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Blu-Ray To Punish Users for Modifying Hardware

datemenatalie writes "As reported on Engadget, consumers should expect punishment for tinkering with their Blu-ray players, as many have done with current DVD players, for instance to remove regional coding. The new, Internet-connected and secure players will report any "hack" and the device can be disabled remotely. As the article asks, "Are they talking about PVP-OPM techniques and rejected HDMI keys, or something else far more sinister? Because apparently "A hacked player is any player that is doing something it's not supposed to do," which open to a pretty fair amount of interpretation--most of which egregious.""

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  1. So.... by TJ_Phazerhacki · · Score: 5, Interesting
    What happens when I spoof the server the player is reporting to, and it never actually reports home?

    Verification systems that require any work on the consumer end will never work 100%. It's just too easy to get around.

    And why am I buying the assinine secured player instead of the grey market Chinese one, exactly?

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  2. Regional Coding by MrSteveSD · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think that the concept of Regional Coding is largely dead now anyway since they tend to release everything at the same time to avoid piracy. Regional Coding was really a violation of WTO rules anyway.

    I don't like the idea of hardware that reports back to base. If we go in that direction our TVs will report us when we channel flip to avoid commercials.

    YOUR TV HAS BEEN DISABLED. SKIPPING COMMERCIALS IS THEFT!

  3. Re:Wait a moment... by Reziac · · Score: 5, Interesting
    There are two comments over on the linked article that struck me as extra-insightful:

    #37:

    This would be the first case I can think of in which an electronics company actually destroyed somebody else's physical property for exercising their rights as a property owner.

    It's true that Sony still retains the copyrights to the software inside the machine, but you're not stealing that software by hacking the machine, just replacing it. It's no different than uninstalling Windows from your PC and installing Linux instead - should Microsoft be able to remotely destroy your PC in such a case?

    #7:

    I guess the concept of ownership is so last century..... Now, instead of owning the equipment that we purchaced from a company, we get to belong to the company that we purchaced the equipment from! YAY! Who needs the CIA anymore when we've got Sony and Toshiba spying on us to make sure we do not violate Copyright laws!

    Whats next? If a someone who has children orders an adult Pay Per View before 11 PM your set top box will notify child services that you may be abusing you children? You may say no way but it could happen the way things are going!

    Between 'em, these two posters say it all.

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  4. Of all the stupid things by FerretFrottage · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Heck, if something in my house that needs to be plugged in doesn't have a missing screw, then I automatically know it's broken.....I have to get inside and give it "more power". My wife insists that certain "toys" of hers are off-limits, but little does she know what 9 volts can do compared to 1.5.

    If I open something up and tinker with it, then fine, I void the warranty. But for companies to think they have the right to monitor what we do with their products to the point that they can deploy countermeasures just has to be stopped.

    I think it's time for www.{stop|avoid|donotbuy|FU}blu-ray.com sites to start popping up. As previous posted stated, hopefully this will go the way of divx (the old crippled DVD players divx that is).

    Now of course this would have been a nice way to kill off the floppy drive...have it phone home when it detects user-modified DSHD.

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  5. Re:I'm sorry dave by cpu_fusion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why did the parent post get moderated as a troll? Someone with modpoints, please undo that injustice.

    Granted, the parent post is making a joke, and whether you think it's funny or not, it speaks to the fact that once we relinquish control of our hardware to a 3rd party, there's a precident for things this silly.

    If your Blu-Ray player can tell on you and disable itself because you've violated some sort of EULA, that same sort of mechanism could enable governments to turn off your hardware when they decide your doing something with it they don't think is kosher.

    "Gosh honey, I shouldn't have tried to play that Fahrenheit 9/11 Blu-Ray disk. GD Patriot Act 3."

  6. Re:Ahhh...more Entertainment industry fun by kfg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the reason's I pick at Microsoft is because they aren't developing DRM to protect their own content so much as they are striving to expand their business to get a piece of every entertainment industry transaction.

    KFG

  7. Re:Wait a moment... by mcc · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Can someone explaine to me why its not illegal for a company to punish a consumer for tinkering with a product that that consumer had purchased?

    Because the companies are the ones who buy the laws, not the consumers.

    This is why it is, in fact, illegal for the consumer to tinker with the product that that consumer has purchased. (So long as you aren't a believer in that whole "a legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law" thing.)

    The companies can do things like write a law which completely alters the fundamental balance of copyright law, and pass it directly to Jesse Helms who drops it into congress where it passes unanimously on a voice vote because not one single member of congress has read it. The consumers... well, maybe if they write enough letters and make enough noise for enough months they can convince a congressman to give a speech in their favor, which will be written into the congressional record and then forgotten about. If the same group makes enough noise for over a decade maybe a law on the subject they've been agitating about will be put up for debate, though God knows what it will look like by the time it gets through committee.

    I mean, okay, in theory the consumers are the ones 'buying' the laws, because the consumers are the ones who vote. However
    1. the consumers by and large don't vote
    2. the ones that do vote don't seem particularly interested in informing themselves about the actions of their elected representatives, or holding them accountable for those actions-- of course at some point this might have something to do with the fact that whether they are considered to be "left" or "right", all the news sources the average consumer finds out about the actions of their government from have connections to the large media companies that "DRM" is being invented for the benefit of
    3. the "consumers" have been so busy bickering about abortion for the last 15 years that there's pretty much no room left in the national debate for trivialities like running the government