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Mom, and Now Judge, Stand Up to RIAA

Nom du Keyboard writes "First there was the mother, Patricia Santangelo, who has refused to roll-over to RIAA demands to pay their extortion fee because they claim to have identified her IP address as involved in Kazaa file sharing. Now Judge McMahon doesn't seem to be letting the RIAA have it all their way either in this case. Godwin's Law summarizes the rebuke of Judge McMahon to the RIAA lawyer now that a court case has been filed. A transcript of the entire court appearance is also available."

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  1. Full Blog Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Runaround Suits
    I've always said that the Recording Industry Association of America and its member companies are perfectly within their rights to sue those they think are infringing on music copyrights through peer-to-peer file-trading of songs. At the same time, it seems obvious that the RIAA should pick the lawsuits prudently, based on solid evidence, so that when the cases are publicized it will be clear that the defendants deserved what they got.
    That doesn't seem to be what's happening, however. Instead, the RIAA notifies potential defendants that they are subject to a lawsuit that may result in hundreds of thousands of dollars of liability, and then gives them the option of settling the claim for only a few thousand dollars. It ought to be needless to say this, but sometimes an innocent defendant might still opt to take the settlement, because the risk of going to court and losing is so great.
    Occasionally, however, you find a defendant who is troubled enough that he or she is willing to stand up to RIAA regardless of the risk. That seems to be the case with Patricia Santangelo. I urge you to read the transcript of Ms. Santangelo's court appearance here. It is fun to read, and it has made me an instant admirer of Judge McMahon, who refused to be a mere conduit steering Ms. Santangelo to the RIAA's "conference center" (which should properly be called a "surrender center"):
    MR. MASCHIO: No, all I was suggesting, your Honor, is that, if she doesn't come with an attorney, that the more direct way of doing this -- and this is just to facilitate things -- is to deal directly with the conference center.
    THE COURT: Not once you've filed an action in my court.
    MR. MASCHIO: Okay.
    THE COURT: You file an action in my court, your conference center is out of it. They have nothing to do with anything.
    MR. MASCHIO: Okay. I'll give her my card.
    THE COURT: If you are here, you are here as an officer of the court. You're taking up my time and cluttering up my calendar, so you will do it in the context of the Court. Maybe it will be with a magistrate judge, but you will be representing your client, not some conference center. And if your people want things to be done through the conference center, tell them not to bring lawsuits.

  2. Something to point out... by guaigean · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think it's important to point out from the transcript that the mother blames Kazaa for this happening.

    MS. SANTANGELO: Okay.I think my biggest issue is, honestly, not with the record company as much as it is with this company called Kazaa that allowed them to do this in the first place. I really can't believe it. And I just, obviously, in the last week, started studying about it, you know. I've never really looked into it before, but --
    THE COURT: Yes, that, I can well understand.
    MS. SANTANGELO: -- that it could even be allowed to do in the first place. It's just mind-boggling.

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  3. Re:Judge Colleen McMahon, nominated by... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
  4. Another Blog Link by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Informative
    There's more information at http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/

    Apparently she's gotten herself a lawyer

    Beldock Levine & Hoffman LLP
    99 Park Avenue, 16th Floor
    New York, NY 10016
    Just from the address I'm assuming that they're doing this Pro Bono for her

    I checked out their website and found this gem

    In addition to their representation of commercial and corporate clients, multinational organizations and creative artists, the firm's lawyers are encouraged to devote a substantial portion of their time to representing individuals subjected to governmental abuse, discrimination and other infringements upon constitutional or statutory rights.
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  5. Re:Second Conference July 8? by interiot · · Score: 5, Informative
  6. Check the litigation papers by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative
    The case isn't THAT obviously open-and-shut, is it?

    Actually, it almost looks like it is. The music industry guys seem to have dropped the ball big time with this one.

    A little digging turns up a load of links to the various litigation documents, courtesy of defence lawyer Ray Beckerman's blog. If you read the defence's revised reply memorandum of law, they make a convincing (to me as a non-lawyer) argument for what appear to be two open-and-shut claims, which basically mean the plaintiffs have failed to make a case for the defendant to answer. If the court accepts that argument, presumably any of the the other stuff doesn't matter, because the music industry didn't file it at the appropriate time and in the appropriate way.

