.8" drive is NOT common in desktop computers.

  5. Faster... by eviltypeguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anyone know what the performance of these "perpendicular" drives will be like compared to today's accepted methods?

    1. Re:Faster... by qbwiz · · Score: 5, Informative

      The areal density will be greater, so at the same rotational velocity the peak data transer rate should be around 1.15 ( sqrt(133/100) ) times as high as before. Seek times might also be reduced (for the same amount of data on the disk), but when both drives are full, I think the seek times would both be the same.

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    2. Re:Faster... by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 5, Funny
      Anyone know what the performance of these "perpendicular" drives will be like compared to today's accepted methods?
      When I had a perpendicular drive installed in my current mp3 player (at significant expense I might add), I immediately noticed it produced a richer, warmer tone with better bass response and aural clarity. There was some fading off in the midrange, but overall a very satisfactory listening expierence.

      Oh, wait...
    3. Re:Faster... by ashitaka · · Score: 2, Funny

      Coloring around the outside of the case in green highlighter will fix the midrange.

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  6. 40GB? by dal20402 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This isn't big news until they're using this technology on drives with more than one platter... I want my 120GB MP3 player, dammit.

    But I know we'll be hearing about it here on /. when we get perpendicular 3.5" drives. OMG 1.5TB pr0n!!1

    1. Re:40GB? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Informative

      This isn't big news until they're using this technology on drives with more than one platter... I want my 120GB MP3 player, dammit.

      You can probably get that by buying a clunky-large brick of a player that uses the 2.5" laptop drives, such as the full sized Nomad Zen. Then you swap out the drive with the new 120GB laptop drives.

    2. Re:40GB? by kesuki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      who says 30/MB second? that's the data rate of the 1.8 inch drive. i'm going to assume that a full 3.5 inch should be able to sustain 200-400 MB/sec depending on platter rotation. (200 MB/sec for 5400 rpm, and 400 MB/sec for 10k rpm) this is of course, only applicable for platters that have 10x the arial density, hitachi is currently only planning a drive that uses 2x the areial density, so it should only be 40-80 MB/second. of course... SATA II can only handle 300 MB/sec for all SATA 2 devices connected, and the sata Spec was only engineered around a theoretical peak of 600 MB/sec... and then you have the limitations of the FSB etc etc..

      the reason why they're going 'slow' with the perpendicular technology is because well, they've been stuck at 100GB/platter for a loong time now and they want a good 5 step 10-30 year migration to the full 1 tb/platter configuration. so they can 'keep the upgrade cycle' going. fortunately, we already have UHDV taking a good 3.5 TB per 18 minutes so those 5 TB drives will be sure to be made obsolete whenever 400 TB (40 hours UHDV) rewriteable multi layer holographic media is designed for hard drive use (ie: near instant random data seek, multi point lasers to acheive HD comperable data thruput rates etc.)

    3. Re:40GB? by dj245 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ha. Its not the interfaces nor the drive density thats holding the speed back, its the head mechanisms. Drives today can't even fill ATA100 let alone SATA I (or II). Find me a single drive that can sustain 70mb/s and I'll eat my hat.

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    4. Re:40GB? by bmeteor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      well this is pretty short sighted. History has shown that the arts advance with every technological advancement. Certainly we'll need 120 gb of data when we get 5.1 audio for recorded music, even with a lossless compression format. I'm sure working dj's who are using Flac would need that much space to hold a selection of their library at least for one night.

  7. article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The MK4007GAL HDD 1.8-inch HDD packs 40GB on a single platter - the largest single-platter capacity yet achieved in the 1.8-inch form factor. This breakthrough technology sets new benchmarks for data density with the highest areal density currently on the market at 206 megabits per square millimeter (133 gigabits per square inch). The 1.8-inch PMR HDD is now shipping in Toshiba's new Gigabeat F41, enabling the MP3 player to store up to 10,000 songs.

    "Toshiba has started an exciting new frontier for the HDD industry by leading the race to achieve this revolutionary technology, which has been the industry's aim for more than 20 years," said Scott Maccabe, vice president, Toshiba Storage Device Division. "PMR opens the door to products we haven't even begun to imagine, by removing the technical barriers inherent to packing more data on an HDD. Providing greater storage capacity on mobile disk drives allows Toshiba to give system OEMs the tools they need for next-generation digital information and entertainment devices."

