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No More Apple Mysteries Part Two
UltimaGuy writes "Anadtech has an article up comparing the IBM G5 with Intel's CPU. This gives us insight on the strength and weakness of Mac OS X. It also has some thoughts of what they perceive to be OS X's Achilles Heel." From the article: "That is what we'll be doing in this article: we will shed more light on the whole Apple versus x86 PC, IBM G5 versus Intel CPU discussion by showing you what the G5 is capable of when running Linux. This gives us insight on the strength and weakness of Mac OS X, as we compare Linux and Mac OS X on the same machine. The article won't answer all the questions that the first one had unintentionally created. As we told you in the previous article, Apple pointed out that Oracle and Sybase should fare better than MySQL on the Xserve platform. We will postpone the more in-depth database testing (including Oracle) to a later point in time, when we can test the new Apple Intel platform." This is the sequel to another article, reported on in June.
The first thing jumps to mind is a typical fanboy response: "The Mac is a desktop computer. If it runs MySQL good enough for a prototyping environment, that's fine. Where else can you get a great desktop environment that just works, along with a built-in Unix-like OS?"
But I should step back from that statement. It shouldn't be that way. We should have a truly world-class server combined with our desktop experience. I should be able to go from prototyping my web apps right to production, without a bunch of migration or guesstimation.
I really like Mac OS X, but I'm not above recognizing if it's flawed in certain aspects. Any word on whether Mac OS X Server performs these types of operations better than the client? That would be interesting - somewhat troubling, but interesting (and perhaps not even that troubling.)
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It's not a bug.
It's just that unlike pretty much everything else out there Apple GUARENTEE that fsync won't return until the drive has actually written the data to disk, not just to its cache. To do this they require specific drive firmware from their vendors. In their docs they point out exactly how to stop this, it's just that mysql obviously made the decision that data integrity is more valuable then speed.
(Oh, and OS X's task switcher sucks)
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It's not a bug.
:-/
I was referring to the bug in MySQL, not the Mac. The Mac's behavior is correct. That's why PostgreSQL works fine. MySQL relied on Linux-specific behavior, and got burned.
In their docs they point out exactly how to stop this, it's just that mysql obviously made the decision that data integrity is more valuable then speed.
Just be glad that we get secure data out of MySQL at all. Last time I tried to install MySQL on my Mac, there were big warning signs all over the place saying, "The Mac is buggy, your data is not safe! Run away, run away!" Of course, then an Apple guy stepped up and pointed out the fact that fsync worked exactly as it should, and that MySQL needed to fix their code. They've changed the code for better data security, but AFAIK they still haven't optimized for "correct" data integrity behavior.
Oh, and OS X's task switcher sucks
Amen. Drives me nuts, too, because the FreeBSD switcher really wasn't that bad. Here's hoping that Apple gets that fixed one of these days.
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Apple didn't choose AMD for a couple big reason. One of them was given by Steve Jobs when he announced the transition - Intel's roadmap offers better performance per watt of power than AMD or IBM can. Because laptops are taking a greater marketshare than desktops, it only makes sense for Apple to have a portable chip that produces the most bang for the least amount of power.
The other issue is fab capacity. AMD doesn't have the capacity that Intel does. Apple got burned more than once by a lack of chips coming from Freescale/IBMs fabs. They do not want to go through that again, and AMD has trouble delivering large volumes of their top-of-the-line processors. They've gotten better, but Apple doesn't want to be held back by a lack of fab capacity.
I use AMD for Windows and Linux, but Apple's business plan makes Intel the best fit for their future directions.
iSorry... =(
Given that the Mac community are more concerned over Photoshop than databases its not really suprising that they haven't concentrated massively on transactionally written files (lots of small writes) and may have chosen to focus on optimizing the writing of big files and the maths and graphics processing that goes with graphics work.
More and more I consider the "Mac users are primarily photoshop users" to be somewhat of a strawman. I work at a Java shop, and many of our programmers, myself included, use Macs. So does our change management guy and much of netops. Yes, the graphics designers use Macs, but Macs are used throughout the company by many people for different reasons.
Blah blah blah, benchmarks are nice, but here's the real scoop:
I have a dual 2ghz PowerMac G5, a 3.4ghz Dell Opitplex and a 3.6ghz Developer Transition Kit. I use my G5 as my main computer at home and my Dell and DTK as my main machine at work.
The DTK smokes my dual 2ghz badly, and runs PPC apps in Rosetta at seemingly only slightly slower speeds than my G5. Graphics functions on the DTK smoke my dual G5 with the high-end (at the time) NVidia card it came with. Apps load much faster, Safari is much faster, everything I use is much faster.
The DTK's UI responsiveness is quicker than my Dell 3.4ghz running Win2003 with all hardware accel turned on. OS X has always been more sluggish for me than Windows, but I had to chuckle when I logged into my Dell after using the DTK for a week exclusively and noticing the Dell UI responsiveness slightly lagging.
It's also important to note that the NeXT ABI is probably much more suited to x86 than PPC.
This is a great thing for Apple, and their Intel-based machines are going to impress and wow people.
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