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The Tech Used to Catch Vegas Cheats

Black Jack writes "Interesting piece on silicon.com about the technology used in Vegas for catching the cheats. It goes into detail on a number of things from facial recognition and RFID to some CIA-developed systems for background checking staff. Surprised they're so open about what they do! ...or is this just the stuff they admit to?"

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  1. 'cheat' is realative by prgrmr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Catching an employee in the counting room taking his work home with him or a crooked dealer is all well and good, but card counting and varying your bet amount isn't cheating, it's playing shrewdly within the rules. This is where the casinos, IMO, are going over the top with the spying.

    1. Re:'cheat' is realative by dr_dank · · Score: 4, Informative

      Pretty much anything that doesn't make you a loser and part you efficiently from your money is verboten. If they allowed people to win too much, they'd be out of business next week.

      While card counting and strategies like it (by natural means, not counting using a computer or some such gimmick) isn't cheating, they are well within your rights to refuse to offer you a particular game or bar you completely from the premises. Most casinos share this info with each other since it is all within each others best interests to keep these people out, and before long, a cardcounter is persona non grata pretty much everywhere on the strip.

      Check out Bringing Down the House by Ben Mezrich.

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    2. Re:'cheat' is realative by JustAnotherReader · · Score: 5, Informative
      Absolutly true. Consider this:

      If a game is not a game of chance, but a game of skill, then the law does not allow casinos to host that game. So on one hand, casinos want to ban card counters, but on the other hand they don't want to admit that skillfull players can play better than players relying purly on luck. Blackjack brings in a LOT of money for casinos. They want to keep that money stream coming.

  2. Re:Fucking terrorist blackjack card counters! by TheCabal · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, card counting is legal. Casinos don't like you doing it, but they can only ban you from the property.

  3. Card Counting is NOT Cheating!!!! by riptide_dot · · Score: 5, Informative

    FTA:

    On a behavioural level such intelligence could also flag up 'one to watch' - for example a player laying $5 bets while sitting with $100,000 of chips in his or her pocket. This is certainly no cause for concern in its own right but such behaviour would in the past have caught notorious card counters waiting for the odds to fall in their favour or getting their eye in and honing a system.

    While I will agree with the casinos' rights as a business to ask ANYONE to leave their casino for whatever reason, I just want to point out to everyone that card counting is NOT cheating and that people who in engage in card counting are simply using the casino rules and game's strategy to their best advantage. Both Las Vegas and Reno gambling laws state that cheating is defined as manipulating the rules of the game, or using devices to get around the rules of the game, not using the rules to your advantage, thus card counting is not illegal according to Nevada state laws (and many, if not all other state laws as well).

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  4. Re:Making Your Own Tokens by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 4, Informative

    It was the History Channel. Breaking Vegas, Counterfeit King episode.

  5. Re:What about online poker? by BridgeBum · · Score: 3, Informative

    The sites do monitor for abuses like that as best they can. (Checking IPs, etc.) However, there are limits to what you can do in poker anyway. Collusion is possible, but there are also so many tables in play simultaneously that if you suspect there may be collusion going on, you can move to another table very easily.

    I've been playing online for some time now and I haven't noticed anyone cheating. It's been fun and profitable for me. YMMV.

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  6. Re:Not giving much away by servognome · · Score: 3, Informative

    Whatever method is chosen can be easily faked.

    Easily faked, but not necessarily usable. Imagine if each chip had a unique encrypted serial number, and the casino had the ability to track each chip's location and compare to a central database.
    If you duplicated the RFID on a chip, you'd set off alarms, as there would be 2 of the same chip in the casino. If you managed to crack the encryption and create your own unique serial number you'd set off alarms as chips would be in the casino which were not in the database.
    Even a simple system which doesn't need to be aware of all chips in circulation offer great security. Just track the RFID of the chip when it is played to the database of chips in the bank, and in circulation. If the ID is in the bank, or doesn't appear in the database then you know a dupe has been played. Other dupes of the same chip could not be played without setting off alarms until that first chip has exited the bank, which could be a long time (and it would be very difficult for a player to know when or if it happens).

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  7. Re:Who's the cheat? by TheCabal · · Score: 3, Informative

    Uh, no you can't do that. Gaming regs here prevent casinos from doing that. If you advertise a 99% payout on a bank of slots, those slots HAVE to have a 99% payout (mind you, it's over the lifetime of the machine).

    Payout schemes are locked in each machine in the presence of a gaming control agent. They have ways to tell if a machine has been tampered with. Gaming in Vegas is quite on the level- people just forget that a casino won't engage in a game of chance unless it is favored to win.

    And there's plenty of homeless people on the streets here in Vegas, so come on down with your roll of cash...

  8. Re:Aren'te they more worried about employees... by TheCabal · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dealers are watched as much as the patrons are, sometimes more. Dealers stay clean by sticking to procedure- ever wonder why you HAVE to lay money down on the table and spread it instead of handing it directly to a dealer? Wonder why a dealer waves his/hers hands top and bottom when they get tapped out and go off shift?

    You probably haven't been "back of house" in a casino, but there are craploads of security and surveillance where only the employees go.

  9. Re:Who's the cheat? by Coryoth · · Score: 5, Informative

    Who's calling who a cheat? They can change the take percentage on their slot machines from the other side of the country? Not taking enough money and giving away to many winnings? Click the mouse a couple of times and fix that.

    No, they can't. First of all that's illegal, and is tracked. Second the machines simply aren't built to allow that. Slot machine have a locked "theoretical hold" value which is the theoretical long term amount that the machine will retain as a percentage of turnover. It is fixed, tracked and cannot be changed - certainly not at the click of the mouse.

    What a casino can and will do is lay out the machines on the floor with theoretical hold as a consideration. That is, they will endeavour to put a bank of relatively low hold nickel or dime machines near the entrance (not at the entrance mind you, the machine right at the front will be dollar machines or the like: they want casual gamblers wandering by to play the high stake slots) so you get to hear the sound of people winning. The rest of the floor layout is just as carefully designed, taking into account the theoretical hold, popularity of the game type, denomination of the game, quality of the floor space (harder to quantify), and so on to maximise profit. I used to work in the R&D department for a software company that helped casinos do this more effectively, so believe me, I know how exacting they are.

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