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College Libraries Without Books

Groo writes to tell us CBS News is reporting that books are a thing of the past at a University of Texas library this fall. The University will be converting the library to a 'social gathering place more akin to a coffeehouse.' This push is done in response to the increasing use of online research as a part of undergraduate studies. According to the article the missing books will be replaced by "colorful overstuffed chairs for lounging, barstools for people watching, and booths for group work. In addition to almost 250 desktop computers, there will be 75 laptops available for checkout, wireless Internet access, computer labs, software suites, a multimedia studio, a computer help desk and repair shop, and a cafe."

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  1. bad move. by rkohutek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    WOW, all I can say is that it's a shame ... there is nothing like books when it comes to learning; it's not easy to highlight, markup and take notes on a public computer or a loaned out laptop.

    For shame, UT - a bad start onto a dangerous slippery slope.

    1. Re:bad move. by nigham · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree completely. What I can't understand is why these facilities have to come at the expense of printed books. You can have all of the computers, lounges, etc. without throwing out the books which remain one of the best methods for intense focused study. How long can you study on your wirelessly enabled computer without checking to see if there's been an update at /.?

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    2. Re:bad move. by UndyingShadow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My library gets upset when I highlight, markup, and take notes in their books.

    3. Re:bad move. by gowen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're not discarding the books. They're moving them to other buildings in the library system. You can still get hold of them, if you want to.

      Sounds like a minor restructuring of the library system blown out of all proportion because one building that formerly held books doesn't any more.

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    4. Re:bad move. by venicebeach · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hear you, but on the other hand do we expect these facilities to stay the same forever? I wouldn't really make sense for the technology of information storage and distribution to just end with the building-full-of-books library.

      These libraries are part of an evolution - think back to card catalogues, shelves full of scrolls perhaps before that - written language itself is not so old in the scope of human history. .. is the paper book or journal really the ultimate solution in this evolution?

      For scientific research I find the online resources to be a tremendous improvement. If I read a paper and want to find referenced article I can click a link and have it immediately - rather than climbing three floors in the stacks. I can go through a lot more information, sorting and sifting through the relevant items much more effectively online compared with doing it on foot in the library... I still do love the smell of all those books though...

    5. Re:bad move. by Funksaw · · Score: 5, Informative

      They aren't throwing out a single book.

      The University of Texas "Undergraduate Library" has an interesting history - basically, the library was developed to allow undergraduates to browse stacks - before then, only graduates could do so - undergraduates had to use the card catalog to find exactly the book they wanted and give it to the librarian.

      This was in the 1950s-1960s.

      But since then, almost every library is open to every student - making an "undergraduate library" a bit of a redundancy. Already, the "Undergraduate Library" was not the main library on campus - that honor went to the Perry-Castaneda Library a blocks south. (It's a Biiiig campus)

      That's where all 90,000 books will go.

      It's actually a better deal - instead of looking in the directory at the PCL and finding out that the book you want is at the OTHER library (something that's happened quite a bit to me!) the books will be in one place. Already the "Undergraduate Library" - or as it's now known, the Flawn Academic Center, was used primarily as study-group area (because it had a big lobby) the housing of the campus computer store, and one of the largest computer labs on campus.

      So, to recap: No books will be thrown out, they'll be put where they ought to be - with the other books, in the other, main library on campus. This is a win-win.

  2. Online research is good and all... by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but sometimes you find that the original source for some material is in a text published thirty (or sixty, or even more) years ago that simply cannot be found online. While you may be able to hit the online journals for current research, there's no substitute for citing the fundamentals, and you can't honestly cite a work without even taking a moment to skim through it first.

    So, until a university scans all of its book collection for online perusal, this is a step in the wrong direction.

  3. Much ado about (practically) NOTHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The actual press release from UT:
    http://www.lib.utexas.edu/about/news/fac.html

    Even though the undergraduate library apparently had 90,000 volumes there, NO ONE I KNOW used it as an actual-book library. Practically all the useful real books are at the main campus library (Perry-Castaneda), not the UGL. First floor of the UGL had magazines. Second floor had a pretty large and useful computer lab. Third floor had mostly media for checkout (CDs, DVDs, etc.). There were some shelves of books there, but very, VERY rarely did I ever need one of them. The fourth floor was cordoned off and had some art pieces in storage that would go to the Ransom Center elsewhere on campus.