    Toshiba recently announced acquisition of a design center in Fremont, Calif., to help U.S.-based engineers and OEMs create new products using platforms such as PMR to span beyond the limits of today's conventional digital products. The 1.8-inch HDD form factor has been a critical component for consumer electronics products from MP3 players to handheld GPS systems and ultra-portable PCs. To date, Toshiba has shipped more than 14 million 1.8-inch HDDs since its introduction in mid-2000. The addition of PMR technology will increase capacity options for product designs beyond those currently on the market today, especially as Toshiba introduces an 80GB 1.8-inch HDD with PMR later this year.

    PMR: The Technology Achievement
    Toshiba is the first company in the storage industry to commercialize PMR, providing unsurpassed recording density and high operating reliability on its 1.8-inch HDD platform. The technology is based on a new magnetic disk structured to support perpendicular recording, a new high-performance perpendicular magnetic head, and disk and head integration technology that maximizes their combined performance.

    Conventional longitudinal recording stores data on a magnetic disk as microscopic magnet bits aligned in plane. Although advances in magnetic coatings continue to improve data recording densities on HDD, when the densities become too extreme, the magnetic bits repulse each other due to in-plane alignment. Squeezing more bits on to a disk will eventually reach a point in which crowding degrades recorded bit quality. As such, HDD manufacturers face fast-approaching limits on storage capacities.

    By standing the magnetic bits on end, perpendicular recording reinforces magnetic coupling between neighboring bits, achieving higher and more stable recording densities and improved storage capacity.

  8. of course, you didn't hear? by mnemonic_ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yep, it's coming out 2007 May 05. As you know, we Slashdotters are privy to all manner of corporate secrets. Also, we can predict the future. I am sorry that you have not yet discovered these abilities. It is likely that your 800k uid inhibits them somewhat.

  9. That's awesome. by millennial · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've been waiting patiently for this. However, I'd like to see them in standard sizes for IDE or SATA, not just for MP3 players... and what's with the whole "40GB is 10,000 songs" thing? What, are all songs recorded so that they'll be compressed to exactly 4MB now?
    /joke?

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    1. Re:That's awesome. by ciroknight · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's this thing, called an "average" or a "mean", depending where you went to middle school. What we do is add up a bunch of things, then divide by the number we added.

      In this case, we add up the size of a bunch of songs, then divide by precisely the number of songs there are, and we get a number. That number is roughly around 4MB for a typical set of MP3s. So typical, in fact, I wrote a small C/perl program to computer the averages on all of my hard disks, and none of them were off in either direction more than a half a megabyte from 4MB (but then again, I have a vast music selection, and I'm an eclectic listener, YMMV).

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  10. Raid 5 for my laptop when? by tacarat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm thinking that laptop raid would be an excellent use for these. Maybe after some power and space tweaking, a single Raid 5 cartridge could be made in place of the normal hard drive. Since high performance laptops buyers don't seem to mind a little extra bulk/weight, a laptop made to accomodate such a setup might be well accepted by hardware lovers.

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    1. Re:Raid 5 for my laptop when? by adolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Raid 5? In a single unit? Forget the fact that it's in a laptop - the mere notion of a RAID array in a single device is, itself, absurd.

      You get all of the disadvantages of extra mechanical complication, along with none of the advantages (speed[1], or otherwise) of RAID.

      Count me out.

      [1]: See, it sounds like a good theory. But you'll get more speed by just using a single, larger-diameter disc than you will by using several smaller-diameter discs. If RPM is constant, and diameter increases, then so does linear velocity, and thus data rates. Etc, so on, so forth. Unless you're going to be using lots of independant discs, it's not advantageous. Oh, and it's a laptop, which is presumably meant to run on batteries at least some of the time. It's almost always more efficient to run one motor, than it is to run several of them, along with several sets of controller electronics, and several sets of head actuators, and...

    2. Re:Raid 5 for my laptop when? by adolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sane? Certainly not, in the context of Joe Slashdotter, and least of all with a laptop in the mix.

      1+0 is a striped, mirrored array. It's not sane to make it multiple-failure-resistant, because it turns expensive in arrays of a size that Joe Slashdotter is likely to find useful, whereas RAID 5 would be more cost-effective.

      1+5 is very seldom sane at all, even if it is reliable and fast.

      1 is insane for more than a two-drive array, as Joe Slashdotter is obviously more inclined to use RAID 5 and enjoy the increase in available space availed by having 3 or more similar discs and parity redundancy instead of literal redundancy.

      Thanks for playing, Jeff. Let me know when you come back to reality.

  11. Re:Is 40GB the smallest you can buy now? by Eightyford · · Score: 2, Funny

    Easy, killer.

  12. Re:FP and all that jazz by freitasm · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is working for me... I think it was just the initial load on the server.

