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International Call for Open Standards

tengu1sd writes "The New York Times is carrying a report urging nations to adopt open-information technology standards as 'a vital step to accelerate economic growth, efficiency and innovation'. Sponsored by The Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard, it also points out that 'open technology standards - the digital equivalent of a common gauge for railroad tracks - are not the same thing as open-source software. Open source is a development model for software in which code is freely shared and improved by a cooperative network of programmers'. This leaves room for companies willing to accept standards, but closes the door to companies unwilling to play nice."

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  1. The way it should be! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the first things you learn at school is to play nice together, or else you don't play at all. The sooner "big business" learns this lesson, the better!

  2. Standards just wont happen by mbelly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the 'real world' is anything like the place I work. Standards are a dream, that will never come to be, because everyone likes do do things "their way".

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    1. Re:Standards just wont happen by cyborg_zx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But standards *do* happen. There are just too many areas in life that would become totally inoperable if everyone did things differently. Like driving for example. But then having a standard doesn't necessarially mean 'everyone is uniform' - in this context it usually just means everyone can understand the interface or specification for your standard without needing the use of dowsing, divine revelation, mediums or perhaps reverse engineering to work with that interface of specification.

  3. closed standards by lanswitch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Open standards have been the driving force behind the development of the PC. The only reason for closed standards is so that somebody can make money with them.

  4. Magic vs. Science by Rob+Carr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Before science became accepted, people we would now call magicians and alchemists actually made scientific progress. Unfortunately, their secrets were closely guarded and not always passed down. What someone learned by trial and error was lost to the regular community.

    The big change that permitted science to flourish was the willingness to share information. Because the information was shared, progress was not limited to what one person could create.

    The failure to use Open Standards won't send us back to the dark ages. But it will slow progress down as each proprietary standard sets up a roadblock.

    The failure to follow standards should be punished in some way. Using basic economics isn't fast, but it will work in the long run.

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  5. Open standards and competition by ReformedExCon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The key to competing successfully in business is to offer a better value to the customer than they can get somewhere else.

    If you run a small grocery, you will typically be outpriced by the large grocery chain down the block, but can keep business by offering your customers other services that keep them coming back. If you make widgets, it's better to be either the cheapest widget provider or the widget provider with the highest quality. In a competition where price and quality are the deciding features, it's best to pick one extreme and go for it.

    So what happens with software? If everyone implements open standards, it limits the implementation to the limits of the standard. Ideally, you'd have a flexible enough standard that implementing cool ideas is no more of a break from the standard than implementing the standard verbatim. But for a company that leads the field by a large margin, it doesn't make sense to open up to standards and thus open the doors for your customers to leave the barn. Keep them locked in, and keep providing them with superior product. They will never have the need to switch to another product so long as their needs are met, and they would have a tough time switching anyway as their current data isn't easily transferrable to a new system, no matter how open that new system may be.

    I'm of the opinion that companies ought to do what they want with regards to standards. It doesn't matter what package you are using, if the one you are using satisfies your needs. Open standards hardly ever make or break a deal.

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    1. Re:Open standards and competition by discordja · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You've completely missed the point. You seem to equate product with proprietary implementation of data storage. In the perfect world, open standards are conformed to and what is *actually* sold is the interface, the method of getting to and manipulating that data. If MS could keep it's monopoly in that scenario, it would be because they actually created the best product instead of holding your data hostage, threatening that if you move away from them you'll never be able to see your files again.

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  6. This isn't about OSS by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The point is that Open STANDARDS are important - not Open Source. All this fuss over OSS is ridiculous. What should remain is the idea that open standards provide the opportunity for growth in the industry. The actual implementation of the software is much less important.

    Open standards and Open Source have nothing to do with each other. There is plenty of closed source software that supports open standards.

  7. We need clear definitions from the Media... by LexNaturalis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From TFA:

    The 33-page report is a road map for creating national policies on open technology standards, and comes at a time when several countries - and some state governments - are pursuing plans to reduce their dependence on proprietary software makers, notably Microsoft, by using more free, open-source software.
    An ignorant reader who was reading this article might assume that all open-source software was "free as in beer", whereas we all (should) know that not all open-source software falls into that niche. I would hazard a guess and say that most governments would probably be using OSS that included tech support, ergo not free as in beer. While OSS is a good thing (in my mind), I don't want everyone thinking they can get it without any cost, because then they'll be disappointed.

    Likewise, what is the definition of "standard"? From dictionary.com:

    Something, such as a practice or a product, that is widely recognized or employed, especially because of its excellence.
    Now, I know this may cause a potential flame war, but isn't it pretty clear that Microsoft (mostly) fits that bill? Obviously many will hit me with "Yeah, except for the excellence part..." and I'll concede that Microsoft Office does not always work propertly. However, it is the most widely recognized and employed office software. Does that not make it seem that Office "is" a standard? I work at a government research lab and everything we do has to be compatible with MS Office.

    Sure, everyone wants to crush Microsoft into the ground, but realistically (if I can be so bold as to actually talk realistically), does anyone think we can actually get ENOUGH people to stop using Office that *.doc files will cease to be the standard? I honestly think we're better off trying to find a way to get Microsoft to give developers the information they need to develop software based on the Microsoft standard. Oh yes, I know, that's blasphemy and my karma is now lower than Lucifer's, but if you stop and think for a moment you'll realize that it's the logical and realistic choice.

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  8. Re:A new trend? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It pleases me to see that the good intentions of open source standards are taking a more aggressive approach to defending the open source development method of software.

    "open technology standards - the digital equivalent of a common gauge for railroad tracks - are not the same thing as open-source software."

    Did you miss something here? This isn't about OSS.

  9. Re:Play nice? by gclef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If standard-compliant documents become a requirement for large purchases, it doesn't matter if the company wants to play nice or not...the only question is: do they want the sale? Customers can force the companies to play nice by making standards-compliant document formats a requirement.

  10. Your presumption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    is thinking that MS is deployed because of its' excellence.

    It is because of network effects, where a pile of crap, if everyone has it, is still of more utility than perfection only a few people have.

  11. Microsoft will beat this .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just another opportunity combine automated patching with embrace, extend, and extinguish. Microsoft will start supporting these open formats to keep their foot firmly in the door. Then they will start to poison them. People will soon be once again sending documents as (say) .doc files, because they need to get their work done. The 'open' format will seem too much of a nuisance, as it will be 'accidently' half-broken or otherwise made inferior. Similar programs won't be able to open the 'open-format' documents anyway because the standard will have been 'extended'. Microsoft will spin it as the fault of the format and competitors programs (and most managers and bureaucrats will no-doubt buy the spin .. they always do), but as long as Microsoft claims they support the open-format, then sales to government mandating openness will have the green-light.

    You can't force a company with an anti-competitive corporate culture to play nice. It just won't do it.

  12. Open source would eventually win by MarkEst1973 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Everyone has been bitching about open standards forever. It is what we need more than open source software.

    That said, open standards means open source will eventually win. As word processing formats (a la what's happen in MA) become standard, then the software will become commoditized. It's the end of MS Office's reign. OpenOffice can and will quickly implement the standard, and no one would have a reason to use MS Office anymore.

    Open standards are the death knell for MS's monopoly, and they know it. Expect MS to fight tooth and nail every step of the way.

    Once we have open standards and everyone is coding to that standard, the consume will win. The consumer will have choice and competition will make the software smaller, faster, more secure, and more plentiful.

  13. USA by OrthodonticJake · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The USA can't even accept the metric system, so I don't understand how everyone keeps expecting it to embrace all this newfangled 'open source' stuff. Open source needs to get in line.

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