    Interestingly, just before the conclusion, that defence memorandum reads

    The Court should therefore dismiss the Complaint with prejudice for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. See Cuoco v. Moritsugu, 222 F.3d 99, 112 (2d Cir. 2000) (dismissing without leave to replead because nothing in the complaint "suggests that the plaintiff has a claim that she has inadequately or inartfully pleaded and that she should therefore be given a chance to reframe").

    That sounds to me like not only are they trying to get this initial case dismissed, but also they're trying to block any attempt to bring any directly related case in future. I don't know how the appeal rules work if the court finds for the defence in this case, but given the defence's argument and the judge's apparent contempt for actions that don't give the defendant a fair chance to defend herself, it sounds as though this one's going to stop as dead as any music industry case ever can.

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  7. Not Pro Bono by geekoid · · Score: 3, Informative

    but at a personal rate, which is half his normal rate.
    He expects the courts to order the RIAA to pay the bill wheh they loose;which is not uncommon.

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  8. Re:What is the Value of an IP address? by Thing+1 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Your landlady violated federal law, unless she had prior instructions in writing specifying that she could open your mail.

    All her actions after that point are also actionable on your part. But, it sounds like you don't care to, since you're now in good circumstances. Luck be with you!

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  9. Re:Finally..... by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Informative
    In Soviet Russia, first you ignore them. Then you laugh at them. Then they fight you. Then they win anyway

    ... Then they throw you in prison for 40 years. Than communism collapses and you starve to death on the streets.

    Meanwhile, there is a Comprehensive collection of links on this case (Elektra v. Santangelo). Tells you much more than in the summary link, including her lawyer's rebuttals of the RIAA's claims.

  10. Re:Quakity banter in TFA... by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Informative
    It's like a drama... so what happened after the sounding off?

    See her lawyer's site, which has their responses. It looks like the evidence is so thin it will be thrown out.

  11. Re:I too... by MacDork · · Score: 3, Informative
    I am so sick of this argument, it makes me see red.

    What part of my argument specifically is it that makes you 'see red'?

    Give me just ONE example of where COPYRIGHT (NOT trademarks, and NOT patents) prevents innovation. Just one. In fact, I'll settle for a conceptual model. You see, I've heard this argument again and again, and I've never seen anybody actually manage to justify that statement about copyright stifling innovation.

    You must be new here. I'll be happy to provide more than one. Music? Remixing has been affected. Internet radio has certainly been stifled by copyright law too. Of course, you can't mention copyright infringement without mentioning P2P. Here, the law puts Bram Cohen's BitTorrent in possible legal jeopardy because of what he said, not how his software works. That's tantamount to thought crime. Why is there no iTunes-like software for my DVD collection? Probably because circumventing CSS, or distributing software that does the same, is a felony in the US. Being an author, you'll find this interesting: Encryption researchers are afraid to publish their findings thanks to copyright law.

    But it's not just music, software, movies, and books being affected, it's everything. A frickin' universal garage door opener manufacture got hit with a DMCA lawsuit. If you don't have bags of money sitting around, one lawsuit, regardless of whether or not you are victorious, can put you out of business. I could go on, but I think I've more than adequately met your requirements. Copyright in the USA has gotten way out of hand and is damaging innovation and invention in practically every industry.

    In fact, it's COPYRIGHT that protects the open source movement from being downright raped by corporations like Microsoft!

    I assume you are referring to the GPL. You do realize that the GPL was designed to be the anti-copyright, right? Allow me to quote the pertinent part:

    The GPL, on the other hand, subtracts from copyright rather than adding to it. The license doesn't have to be complicated, because we try to control users as little as possible. Copyright grants publishers power to forbid users to exercise rights to copy, modify, and distribute that we believe all users should have; the GPL thus relaxes almost all the restrictions of the copyright system. The only thing we absolutely require is that anyone distributing GPL'd works or works made from GPL'd works distribute in turn under GPL. That condition is a very minor restriction, from the copyright point of view. Much more restrictive licenses are routinely held enforceable: every license involved in every single copyright lawsuit is more restrictive than the GPL.

    In other words, if it weren't for copyright, there would be no need for the GPL. It exists because of copyright.