    It makes a lot of sense to move those few volumes that were actually at the UGL to the other libraries. This creates a lot more room at the UGL/FAC for study areas, which were pretty lacking.

    So, while the blaring headlines make it sound like a big deal, from the point-of-view of a UT student (going on five years now and counting, woo hoo), this isn't that big of a deal.

  4. Misleading Headline. . . and article by Spasemunki · · Score: 5, Informative

    What they are talking about is not removing the books from the UT library system. What they are talking about is, basically, converting a single undergraduate library into a student center, because undergrad libraries are no longer necesary in most places.

    See, back in the Bad Old Days, undergrads were sort of like roaches. You wanted them out of sight, and you certainly didn't want them anywhere important. So they weren't permitted in the stacks at university libraries. Instead, you filled out a form and gave it to a librarian, and they brought you the book you requested. Fill out the form wrong and get the wrong book? Fill out another form. All this to prevent those scalliwag undergrads from mussing the stacks.

    In the 50's, Harvard had what was (at the time) a revolutionary idea: don't just keep undergrads out of the stacks- quarantine them! They built Lamont library, the nations first undergraduate library. The shelves were filled with the sort of intro-level books on topics that undergrads were likely to research for their classes. There was a recreational reading collection, and rooms for group study. The undergrads got to browse the books and had a place to gather. The grad school and departmental libraries didn't have to interact with undergrads. Everyone was happy.

    Since those heady days, things have changed a bit. Many university systems have replaced cantankerous old librarians and card catalogues with computer-indexed search systems, and English majors employed part-time to damage the bar code scanner. Many schools have open stacks now, and have opened all their libraries to undergraduates. Furthermore, the growth of collections means that more and more a dedicated undergraduate library can't house all the books that an undergrad might need. Now you have your collection divided between the grab-bag of books in the undergrad collection, the in-depth books in the departmental or grad school collection, and the overflow books available by request from the warehouse featured in "Raiders of the Lost Arc".

    In such a situation, some schools (apparently such as UT) have found that the undergrad library is more of a bother than a help as a library. Undergrads still go there to study, but increasingly the books that they want are in other parts of the library system; for books that might be useful to both undergraduates and grad students and faculty, you either have to duplicate efforts or force grads and faculty to wander over to the undergrad library. So there's a logical solution: convert the undergrad library to what it really is- a student center for undergrads, oriented somewhat around studying and writing papers- and move the books back into the general library system, which everyone is already using anyway.

    This has little or nothing to do with "taking the books out of libraries" as near as I can tell. UT will still have its giant collection of real books that you can check out and read when the power goes out, or on a plane for 12 hours, or in the bathroom without your eyes bleeding and falling out of your head. They will continue to buy new books as they are published, and maintain the old collection. No need to push the bibliophile panic button just yet.

  5. The books are being moved. Not replaced. by sammaverick · · Score: 5, Informative
    As a student that is attending the University of Texas, I have to clarify that the books in the Undergraduate Library (UGL) are not being "replaced" , they are being moved to the other libraries on campus, which contain most of the books already. The Undergrad library in the past has been more of a place where students went to study, used computers in the computer lab, and read periodicals.

    Moving the books to other libraries and dedicating the space to student gatherings/ studies is not that bad of a thing. Considering that there seems to be a need of group study areas, this might help with that.

    We already have computer labs, laptops for check out, and wifi in there. So really, the main addition are the colorful chairs.

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  6. Re:Try telling us why by the_xaqster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So how many people here find something interesting on the web, then print it out to read it if it is more than a few pages?

    How many of these students will print out reams of paper that they would not have done if they had the book infront of them?

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  7. Re:Why by OrangeSpyderMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    I like my books, I like hiding and having fun in the isles , don't take away my fun plllease.

    You should try the aisle with the dictionaries in - it's a blast :-)

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  8. Re:Try telling us why by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's easier to rewrite history when there are no books. It all happened just like in the Hollywood movies, right?

    Man, and you thought Americans were undereducated and brainwashed before, wait till this takes off!

    And it's starting in Texas, how poetic.

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