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Yahoo Helps Jail Chinese Writer
An anonymous reader writes "Internet giant Yahoo has been accused of supplying information to China which led to the jailing of journalist Shi Tao for "divulging state secrets". "
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Was also poster earlier on Reporters sans Frontiere
Mike
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark#Quotat ions_and_speech
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Note the portion that begins: "For speech within speech"
No, I'm referring to the human rights violations under the current regime: http://www.derechos.org/human-rights/nasia/china/ and you really shouldn't presume what I thought in the first place and then extrapolate from there and then decide you don't like what you come up with. You're an idiot
An easier link is thru the International Herald Tribune article of the same story (registration not required for this one).
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To be fair, Google omits certain sites for Chinese IP addresses because ordinary Internet users in China can't access them without going through some sort of anonymous proxy. They aren't reinforcing China's restrictions, they are just trying to make their own site useable by ordinary people in China. Not everyone in China is smart enough to use anonymous proxies and the like to get around the Great Firewall of China.
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Not so mush that Yahoo HAD them, as much as Yahoo gave the chinese Government access to the Email accounts that Had them.
I guess reading the first paragraph of the article is too much work, before launching bold YELLING comment.
1) China has an army of around 200 million along with nukes.
2) It would trigger a world war.
3) It is safe to extrapolate you were talking about a US invasion (what the hell is wrong with non-US citizens? that is crazy!)
Here is what the US State Department has to say about China's MODERN record:
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27768.h
Oh and many ppl will be interested in a little ditty about the USA FROM CHINA:
http://english.people.com.cn/200503/03/eng2005030
If you would like an independent assessment, well... independent human rights monitoring organizations did not exist in China in 2002, so all relevant information after 1989, should be considered questionable/incomplete, at best. Good luck getting anything impartial regarding the last couple years. The great firewall has been particularly effective; no thanks to Yahoo.
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I had to assume you were referring to Mao because the current Chinese regime has not murdered thousands of its own citizens, as the Iraqi regime did.
Depends on how narrowly you define murder, but the current Chinese regime has taken decisions that have killed hundreds of thousands. The flooding caused by ill advised dam projects, lack of even basic safety standards in major industries (particularily mining) and the low standard of healthcare despite a vast budget for military expenditure are examples of that.
As for not killing dissenters, they are sometimes killed, but the closed trials make it difficult to assess what they are charged with and how convincing the evidence is. Other dissenters are sent to labour camps, and some suffer the old Stalinist favourite of incarceration in mental hospitals - because you'd have to be mad to not want to live under a benevelent Communist party wouldn't you?
Free speech is NEVER just given to anyone. It is earned/won/acquired from those in power, and remains in effect until those in power deem it time to set it aside.
Not to mention that "free speech" was never (as far as I know) "given" to anyone in China, how can they be undermining it?
What people don't seem to realize is that Yahoo was simply obeying the LAW of the country they are doing business in. ASsurely as they would be if they turned over all of your email when the FBI comes knocking (even without a warrant).
Here we go again. Please know that communism and authoritarian government are not the same!
"There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people."--Howard Zinn
Really? The Chinese government did none of those things? I must have missed the apologists meeting when that position was put forward. May I suggest you read this http://hrw.org/wr2k3/asia4.html ? This is what is coming out of the country, from the people on the ground the situation is far, far worse. People are being murdered for having views the government don't like, and voters who vote for anyone other than the official party representative for local positions are also facing similar attacks on their liberty.
and neither would:
It is better to break the law, than to enact a bad one.
--- blackironprison, where ignorance is bliss....
"In Communist China, one of the worst effects is that if you actually have some money, enough to get by well enough, you have to pretend you are a beggar. You can't walk around with modern clothing and a nice wristwatch."
When was the last time you were in China? 1800s? I've been to Beijing, Xian and Chengde (which is a typical country town). While the last certainly looked like a poor city I found everyone I met very friendly and socialble.
Can't wear a nice wristwatch? What hell are you talking about? China has issues no where close to what your coming out with.
I suggest you go visit the country. Btw to enter the US I have to give fingerprints, eye scan and detail where I am going in your country as well as having to queue for hours to get a visa (interview required). To visit china just applied for a visa by post.
>The rights regarding freedom of speech that you are promoting are American law. You can argue all you want that they are universal human rights, but they're not. They're part of American culture and the American legal system
Basic human rights are inherent to every human being; we all have them. The governments and laws of some countries such as the US and EU respect our rights and mostly don't infringe upon them. The governments and laws of other countries such as China actively infringe and abuse our rights.
In other words the laws of a country and the actions of its government do not in any way affect the fact that we have basic rights as humans; they just determine how good or bad the laws and governments are.
never , tortured eh?
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...but I'm sure this is just a coincidence. (From a Yahoo! press release, mysteriously dated August 11th, 2005.)
By the way, here is the original press release from Reporters Without Borders, since I didn't see it linked anywhere else.