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The End of PalmOS?

SLT writes "According to Engadget, PalmSource was purchased by Access, a Japanese cell phone software company known for their NetFront browser. What does this mean for the future of Palm?" More coverage at LinuxDevices and Reuters. From the Reuters article: "Japanese software developer Access Co. said on Friday it would make U.S. software developer PalmSource Inc. wholly owned in a 34.4 billion yen ($311.3 million) cash deal to strengthen its development of software for handheld devices. Access will pay cash to shareholders of PalmSource, which will be later absorbed by Access' U.S. unit Apollo Merger Sub Inc., Access said in a statement."

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  1. Th End of PalmOS? by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hardly. It'll just be in more devices. And the Palm handheld will just morf. OTOH, I think we may see $20 organizers or cheaper given away with other products. Kind of the way MP3 players are being given away these days.

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    1. Re:Th End of PalmOS? by hcdejong · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If they're going to focus development on PalmOS-for-mobile-phones, they may very well end up with an OS that isn't well-suited for palmtops.

      No more HWR, for example, and no user-accessible expansion (because the phone company will insist you move all data in and out of the device via their network instead of USB/a memory stick, so they can keep on making you pay through the nose).

    2. Re:Th End of PalmOS? by Monkelectric · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Do you own a palm device?

      I have had a palm since the *ORIGINAL* US Robotics Pilot 1000. Palm OS has outlived its usefullness. My current device is a treo 650, which I *LOVE* except that it locks up CONSTANTLY. And all the little OS mod programs you have to run to actually make the thing usefull, conflict with each other and act weird.

      Second of all, the programming model is HORRIBLE. Developers are still writing code for the dragonball processor and expected to write "Armlets" which are little snipets of code that run directly on the ARM processor bypassing the 68k emulation stuff.

      Palm OS needs to die and be replaced by an OS with memory protection and a fairly customizable OS. Palm OS was designed to run on 8mhz processors, and it did that quite nicely, but its time has ocme and gone.

      The only reason palm hasn't died completely is that the windows devices aren't any better (I've owned a few of those as well).

      We're in the home stretch in the year 2005 here, I don't have my flying car, i don't have my rocket backpack, and my robot maid has gone missing. But I think its not too much to ask for a PDA that doesn't eat shit all the time and has a usable interface.

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  2. the end is neigh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    it's just my .02, but...

    The end may be a bit of hyperbole, although PalmSource has made some historical blunders which contributed to its demise (and I love thier devices, and have had them since the very beginning):

    1.) Basically did not update the core OS between 1997 and 2004. Version 5.x is bascially 3.x with color and a network stack shimmed in. A lot changed over those seven years, and the OS did not evolve as well as it could have. They rested on thier laurels, much like Apple did during the Scully era at Apple, releasing new models every 8 months but not really improving the core operation.

    2.) They released the big new version (6.0.) in late 2003, and no devices were ever released with it. This was a huge mistake, and points to poor partnerships (ISV and others) and planning. No other company in history has released an PDA OS that was never implemented on a retail device.

    3.) They released version 6.1 late last year, and again, nearly a year later, there are no devices running it. Again, big problem.

    Too bad the mutual admiration society that exists in Palm senior mangement was blind to their basic business folly.

    1. Re:the end is neigh... by NuShrike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What happened recently is that PalmSource owned the PALM brand and sold it 'back' to PalmOne, so it can rename itself Palm again. The original Palm had split into two companies with one focusing on the hardware, and the other focusing on the OS with the ability to sell PalmOS to anybody, respectively.

      Some have said this was one expensive buyback of a name originally owned, but I'm guessing it was to throw money at PalmSource where the stock has been eroding to nothing since the split.

      So after still two companies of Palm (aka PalmOne formerly known as Palm) and PalmSource, and now only just Palm except they don't own their OS anymore.

      Hindsight now I think the split was extremely pointless and expensive, and not keeping the original founders around to keep the innovation up even more stupid.

      Considering Access's history of 'great' changes and innovation, I have even less confidence they will be able to do anything with the OS except embed their browser more deeply and try to sell that unchanged for a few years.

  3. Re:Witty 3com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Without Palm, the handheld-market would be much better off.

    Compare a Palm to a Sharp Zaurus, and you will be disgusted to even touch the Palm again.

  4. Re:According to the Trolls by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 4, Interesting
  5. Well, now they own BeOS... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...how much do they want for it? I'm sure that a lot of people would be willing to pay for BeOS to be open sourced. I would pay $200 for the BeOS code to be released under a BSD license. How many more people do they need to pay the same amount before it becomes worth their while, financially speaking? I doubt they actually wanted BeOS when they bought PalmSource, after all.

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  6. Here you go by Tune · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now here is something Slashcode can help with. From the UnZonk-HOWTO:

    From /. main page click "Preferences" (top left), then click the "Homepage" tab. You'll end up somewehere like here. At right hand side you see a list of authors. Uncheck the bottom one (called "Zonk"). Then scroll down and press "Save".

    That's it: you've fired Zonk from your personal /. page!

    Glad to have been of assistance.