  13. Recording method not important by davidwr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    99% of people don't care about the recording method. All they care about are things like price, size, performance, and other characteristics like noise, heat, etc.

    Give me small, dense, long-lasting, zillions of read/write cycles, low heat/energy, fast, compatible with existing equipment or cheap adapter card, etc. etc. and I won't care if it's flat, perpendicular, or shaped like a three-dimensional pretzel, er, I mean a protien.

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    1. Re:Recording method not important by slavemowgli · · Score: 2, Insightful

      99% of people also don't read Slashdot. This is News for Nerds, after all...

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  14. perpendicular magnetic recording- Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
  15. Re:Magnetic Media by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is great and all, but I kind of hope that we reach the limit for magnetic hard disks soon so we're forced to come up with a better replacement. Magnetic storage is way too slow.

    I really don't think you understand, it is all about trade-offs. Magnetic is the best there is for capacity and cost, unless you think you can afford a 500GB flash drive. Actually, I think Flash drives might have much lower latency, but the best I've seen has a tenth the peak transfer rate of the fastest hard drive.

  16. Re:Is 40GB the smallest you can buy now? by MsGeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    The ThinkPad X-series uses 1.8" drives to cut down on weight and size.

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  17. Re:Is 40GB the smallest you can buy now? by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Informative
    It's no longer feasible for a company to bother producing a 3.5" HD smaller than 40GB any more. At a certain point, it doens't get any cheaper to make a hard drive regardless of the amount of memory you put on it. A company could probably produce a 8 MB HD if they really wanted to, but it really wouldn't be much cheaper for them to do than a 40 GB hard drive.

    In fact, it would almost certainly cost more if they tried to make a hard drive that had exactly 8 MB of space and no more because the parts for it are no longer mass produced. The easiest way would be to make a 40 GB hard drive and seal off everything after the first 8 MB. Of course who in the hell wants a 8 MB hard drive anyhow?

    If you're an Apple person, then you're already likely seeing 120 GB drives as standard if you own an iMac or one of their other top tier computers. The same is probably true if you buy a gaming rig from Alienware or some other company that specializes in high performance computers.

    As technology progresses to the point where it's easy and cheap to cram 120 GB into a hard drive then they will become more standard as we pave way towards bigger and bigger drives. Do most people really need 120 GB hard drive? Not really, in my opinion, but it'll be nice for the Google's of the world who want to give us 2 GB of inbox space.

    Of course, people will continue to become more tech savvy and start to put more digital photographs and eventually videos on their computers. 40 GB can hold a lot of pictures, but 120 GB is better suited for having a lot of video content stored on your hard drive.

    In 10 years we'll likely be measuring drive sizes in TB instead of GB, laughing about the days when computers only came with 40 GB HDs and single core processors, kind of like how we laugh about how computers from the 80's had HDs that measured in MBs and RAM that measued in KB!

  18. Perpendicular Magnetic Recording Bible by adamdewolf · · Score: 5, Informative
    If you really want to know more about this tech,
    I found this book earlier in the year.
    It's pretty much the Bible for perpendicular magnetic.

    Gets really in-depth.

    Perpendicular Magnetic Recording
    by Sakhrat Khizroev, Dmitri Litvinov
    "This book is intended for graduate students, young engineers and even senior and more experienced researchers in this field who need to acquire adequate knowledge of the physics of perpendicular magnetic recording in order to further develop the field of perpendicular recording."
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  19. HDs with two sets of heads? by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A thought I've had in the past, which I was reminded of looking at the low RPM of this drive:

    Why not make drives with two sets of heads, 180 degrees apart on the platters? This could double access rates, and seems like it should be fairly cheap. Even if it weren't cheap, some people are prepared pay over twice as much for a 10K rpm rather than 7.2K rpm drive today.

    This seems way too obvious not to have been thought of - so what is the flaw in my reasoning?

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    1. Re:HDs with two sets of heads? by Detritus · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's been done in the past, and it isn't cost-effective. You need two positioners, two head assemblies, two read channel amps, two servo channels, and a faster and more complex controller. There are cheaper ways to improve speed.

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    2. Re:HDs with two sets of heads? by jcr · · Score: 2, Interesting



      And you've also chosen space over speed.

      -jcr

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    3. Re:HDs with two sets of heads? by Rick.C · · Score: 2, Interesting
      This has been done in the past, perhaps the IBM 3380 (early 1980s) was the first, perhaps not.

      The question you have to ask is: how will the two acctuators work together? Option #1 is to have head-1 cover the outer tracks and head-2 cover the inner tracks. This leads to improved seek times (average seek time is halved, but track-to-track seek is unchanged), but does not improve rotational delay.

