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Vietnam Medic Makes Homemade Endoscope

Davian writes "As reported by the BBC a Vietnamese doctor has managed to create an endoscope using an apparatus consisting of lenses and a webcam, linked to a Pentium 4. Total cost of extra hardware - less than $1000." The doctor plans to also assist other local hospitals that are facing similar budgetary contraints.

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  1. Ouch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just hope that this webcam is a little smaller than the one sitting on top of my monitor.

  2. Pah... by gowen · · Score: 5, Funny

    $1000? For all the good that bit of cheap kit is going to do, he might as well shove it up his arse.

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    1. Re:Pah... by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've got some friends in the medical industry, and it's seriously bloated financially - this is probably the same hardware that costs $100,000, but without the label on it. One company I know of who builds X-Ray machines charges $500 for a "specially formatted" floppy disk to be used with their equipment. A floppy disk!! You can make your own by simply using 'dd', but doctors are too dumb to know this. It's not just the patients who get screwed, paying $8 for an asprin - it's the entire industry. This is cool, one definite way to say "shove it up uranus", and have almost identical equipment as you would have paid otherwise.

    2. Re:Pah... by mikael · · Score: 4, Informative

      Part of the cost is caused by the need to take out insurance in case of a malpractice lawsuit, and to carry out usability and safety tests. You don't want to have to liquidate the entire company simply because some technician left his coffee cup on a floppy disk which led to the contents of the disk to be corrupted, leading to a missed diagnosis, and ultimately leading to the untimely death of an octogenarian.

      But a similar thing happened in Iraq. US Marines put together a water well inspection system out of a webcam, a torch, some rope and USB extension cables. Six months later a defence company comes out with the offical "military standard" version at around $100K per unit.

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  3. I can see one way of making it cheaper by vidnet · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Using the Windows operating system, we have programs to record the images and put them in a database of patients."

    That's half the expense right there.

  4. Cool stuff. by Randseed · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Until Windows eats his data. (Sorry. Obligatory bullshit Windows flame.)

    No seriously, this is some cool stuff and it's a creative way to deal with the problem. I'm curious how big the webcam in question is, since the article didn't really say unless I missed it on two read-throughs. (Early in the morning, you see.) Considering that I'm about to go out and do the same thing using $100,000+ in hardware today on a couple of patients, it's really interesting because this thing probably provides pictures that are almost as good, if not just as good.

  5. $30,000 versus $1,000 by torpor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    truth be told, that $30k price-tag is mostly profit for the med-co's currently stiffing american hospitals out of cheap, quality, medical equipment.

    in vietnam they have no such compunction. they don't mind building things which work, for cheap, and not screwing their customers for every last penny they can ..

    i say, great. american medical 'prowess' is propped up by insanely disproportionate profits. i daresay a few public hospitals in detroit could stand to DIY the ol' endoscope too, and save a few bucks for those AIDS drugs they've gotta stock up on in order to be 'qualified' for "Federal Support".

    sheesh. no big surprise that things are cheaper outside of the worlds largest continent full of greedy, selfish pigs ..

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    1. Re:$30,000 versus $1,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      truth be told, that $30k price-tag is mostly profit for the med-co's currently stiffing american hospitals out of cheap, quality, medical equipment.

      I work for an American MRI manufacturer, testing magnets that are sold to hospitals for around $1,000,000 a pop.

      The magnets are labelled "Made in USA" but are in fact only assembled here, using components from China, Mexico, and Burma... very very cheap components. All told, it costs the company less than $10,000 in materials, and around $200,000 in labor and energy to assemble and test each magnet, including liquid helium costs. The FDA would kick up a shitstorm if they knew what we were putting in these supposedly "top quality" devices. But so far, we've only sent in special runs of our systems using premium components for their evaluation.

      Of course, these magnets are barely passing their tests. Some aren't, but we are expected to pass them regardless so our revenue stream keeps flowing in the right direction.

      It should be obvious why I'm posting as an Anonymous Coward. Now you hopefully have an even clearer picture of what the healthcare business is all about. (Hint: It rhymes with funny, but isn't.)

  6. Re:Ehh? by 4nd3r5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    RTFA.. in the beginning he had problems installing programs on the PC, and he had to ask a guy for help... don't you think that it would hinder progress of his project if he had to use linux, and find another guy to help him... im not to sure there are to many tech savy people hanging around a region in vietnam, where they can't afford a 30 k endoscope.

    off topic.. sort of...

    i know a guy who has an endoscope in his attick, thats not beeing used.. isn't this world nice and unfair..

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  7. Where was this when I was networking the house?! by Riddleshome · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This would have be REALLY useful when I networked the house - there were a couple of snags that if I could have seen round the bend... Ah well, what's wrong with a few more holes in the walls...

  8. Re:Ehh? by torpor · · Score: 5, Informative

    read the article. the only thing they 'bought' was the scope itself, which cost $800 .. i'm sure you can read between the lines on that one.

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  9. Sweet Jesus by CleverNickedName · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's one webcam link which will not be slashdotted.

    For once, the goatse trolls may well be on-topic.