  7. Maybe Linux? by gregarican · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had read somewhere that the PalmOS might move to a Linux base. That would be great since I'm currently working on some Linux-based Qt GUI projects that run on the Sharp Zaurus. If I could port these over to a Tungsten so much the better for getting my sales force to adopt it!

  8. dang. by kisrael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Palm had such a nice OS. It was such a friendly, crisp, easy interface...so much better than the attempts to scale shoehorn in the Windows desktop that WinCE was pursuing.

    I still love my Sony Clie...320x320 screen, good battery life, nice UI. (On the other hand...the 4k memo limit and even smaller clipboard ALWAYS seemed gratuitous to me.)

    Personally I thought the writing was on the wall once they had to switch to Graffiti 2...I've only dabbled with it, but for people accustomed to Graffiti (an idea it took me a while to warm to) it's jarring. And tht Xerox "unistrokes patent" lawsuit was SUCH CRAP...Graffiti is so much better than those stupid squiggles that didn't even look like any human alphabet.

    Feh. Hopefully when its time to upgrade I can find some kind of Palm work alike. And hopefully whatever I switch to can import Palm data; I love that I have my schedule going back to 1997 riding around on my hip, not to mention assorted memos, contacts, and todos...

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  9. Re:How does this kill PalmOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    BeOS was bought for chump change, Silicon Valley-wise. $11M, IIRC, after how many hundreds of millions were invested in it? Golden parachute for Gasse, and that's about it.

  10. Re:Who is Access? by hkmwbz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Access have later struggled to catch up with the likes of Opera in actually supporting normal web pages. Creating a subset of the internet on the internet itself seems silly, and indeed, it turned out that people wanted to access real sites, not just cHTML or WAP sites.

    I guess they decided to give up fighting with outdated technology against Opera, and instead went to diversify their software offerings to survive the onslaught of better mobile browsers.

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  11. Palm has been dying for a long time by poopie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I maintain that Palm has never really done a good job at much of anything and that their pinnacle was the release of the Palm V.

    Microsoft's inability to compete with a mobile OS that worked well on low-spec hardware, and the WinCE hardware vendors' inability to make good portable hardware really was the factor that kept Palm alive so long.

    Palm's ability to release new versions with differerent amounts of ram or different case colors can hardly be considered as innovative.

    Palm's inabliity to bundle wireless sooner is inexcusable.

    Palm's purchase (back) of Handspring for the Treo 600 just proved they didn't have a good new product. ... and then they found out that all Treos have a shielding problem that cause them to start buzzing!

    The fact that Palm has never released a real successor to the Tungsten T|3 is painful to all longtime faithful Palm power users.

    The PalmOS6 fiasco... It must have been even worse than I could imagine because even Palm didn't want it.

    The LifeDrive. Never has a machine with a 416mhz cpu seemed so slow! Hey, let's make all I/O go through a hard drive and let's not include an effective disk cache! I'm sure people won't mind waiting 3 minutes to reset, and I'm sure our power users won't mind STARING AT A FRIGGING BLANK SCREEN FOR 40 SECONDS WHILE THEY TRY TO SWITCH APPS! It makes me feel like an idiot for having purchased your product every time I switch apps.

    Palm, I was your best advocate, and I don't know how you could have disappointed me more.

    Let's hope that someone else can succeed where you failed.

  12. Hear my tale of woe by dmccarty · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Way back in the day I used to be an independent Palm developer. I didn't do it full time or anything, but it brought in a little money here and there.

    I took some of my proceeds and decided to invest in the hand that fed me, so to speak. I bought 200 shares each of Palm (PALM) and Handspring (HAND). Shortly after I bought, Palm decided to do a reverse 20:1 split to bolster their share price and buy Handspring. My 200 Palm shares became just 10, and after they bought Handspring that left me with 15 Palm shares and a fractional share in cash, which I was paid about $10 for.

    Palm then split to PalmOne (PLSO) and PalmSource (PSRC) and my 23 PALM shares turned into 8 PLMO shares. Again, I received some fractional share payout. Today I hold exactly 8 shares of Palm, Inc (again PALM) that I won't sell because I don't want to take the $15 or $20 eTrade comission hit.

    I'm only satisfied in the fact that I knew going into this that it was a risky investment and only played with money that I didn't mind losing. If there's a moral to this story, maybe it's that Palm may yet stage a comeback, but this is not a good company to invest in.

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  13. Re:newest Treo running windows mobile.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    A coworker asked Microsoft about the rumors. Microsoft confirmed them. Whether Microsoft was telling the truth or not remains to be seen, but it's looking pretty likely. I'm not at all happy about this... I much prefer Palm OS.

  14. Re:Sad end to a Sad story - One developer's view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Posting as an AC because I've already moderated..
    I worked at Palm+PalmSource until 2004, and the parent is dead on, with one unfortunate exception:

    I believe the company has shrunk back down to a small enough size that they've attritioned off the morons acquired at the turn of the century

    Unfortunately, some of the Be, Inc. engineering team are still there. Those folks never had any experience shipping a successful product, and got bogged down building an intellectually interesting product that no one wanted. Their preoccupation with vindicating BeOS's utter failure only served to make it fail yet again (witness the number of retail sales of Palm OS 6 -- zero).

    It's a sad story that's repeated often in Silicon Valley: a bunch of really smart people working hard building the wrong things.