      Option #2 would be to have each head cover all the tracks, cutting the rotational delay is half, but leaving average seek times unchanged. This would also require that both heads be able to track each other's data. They would have to be aligned very precisely to each other.

      IIRC, the IBM 3380 used option #1.

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  20. Lossless! by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And every byte [of the 120 MB hard drive in a music player] is in legal, bought-and-paid-for music, right?

    "Legal"? Remember that a CD in FLAC or Apple Lossless format is about 0.3 GB. It's not unheard of for somebody who's been collecting CDs since 1985 to own 400 CDs, especially if the collector has been hitting the pawn shops, garage sales, thrift stores, and half.com. Do the math. And as for "bought-and-paid-for", you're referring to the legislators who work on copyright law, right?

    1. Re:Lossless! by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good point, big enough drive you could put the 1000 albums of whatever of MP3s in a nicer format. At 500 MB an album, fills up pretty fast!

  21. 5mm high by TummyX · · Score: 4, Informative

    What's important is that these drives are single platter 1.8" drives. 40GB and 60GB 1.8" drives have been around for a while but they're double platter and are about 9mm high.

    These drives would be great upgrades to tablets like the NEC Litepad.

  22. Re:can't wait for the 1TB 3.5 inch version to arri by matt21811 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is posible to make an educated guess on this.

    The density of transistors has been doubling about every 18 months since 1997, in the storage industry, density has been doubling every 12 months.

    So,
    8/05 - 400 GB - which is close to the largest 3.5" drives you can get at the moment
    8/06 - 800 GB
    8/07 - 1600 GB

    So you could, quite reasonably, estmate that 1 TB 3.5" drives will be around early 2007.

  23. Re:1.8-inch form factor by jim_deane · · Score: 3, Funny


    SI units? You want us to use SI units?

    But we were just getting warmed up to Metric!

  24. Re:Is 40GB the smallest you can buy now? by corsec67 · · Score: 2, Informative

    That wouldn't help you if the any of the motors died, since all of the heads are actuated togeather.

    Also, if you get dust in the disk, all of the platters would be ruined in short order.

    I do have a disk that has one failed hard drive platter, but I don't trust any of the other platters. (I store /usr/portage on the platter that works.)

    Aside from that drive, which I think is quite rare, most hard drive failures take out the whole drive.

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  25. Re:can't wait for the 1TB 3.5 inch version to arri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hiatachi has 500 GB 3.5 inch SATA drives out right now.

  26. Re:1.8-inch form factor by kf6auf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Adding might be kinda weird, but dividing is actually much easier in base-12 than in base-10. For example, base-12 can be easily divided into 2,3,4, and 6 while base-10 can only be divided into 2 and 5. Now, if only we could all grow another finger and then revise our number system and have a superior metric system.

    But in the meantime, I will be using cgs/mks/etc for work (Physics) and English for driving, cooking, and so on. Before I start using some form of metric for everyday activities, companies need to sell goods with metric measurements. Until that happens it's not going to change.

  27. Re:Informative Video!!!! by UpLateDrinkingCoffee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "great flash video" totally undersells it.. this is easily the most entertaining thing I've seen from a technology company. If you grew up in the 80's watching Schoohouse Rock, you will totally love it. Check it out.

  28. Re:Is 40GB the smallest you can buy now? by fredistheking · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Western Digital still makes 8GB drives for XBOX. These are really 20GB platters that have been short stroked to 8GB since microsoft wants uniformity. In reality these are 80GB platters that didn't make it. Western Digital doesn't produce any drives with less than 80GB platters now. All the 80GBs that you find commonly in Dells are single platter.

  29. Re:Is 40GB the smallest you can buy now? by shmlco · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Do most people really need 120 GB hard drive? Not really..."

    Speak for yourself. Every time I go out shooing my digital camera I come back with a couple of 1GB flash cards full of photos. Doesn't take many trips to completely and totally fill a 120GB drive...

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  30. Big Blue Shift by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How come Toshiba and Hitachi can make profits on the HD biz, but IBM couldn't?

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  31. Re:Is 40GB the smallest you can buy now? by vikks · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just a side note: I recompress all taken .jpg pictures to 50% quality. Distortion is acceptable for me (difference is only notable in at least 200% zoom) and size goes down about 5 to 10 times. Really saves quite a lot disk space. I even wrote program to automate this compression process.
    As for mp3's - my collection grows slower and slower and by now takes about 40G. Only video data can (over-)fill 160+G hdd for average user.