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  10. Re:This is what patent law is for by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's the part I've never understanded about the US. On one hand the US is ultra-religious. But on the other hand helping the poor is totaly unamerican (socialism is baaaaaaaad). Now what I don't get is this: is the US hypocritical (a lot of talking, but noone really meaning what they say) or is this a case of a splitten personality? (radical differences in oppinion)
    This isn't meant as flamebait or anti-americanism or something. It's just strange that a society that holds on to religion in so many ways, seems to disagree with a major portion of it.

  11. Not very surprising by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm working in the medical device business, and a large part of our expenses is for stuff like clinical studies, documentation to comply with FDA regulations and such. Also, the relatively low numbers tend to make manufacturing more expensive than for mass-manufactured stuff.

    Last but not least, the market seems to readily accept the high prices manufacturers are demanding. In fact, an ex-colleague told me a story about a surgical instrument that failed in the market because of a too low price. Doctors did not trust that "cheapshit" stuff. After a rebranding and raising of the price, the same instrument did fine in the market. Expect management to happily take advantage of such thinking.

    Overall, I'm not surprised that a professional endoscope costs 30.000, even if something almost (I suspect Dr Nguyen Phuoc Huy made a few compromises in the used materials) equivalent can be built at 1000 in materials.

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  12. Re:This is what patent law is for by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's the part I've never understanded about the US. On one hand the US is ultra-religious. But on the other hand helping the poor is totaly unamerican (socialism is baaaaaaaad). Now what I don't get is this: is the US hypocritical (a lot of talking, but noone really meaning what they say) or is this a case of a splitten personality? (radical differences in oppinion)
    This isn't meant as flamebait or anti-americanism or something. It's just strange that a society that holds on to religion in so many ways, seems to disagree with a major portion of it.


    Part of that is probably the roots of America's predominant religion - US Christianity stems from Puritan and other sects where being poor wasn't a sin but sloth was - hard work was a virtue (which fit in nicely with what was needed to survive in a foreign land)and neighbors helped each other through hard times when luck, not sloth, caused someone to fall onto hard times. Coupled with America's belief that you can triumph through hard work provides an American view of charity - help people get on their feet but don't let them stay on the dole forever - hence work fare vs welfare.

    Americans and America are generally generous people - in the context of how they view charity, which is to say not better or worse, but different.

    As a side note - America's disdain for socialism is rooted in the innate distrust of government and a belief in the "American Dream." American's don't like taxes (ask the English about that)so establishing a broad social net funded by high tax rates is very unlikely.

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  13. Re:This is what patent law is for by matt4077 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm not american but german, but I've spent a lot of time in the US and believe you (and many other europeans) are misunderstanding some of the facts:

    Americans are not opposed to helping the poor on a personal level. In fact, americans spent a lot more (absolute and as % of GDP) on charity than europeans. In my experience, americans also have a culture of doing volunteer work to an extend that doesn't exist in europe. For example, I've seen a complete new school building be built by the student's parents. Some gave money, some gave machines, some did the work.

    What is different is the role of government in charity: while europeans see helping the poor mainly as a job of the state, americans do it themselves. If you look at the financial structure of shelters, soup kitchens but also museums and operas, you'll find that they are mostly financed by governments in europe, while they rely heavily on individual's contributions in the US.

    So it's nearsighted to say that Americans don't want to help the poor. They simply don't want the government involved, want to do it on their own terms and want it to be seen as what it is, namely charity, and not as some god-given right of other people over one's own money.

    Now, this doesn't mean there aren't some seriously crack-smocking right-wing jesus-nuts whose actions and words don't match. But that's another story.

  14. Freud and fixations (was: Re:Cool stuff.) by B747SP · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm curious how big the webcam in question is, since the article didn't really say unless I missed it on two read-throughs.

    Boy, wouldn't Freud have a field day with you lot! I'm of the perception that the webcam stays 'high and dry' on top of the PC (or somewhere else close by) and doesn't go anywhere near your moth^H^H^H^Hbutt. Else why would he be tinkering with optics and buying an $800 probe?

    I'm thinking the endo probe does the dirty work so to speak, and the system of optics that he's come up with makes the other end of the probe play nicely with a common-or-garden webcam.

    Not withstanding that 'endoscopes' can be used on both 'ends', I wanna know why in the picture accompanying TFA, he appears to be shoving the endoscope down the back of the vict^H^H^H^Hpatient's kneck?!

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  15. Need scope, go Airforce by Raindeer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A Dutch F16 technician ones showed me the boroscope they were using to check the insides of the engine. He told me that a couple of weeks before a surgeon of the local hospital had been cursing when he saw the scope. The surgeon had been requesting a boroscope for three years already and couldn't get the funds allocated and here the local AFB had a couple on hand.

  16. Gives new meaning... by havaloc · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...to Intel Inside.

  17. Re:a little more then that by Xoro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A nice, insightful parent post and you spin it back into a tedious little morality play. I knew it was too good to last.

    Regarding porn, I remind you that there is more than one American and if one person loves Jesus while another stars in jizz flicks, this does not meet any definition of hypocrisy.

    Saving Private Ryan was on TV, so it's difficult to sustain your argument that you can't show it on TV. Further, despite concerns from some stations, the FCC issued a preemptive ruling stating that there would be no fines for showing the movie uncut.

    As for Janet Jackson, even the Ameriphobic Guardian cited a poll in which on 17% of Americans were "very concerned" about the Jackson incident -- the same percentage of people who voted for Le Pen in France. Neither is a sign of the impending apocalypse.

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