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  32. Re:Is 40GB the smallest you can buy now? by periol · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course, people will continue to become more tech savvy and start to put more digital photographs and eventually videos on their computers. 40 GB can hold a lot of pictures, but 120 GB is better suited for having a lot of video content stored on your hard drive.

    You're missing the market for these. One hour of recording high-definition television is approximately 10 GB of data. A 300 GB drive only gets you 30 hours of recorded television. I really believe that we're going to be moving towards a stronger split in computer systems, with some marketed as entertainment hubs (in whatever form) and others marketed for utility. In that world, 100 hours of high-def home videos consumes a TB.

    We'll want bigger hard drives.

  33. 2.88 Floppy Diskettes by atcurtis · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Correct me if I am wrong....

    but didn't the short-lived 2.88Mb 3.5" floppies use perpendicular recording?

    (For those too young to remember, in the 1990s, IBM shipped many of their PS/2 machines with 2.88 floppy drives - unfortunately the media was too expensive, more expensive than 2 standard "High Density" 1.44 diskettes - the drives were very expensive, the heads had to support the perpendicular recording mode as well as standard - also IIRC standard controllers and BIOS couldn't support the higher capacity drives. IBM even tried to boost awareness of the newer format by imprinting a tiny "2.88" on to the blue eject buttons)

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    1. Re:2.88 Floppy Diskettes by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yep.. and guess who created the 2.88 floppy?

      None other than Toshiba.

      I'm not sure about the BIOS, but you're correct regarding the controller. PCGuide says the 500Kbit limitation of existing floppy controllers was insufficient; the 2.88 floppies required a 1Mbit transfer rate. I'm not sure why the drives couldn't be slowed down for the sake of compatibility though. Seems easy enough to throw a jumper on there to toggle 500Kbit/1Mbit transfer rates, but I'm no EE.

  34. Re:Is 40GB the smallest you can buy now? by adam1101 · · Score: 3, Informative

    > The ThinkPad X-series uses 1.8" drives to cut down on weight and size.

    Specifically the X40 series, the X30 series still use 2.5" drives, which are bigger but have many advantages. They're much faster, bigger, cheaper, and most importantly, there is competition from different manufacturers (Hitachi, Toshiba, Seagate, WD, Samsung, Fujitsu, all interchangable). With 1.8" drives you're basically stuck with one manufacturer for a given laptop.

    There are only two 1.8" HD manufacturers, Toshiba and Hitachi, and they use incompatible connectors. The Toshiba looks like a shrunken 2.5" drive, while Hitachi uses the same connector from the 2.5" drive mounted on the side of the drive. The IBM X40 uses the Hitachi connector, while Dell uses the Toshiba in the Lattitude X1. I think most ultraportable laptops with 1.8" drives use the Toshiba connector, but as they rarely mention the HD manufacturer, for each model you'd have to find someone who has opened it to find out. Same thing for media players, I'm pretty certain iPods use Toshibas while the Rio Karma has the Hitachi drive. To make matters even more confusing, Hitachi has introduced another incompatible connector for 1.8" drives ("ZIF connector"), which seems to be mainly marketed to media player manufacturers.

  35. Re:can't wait for the 1TB 3.5 inch version to arri by Xorkid · · Score: 2, Insightful
    yes, assuming that 3.5" drives stick with the current "parallel" recording.

    the whole point of TFA is drives moving to a perpendicular recording mech is to increase desity, some say by ten times.

    I'm not a hard drive engineer but one would assume that this tech would increase the amount stored on a drive and distort you timeline slightly.

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  36. Re:only drive that failed by ltbarcly · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm a sysadmin. I have about 2000 HD's going. They fail at a rate of about 1 every week and a half. They also fail in groups of 2 or 3 (possibly temperature driven?). IDE HD's fail much more often than FC, although I have many more (3-4x as many) FC disks than IDE. Whenever the temperature jumps the IDE drives start going haywire.

  37. Re:can't wait for the 1TB 3.5 inch version to arri by SQL+Error · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The density of transistors has been doubling about every 18 months since 1997, in the storage industry, density has been doubling every 12 months.

    This was true between about 1998 and 2002. Then it ran into a wall. (Before 1998, the doubling time for disks was the same as for transistors.)

    250GB three-platter drives appeared in early '02 - albeit at 5400 rpm. Three years later, we are up to 400GB, with 500GB due soon. That's a doubling time of more than three years.

  38. Camp Perpendicular!! by mattshadbolt · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hello all

    Found this little animations about perpendicular hard drives quite funny(although a little disturbing!).

    Slashdot wouldnt submit my story but hopefully you guys will see it!

    http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_h ead/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html

    - matty